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EPIC - Season 1 Part 1
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| kubys |
Posted on 28-01-2014 08:55
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As OPQS manager, I must say, we have no worries about racedays, as we are trying to be involved in samll amount of CT races and there are also some races we don't care at all (on WT level). So yes, we are pretty confident.
Edited by kubys on 28-01-2014 08:56
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 28-01-2014 09:29
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Ollfardh wrote:
Team Rankings, of course 
I need to work out the details still, but it will mean there will be at least 3 WT teams regelating
So Vacansoleil and 2 more 
Equally it might be worth making this clear ASAP as it is a big deal and something that will dictate various teams schedules and tactics
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| Atlantius |
Posted on 28-01-2014 09:47
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I'd say the obvious choice would be to offer a WT-spot to the 16 best ranked teams at the end of the season, but allowing them to decline (as Europcar have done in the past IRL). Potentially with a clause that (at least) the best CT-team will get promoted.
If we are both to cut from 19 to 16 teams and guarentee two promotions it will mean that 5 WT-teams will get relegated, which to me seems a bit over the top...
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 28-01-2014 09:55
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Atlantius wrote:
I'd say the obvious choice would be to offer a WT-spot to the 16 best ranked teams at the end of the season, but allowing them to decline (as Europcar have done in the past IRL). Potentially with a clause that (at least) the best CT-team will get promoted.
If we are both to cut from 19 to 16 teams and guarentee two promotions it will mean that 5 WT-teams will get relegated, which to me seems a bit over the top...
My thoughts exactly. So I guess it'll be the 16 best ranked teams, with the best CT team getting automatic promotion. Any other CT team has the option to decline WT status.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 28-01-2014 10:21
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Ollfardh wrote:
Atlantius wrote:
I'd say the obvious choice would be to offer a WT-spot to the 16 best ranked teams at the end of the season, but allowing them to decline (as Europcar have done in the past IRL). Potentially with a clause that (at least) the best CT-team will get promoted.
If we are both to cut from 19 to 16 teams and guarentee two promotions it will mean that 5 WT-teams will get relegated, which to me seems a bit over the top...
My thoughts exactly. So I guess it'll be the 16 best ranked teams, with the best CT team getting automatic promotion. Any other CT team has the option to decline WT status.
But CT teams can get 4 more custom riders. Look at Europcar and how the extra custom riders have boosted them upwards in the rankings.
And as pointed out before Europcar starts at a similar level to the weaker WT teams like Euskaltel and Vacansoleil and then gets a huge extra boost.
This then puts those other lower WT teams into an almost impossible situation once MTN, IAM or NetApp get involved as well.
That said i was expecting more relegation than promotion, but only like a 3 down 2 up to reset the WT to 18 teams and open up an extra wildcard space.
Something as key as Relegation/Promotion should be clear from the start, and looking back at the intial rules it's about as vague as it could possibly be... and the rankings will decide about promotion/demotion to and from the World Tour ... is all that i can find on the subject
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 28-01-2014 10:26
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Well, that's all there is to it, isn't it? Score points in the ranking and you'll be promoted. Do bad in the rankings and you'll get demoted.
It's one of the many things I didn't fully work out at the start because a game needs to keep going or it will die.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| Atlantius |
Posted on 28-01-2014 10:39
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Can't see the problem either - even though I risk ending up on the losing end. I assume every manager will be aiming at scoring as many points as possible either way?
If I'm not among the 16 strongest teams I don't mind having to apply for wildcards - of which there will be two more per race if there's only 16 WT-teams.
I would like there to be equal rules for current CT and WT teams in next season in terms of custom riders though so a newly-promoted team can't have more custom riders than current WT-teams as well as opening for the relegated teams to sign more riders should they feel like it.
Edited by Atlantius on 28-01-2014 10:40
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 28-01-2014 10:46
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But i mean numbers of teams up and down. For me and FDJ i'm not going to be more than mid-table at best this season and more likely to be in that lower section. If 2 teams go down then i can be more realistic with my planning (focus on France and related races) but if it's 4-5 teams then i need to scrap that plan (bit late now with Part 1 being finished and Part 2 applications pretty much done) and just go for as many points as possible.
