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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 24-07-2011 19:56
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roturn wrote:
simundoo wrote:
cavendish 60 in mountains? lul  )
It`s PCM. Otherwise he would have absolutely no chance to win the green jersey. In reality he always finishes the Tour.
But in reality he's allways outside the time limit? |
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| roturn |
Posted on 24-07-2011 20:01
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But in PCM there is no jury. 
So better to see him in Paris in my opinion. |
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 24-07-2011 20:03
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roturn wrote:
But in PCM there is no jury.
So better to see him in Paris in my opinion.
But in real life he can't climb over a speed bump, that's what gave guys like Hushovd a shot at the jersey. |
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| Ozzy |
Posted on 24-07-2011 20:08
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Feedback for Poland:
- Maciej Paterski (LIQ) - he was second Basso's helper in mountains, after Szmyd, together with Koren. He did good job in mountains, tried escaping once and did v.well at Pramartino, couldn't keep only with Hagen. MO up to 70, I think, FTR up to 68-70.
- Konrad Czajkowski (BGZ Team) - u got birthdate of wrong guy. There are two Konrad Czajkowski guys, this one is 22 years old, can't find his birthdate though. Promising climber, should be about 63-64 MO.
- Radoslaw Romanik (BGZ Team) - to old to be team's leader. Lower his all stats, he's 43 y.o, after all!
- Pawel Cieslik (BGZ Team) - best rider in team atm, good climber and puncheur. Sth like 66 MO, 68 HL and proper fitness stats should be ok.
- Tomasz Lisowicz (BGZ Team) - fine timetrialist, fine on hills but not a sprinter, as u made him, for sure.
- Jose Mendes (CCC Polsat) - not sure, but he's better climber than u made him, I think.
- Marek Rutkiewicz (CCC Polsat) - he's an amazing downhiller, attacked a lot on downhills in Tour de Pologne over the years. He deserves 76-77, I think. No reason for Bodnar's high downhill-stat though.
Apart from that, would be really nice if you could add Polish letters to all Pole's names, like u did for Michal Kwiatkowski (can't type proper letter here on forums). Can we appoint somehow? Quite a difference for Polish players and just few minutes of work for me, if you will to let me fix it.
Except for Rutkiewicz, all the changes are really small, so I guess you should put it quite deep on your to-do list. But, if you're going for perfection, I leave these suggestions for you, just in case. |
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| pylarz |
Posted on 24-07-2011 20:28
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From myself I would add:
Jaroslaw Marycz - i'm sure that he is better timetrialist than f.e. Sapa, Rojas or Kolobnev. He was Polish Champion.
Edited by pylarz on 24-07-2011 20:28
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| shraggi |
Posted on 24-07-2011 20:41
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voeckler 76 on mountains?
"That stage will start full gas, be ridden full gas and will finish full gas"
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| issoisso |
Posted on 24-07-2011 20:47
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I usually stay out of these discussions, but I'd like to weigh in on something more general than just "X is under/overrated"
Not enough weight is being given to the REC stat. Performances on the last week of a GT are mostly weighed by it.
I'll give you an example. Cancellara won't win the final TT at the Tour even if you give him 85TT, because the guys with 78 or so TT have much better recovery. Which is perfectly realistic, I'd say.
But that's not what's happening in the DB. I'm looking at the stats and it seems to me that instead of thinking about how good each rider's recovery actually is, it was given sorta following the overall quality of riders
"X is better than Y so I'll give X better recovery". Seems to me that -consciously or not - that's how it was given. I have to disagree with that.
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| Ezio |
Posted on 24-07-2011 20:47
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All the polish guys says their riders are better than what the DB says, and the Norwegian guys want Cav to have LOWER than 60 in MO?! Seriosly, he's at least 60, I would say 64. |
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| zwieback57 |
Posted on 24-07-2011 20:50
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He's better in mountain than before but not 64 ! But Cav's mountain's characteristics are not so important |
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| shraggi |
Posted on 24-07-2011 20:55
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cactus-jack wrote:
roturn wrote:
But in PCM there is no jury.
So better to see him in Paris in my opinion.
But in real life he can't climb over a speed bump, that's what gave guys like Hushovd a shot at the jersey.
What do you call his win on stage 5?
"That stage will start full gas, be ridden full gas and will finish full gas"
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| ANFreeman |
Posted on 24-07-2011 20:57
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valverde321 wrote:
DJP19 wrote:
valverde321 wrote:
Argh, Hesjedal clearly climbed better than Danielson in the final few mountain stages after he recovered from his injury.
