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| Luis Leon Sanchez |
Posted on 08-01-2015 08:48
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I don't understand the language there but going by what Avin said this man is no better than those who killed him other than the fact he didn't kill amyone. I'm really sorry but I don't have a lot of pity for someone like that. May sound crap but yeah.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 08-01-2015 08:57
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Luis Leon Sanchez wrote:
I don't understand the language there but going by what Avin said this man is no better than those who killed him other than the fact he didn't kill amyone. I'm really sorry but I don't have a lot of pity for someone like that. May sound crap but yeah.
I would not go so far, as his weapons were words and pictures instead of gun that killed him. Words cant kill, even when they can hurt minds and hearts heavily. He was not murderer, but nor a person i would admire. Also he was not the only one killed there, so it would be unfair from us to tarnish the memory of all the shot people including Charb himself. This should never have been solved by guns and shooting...
The picture says something like:
a.Still no attacks in France
b. just wait, we still have time till the end of January to press our wishes.
Someone please correct me, if meaning is other than this, as i come from limited knowledge.
Edited by Avin Wargunnson on 08-01-2015 09:19
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| Luis Leon Sanchez |
Posted on 08-01-2015 09:04
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Don't get me wrong, I hate these extremeist bastards amd what they do to innocent people. First Canada, then Australia, now France. Who's next...
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| The Hobbit |
Posted on 08-01-2015 17:07
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
This is last "work" of killed head of the magazine, Stéphane Charbonnier, who was btw. big supporter of communism ideology, ideology that killed tenths of millions of people and this person dares to laugh on anoter ideology in this manner?
I would like to say that this is incorrect. You and others here, have made it sound like Communism is some horrid disease, like extremism, but that isn't true. Communist ideology has barely killed anyone because there has never been a truly communist country. Stalinism has killed millions of innocent people though, which although it is communist, it is also very authoritarian and corrupt. A communist criticising a religion is exaclty the same as you criticising religion. I do not know much about this man, but I doubt he supported Stalin any more than your average conservative supported Nazism.
I am sorry to bring this discussion towards a quarrel over political ideology, as that is not the point. The point is, like others have said, whatever you write (good or bad) you do not deserve death. |
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| Ste117 |
Posted on 08-01-2015 17:33
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There is no excuse to kill and certainly no excuse for Terrorism. I hope these pathetic excuse for people are caught and suffer what they have done. Maybe government torture should make a comeback for stuff like this to get the information out of these Terrorists. Then we will stand a chance at fighting it. Some will probably think that's a bit harsh but so is killing someone or say 12 people. That or certainly the death penalty.
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| fosforgasXIII |
Posted on 08-01-2015 19:04
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The Hobbit wrote:
I would like to say that this is incorrect. You and others here, have made it sound like Communism is some horrid disease, like extremism, but that isn't true. Communist ideology has barely killed anyone because there has never been a truly communist country.
That depends how you define "communism". Communism as Marx described it is stateless, classless society. But words can change. The various regimes that called themselves "communistic" shifted the meaning towards autocratic regime with state controlled economy (which varies a lot from what Marx wrote). I assume the cartoonist was a marxists rather than a stalinist or a maoist.
Ste117 wrote:
Maybe government torture should make a comeback for stuff like this to get the information out of these Terrorists. Then we will stand a chance at fighting it. Some will probably think that's a bit harsh but so is killing someone or say 12 people. That or certainly the death penalty.
I disagree. First of all, torture doesn't work. And secondly, I don't subscripe to an eye-for-an-eye method of justice. Torturing or killing them doesn't make us much better than the very terrorists we try to combat. The call for vengeance might feel strong in this case, I don't it will solve anything. |
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| Selwink |
Posted on 08-01-2015 19:08
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I don't think the prospect of a possible death penalty works as a good deterrent. If you look at the United States, which still has the death penalty, it has a much higher crime rate than any western European state, which don't have death penalty anymore.
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 08-01-2015 19:45
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Terribly sad. Brave men shot down for saying what they believe.
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| Luis Leon Sanchez |
Posted on 08-01-2015 20:20
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The problem is most these people aren't really afraid of death. So the death penalty would be of little use.
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 08-01-2015 20:43
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What would be the point of the death penalty? They would die and that would be it for them. Meanwhile, the families of those they killed would have to live with the pain their entire lives.
Life in prison is a more fitted punishment than the death penalty, in my opinion.