And if i get relegated because CT teams can get more custom riders than me that is incredibly unfair! (if i get relegated because other WT teams do better then i have no complaints) (and ultimately i'm not overly fussed as i want to switch to a different team after the season anyway)
To me there is losing to stronger teams, and then there is losing to teams with an artificial strength advantage that i cannot get access to
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 28-01-2014 10:49
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But of you get regelated, you can have the CT team you wanted while still managing FDJ, nothing but benefits there 
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 28-01-2014 10:56
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Ollfardh wrote:
But of you get regelated, you can have the CT team you wanted while still managing FDJ, nothing but benefits there
True i could target relegation... That actually sounds like a plan! Time to ruin the season for Pal (Cervero already wrecked his) through collateral damage...
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| jaxika |
Posted on 28-01-2014 11:20
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TheManxMissile wrote:
Ollfardh wrote:
But of you get regelated, you can have the CT team you wanted while still managing FDJ, nothing but benefits there
True i could target relegation... That actually sounds like a plan! Time to ruin the season for Pal (Cervero already wrecked his) through collateral damage...
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 28-01-2014 18:00
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Why cut it down to 16, just out of interest?
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| The Hobbit |
Posted on 28-01-2014 18:05
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TheManxMissile wrote:
Ollfardh wrote:
But of you get regelated, you can have the CT team you wanted while still managing FDJ, nothing but benefits there
True i could target relegation... That actually sounds like a plan! Time to ruin the season for Pal (Cervero already wrecked his) through collateral damage...
Who's the one making Cervero jokes now!
Maybe that was my Master plan. Stick my rider in, and then secretly sabotage the team. Yeah, that was the plan... Sure... |
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 28-01-2014 18:05
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It gives more wild card opportunities, was a bit disappointing I could only allow 3 in the GTs
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| Dippofix |
Posted on 28-01-2014 18:12
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Yeah, down to 16 actually seems good to me, though i shouldn't really be in danger either way. (Unless i really fuck things up.  )
Then again, even if, we'd probably get wildcards for pretty much any uphill race we could want, then scrap our cobbles department, massively boost our climbing/hilling, improve our sprinters, and we'd be back on top soon enough.
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 28-01-2014 18:13
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True.
Europcar should be safe for promotion anyway
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 29-01-2014 10:38
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Right, small changes to the ranking. Everyone under 0 was set back to 0. Astana and Katusha had their punishments very slightly reduced. The only team to lose a place because of this is Orica GreenEdge. But we all know it was their own fault for not sending Goss to Milan-San Remo
| 1 | Omega Pharma | 3107 | | 2 | Belkin | 2695 | | 3 | Sky | 2445 | | 4 | Movistar | 2247 | | 5 | RadioShack | 2082 | | 6 | BMC | 1532 | | 7 | Cannondale | 1382 | | 8 | Europcar | 1346 | | 9 | Argos | 1300 | | 10 | Lotto | 1254 | | 11 | Saxo-Tinkoff | 1247 | | 12 | Garmin | 1100 | | 13 | Euskaltel | 1059 | | 14 | Katusha | 774 | | 15 | Astana | 761 | | 16 | Orica-GreenEdge | 675 | | 17 | FDJ | 645 | | 18 | AG2R | 571 | | 19 | Androni | 535 | | 20 | MTN | 506 | | 21 | Lampre | 428 | | 22 | Colombia | 412 | | 23 | Cofidis | 409 | | 24 | Bretagne | 334 | | 25 | Sojasun | 280 | | 26 | Vini Fantini | 263 | | 27 | Bardiani | 217 | | 28 | IAM | 199 | | 29 | Topsport | 178 | | 30 | Crelan | 175 | | 31 | RusVelo | 178 | | 32 | Accent Jobs | 108 | | 33 | NetApp | 104 | | 34 | CCC | 47 | | 35 | Novo Nordisk | 26 | | 36 | UHC | 0 | | 37 | Caja Rural | 0 | | 38 | Champion System | 0 | | 39 | Vacansoleil | 0 |
Edited by Ollfardh on 29-01-2014 10:39
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 29-01-2014 10:53
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No problems for me, should be more fair I think...
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| Shonak |
Posted on 29-01-2014 10:57
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Sounds good, Ollfardh.
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| Cycleman123 |
Posted on 01-02-2014 20:00
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Ollfardh wrote:
The only team to lose a place because of this is Orica GreenEdge. But we all know it was their own fault for not sending Goss to Milan-San Remo
Really not letting that go are you?
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