But its just a minor detail.
Plus all the other Canadian stats seem really good now for some reason 
Its because Lacombe was amazing at ToC. Gave Canadians other than Hesjedal notability.
Well actually I helped siwi out about with the Canadian stats he wasn't sure about
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| mascered |
Posted on 24-07-2011 21:19
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I believe the Latvian rider Toms Skujins cobble-stat(55) is a little low, i mean he did finish second in this years ronde van vlaanderen for youngsters. The winner Salvatore Puccio isnt even in the DB.
Also, I find Kessiakoffs stats a little low. To win the Tour of Austria ahead of riders like Menchov deserves more recognition in my opinion.
Otherwise, a very good db. |
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| Johan92 |
Posted on 24-07-2011 21:27
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I think this is the best stats I've seen in a Daily DB.
www.pcmnorge.no
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 24-07-2011 21:35
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shraggi wrote:
cactus-jack wrote:
roturn wrote:
But in PCM there is no jury.
So better to see him in Paris in my opinion.
But in real life he can't climb over a speed bump, that's what gave guys like Hushovd a shot at the jersey.
What do you call his win on stage 5?
Well, that wasn't mountains, but yes, small speed bumps. And he were in big trouble on this stage, though, bur managed after a quite phenomenal sprint to oversprint both Rojas and Gilbert.
But i agree with the others that 60 is too much, even though i am able to see the problem in a much lower MO stat. I mean 55 is proper for a man like Cav.
Haven't seen the stats yet, but i bet it's good since siwi have made them. 80 MO for Michael Rasmussen?
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| Popo |
Posted on 24-07-2011 21:35
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I laughed when i saw that Nibali has 81 i mountain. 79 is perfect for him, he is definitely not a better climber than Rujano, and he's not at Scarponi's level either. |
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| rycadinho |
Posted on 24-07-2011 21:39
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Popo wrote:
I laughed when i saw that Nibali has 81 i mountain. 79 is perfect for him, he is definitely not a better climber than Rujano, and he's not at Scarponi's level either.
Well I believe he is a very strong climber, but he seems to struggle when a stage is either very long and full of climbs... just look at his performance a Zoncolan against some of his other performances in stages with more climbs in the giro! The difference was quite big. 81 is fine, but he should have a low endurance stat, though I dunno how high it is in this db.
Downloading it atm, and I'm looking very much forward to play it!
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| shraggi |
Posted on 24-07-2011 21:56
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rycadinho wrote:
Popo wrote:
I laughed when i saw that Nibali has 81 i mountain. 79 is perfect for him, he is definitely not a better climber than Rujano, and he's not at Scarponi's level either.
Well I believe he is a very strong climber, but he seems to struggle when a stage is either very long and full of climbs... just look at his performance a Zoncolan against some of his other performances in stages with more climbs in the giro! The difference was quite big. 81 is fine, but he should have a low endurance stat, though I dunno how high it is in this db.
Downloading it atm, and I'm looking very much forward to play it!
He has 77 endurance which is the same as f. schleck, rodriguez,Gesink and basso and scarponi is 76
"That stage will start full gas, be ridden full gas and will finish full gas"
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| Rammus |
Posted on 24-07-2011 23:47
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Yeah these are much better than the original !
Stats for me that stick out:
Too high mountain
Nibali 81
Cunego 80
Vandevelde 77
Niemiec 76
Danielson 79 !!!!!!
Too low mountain
Voecleur 76
Tiralongo 75
Arroyo 75
Oh and maybe up Kloden TT haha |
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| Droniczpcm |
Posted on 25-07-2011 00:21
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Maybe Valverde from 79 to 80 or 81 MO , i mean he did win the vuelta 2009 , he's certainly as good as guys like Van den Broeck or Gesink and they have 81 , dont they?
Philippe Gilbert , the belgian stallion
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| Droniczpcm |
Posted on 25-07-2011 00:23
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Rammus wrote:
Yeah these are much better than the original !
Stats for me that stick out:
Too high mountain
Nibali 81
Cunego 80
Vandevelde 77
Niemiec 76
Danielson 79 !!!!!!
Too low mountain
Voecleur 76
Tiralongo 75
Arroyo 75
Oh and maybe up Kloden TT haha
Arroyo isn't that good in climbing , the only reason why he was 2nd in last year's giro is because an early escape where he was in took like 12 minutes , i do agree on voeckler , he should need 78 or 79 , he climbed the alps with the best there are.
Philippe Gilbert , the belgian stallion
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