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| mede33 |
Posted on 09-01-2015 18:40
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| Ste117 |
Posted on 09-01-2015 22:32
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Even without doing anything to provoke it. We in the West are targets because of were we come from not for what we have done offensive. These terrorists will not be satisfied until the Western world is entire Muslim and under their rule. Everyone is a target in the West just for breathing.
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 09-01-2015 22:42
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| 547984 |
Posted on 10-01-2015 03:34
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I don't bother to care what other people believe in, but you have to admit there's no such thing as multiculturalism and peace in the same sentence. And what punishment do you give to these terrorists? It actually doesn't matter.
Ste117 wrote:
Even without doing anything to provoke it. We in the West are targets because of were we come from not for what we have done offensive. These terrorists will not be satisfied until the Western world is entire Muslim and under their rule. Everyone is a target in the West just for breathing.
Living in the USA and seeing what our imperial structure has done I have to disagree with this. I can't speak for the whole West, and you know European politics better than I, but what have we done good for the Arab sphere in the last 50 years?? All we have done is install puppets, creating wars for oil, launching invasions of whole regions including civilian territory in on the basis of either Israel or a new ethnic group of some sort, and all the while convincing our own population that we're the peacekeepers of the world. The West has interests to use other countries, and these countries have no larger news-creating "weapon" than terrorist attacks. Sad but true.
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| OZrocker |
Posted on 10-01-2015 03:55
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547984 wrote:
I don't bother to care what other people believe in, but you have to admit there's no such thing as multiculturalism and peace in the same sentence.
Except you just used them in the same sentence 
Seriously though, I have to disagree. Multiculturalism can easily lead to the world being more peaceful if there wasn't so much misunderstanding and intolerance. How we go about changing that is the really difficult part.
547984 wrote:
Ste117 wrote:
Even without doing anything to provoke it. We in the West are targets because of were we come from not for what we have done offensive. These terrorists will not be satisfied until the Western world is entire Muslim and under their rule. Everyone is a target in the West just for breathing.
Living in the USA and seeing what our imperial structure has done I have to disagree with this. I can't speak for the whole West, and you know European politics better than I, but what have we done good for the Arab sphere in the last 50 years?? All we have done is install puppets, creating wars for oil, launching invasions of whole regions including civilian territory in on the basis of either Israel or a new ethnic group of some sort, and all the while convincing our own population that we're the peacekeepers of the world. The West has interests to use other countries, and these countries have no larger news-creating "weapon" than terrorist attacks. Sad but true.
While I agree with you there, all Western countries are automatically a target because of the way how they are run and the predominant religion anyway. Also important to note that for many extremists it has to be their form of Islam (which isn't even really Islam, but they think it is) which is worshipped by the masses, so even practising Muslims are often seen as the enemy.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 12-01-2015 07:30
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OZrocker wrote:
While I agree with you there, all Western countries are automatically a target because of the way how they are run and the predominant religion anyway. Also important to note that for many extremists it has to be their form of Islam (which isn't even really Islam, but they think it is) which is worshipped by the masses, so even practising Muslims are often seen as the enemy.
ISIS actually sees christians as "people of the book" and thus someone who is not destined to be killed, which is reserved for atheists.
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| Kiserlovski01 |
Posted on 25-01-2015 23:12
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Not sure if anyone has already seen it. This awfully provoking banner was addressed to Steven Defour, currently playing for the Belgian football team Anderlecht, the absolute rival of his ex-team Standard.
This team's 'fans' decided to welcome him like this:
Some fans even dared to state that the banner was amazing. Loafs, if you ask me, but what do you guys think?
Edited by Kiserlovski01 on 25-01-2015 23:18
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| jandal7 |
Posted on 25-01-2015 23:15
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Kiserlovski01 wrote:
Not sure if anyone has already seen i. This awfully provoking banner was addressed to Steven Defour, currently playing for the Belgian football team Anderlecht, the absolute rival of his ex-team Standard.
This team's 'fans' decided to welcome him like this:
Some fans even dared to state that the banner was amazing. Loafs, if you ask me, but what do you guys think?
It's always going to be tense when an old player comes back, but this is way out of order. There is a line, and they crossed it.
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 25-01-2015 23:18
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My first thought was How the hell were they allowed to get a banner that big into the stadium in the first place !!! |
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| Kiserlovski01 |
Posted on 25-01-2015 23:28
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Well, in Liège they know the home game against Anderlecht is always tense. The management always makes a kind of agreement with the fans concerning the content of the banner that will be used.
After the game, the preses asserted that 'the brought banner was not the same as the one that was introduced and approved.'
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