Ripley wrote:
It ain't over till it's over, still lots of ranking points in play, especially for Moser, it seems.
That's what i've been thinking all season, that Moser would save my team in October with several races perfectly suited for him and being the top favourite in all of them. But maybe the rest of my team took that too seriously and now we are too far to put a real fight in the promotion zone
Krigbaum as the TT favorite, but that usualy doesn't mean anything. Maybe Pizarro can do something, or De Bruyn at the U21 race (why no favorites there?).
Prolly because we need to await scouting results for that.
Desjardins outsider in the U23ITT and in a great shape so far, hopefully he can actually somehow win that one. All elite races are very interesting for us. TTTs have been going well for us all year, so hopefully now as well. Durbo and Froome are both contenders in the TT, but that's probably a lottery. Froome also a good chance in the RR, though beating Contador will be hard there.
After 4 years of TTT medals for my team, this year marks the end of this nice streak. Is there a stat of all won medals of every team, Bikex?
At least with VDP, Pulido in the U23 race and Herrada and Bananito in the Elite race, there are some other races where I fancy my chances. Both VDP and Herrada could also cause end up on the podium in the TT events given the hilly terrain.
Nice ICL logo
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
Shonak wrote:
After 4 years of TTT medals for my team, this year marks the end of this nice streak. Is there a stat of all won medals of every team, Bikex?
That's a nice medal collection by Celesio, mostly courtsey of Tony Martin and Matej Mohoric (U23) and Bob Jungels. Too bad that the manager mvh disappeared.
Liberty Seguros at 7 medals isn't bad either though, second most medals in fact
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
LIUCPBM3CGIPBT? How can you make a 3 letter abbreviation if apparently every letter is important?
Course for the road race looks great, should be very exciting. Time trial also looks good. Still can't fathom how Vittel was able to hire Tony Martin for such a low wage, why no WT team made a serious bid.
Ripley wrote:
LIUCPBM3CGIPBT? How can you make a 3 letter abbreviation if apparently every letter is important?
That's no abbreviation!
Lunar Industries - Umbrella Corporation presented by M3 Communications Group Incorporated Professional Bicycling Team (i love that i can still remember this) are a legendary entity
And dont forget the Sunnydale Varisty Team formerly Hilly Valley Varsity Team, the dev squad
Go Majka for RR (if he wants to re-appear...) and the lads for finally LOSING A FRICKIN TTT HOW HARD IS IT YOU ALL SUCK SO MUCH YOU CAN'T EVEN LOSE CORRECTLY why does this trash TTT cost RDs
24/02/21 - kandesbunzler said “I don't drink famous people."
15/08/22 - SotD said "Your [jandal's] humour is overrated"
11/06/24 - knockout said "Winning is fine I guess. Truth be told this felt completely unimportant." [ICL] Santos-Euskadi | [PT] Xero Racing
Lunar Industries - Umbrella Corporation presented by M3 Communications Group Incorporated Professional Bicycling Team (i love that i can still remember this) are a legendary entity Wink
And dont forget the Sunnydale Varisty Team formerly Hilly Valley Varsity Team, the dev squad Pfft
Nice! I support any reference to the great movie Moon, watched it again just the other day. The Resident Evil series is a mess, though.
Shonak wrote:
That's a nice medal collection by Celesio, mostly courtsey of Tony Martin and Matej Mohoric (U23) and Bob Jungels. Too bad that the manager mvh disappeared.
Ripley wrote:
Still can't fathom how Vittel was able to hire Tony Martin for such a low wage, why no WT team made a serious bid.
Dunno, ask Matt or Jandal. They (over)bid on everybody lol
Clearly I underbid on all my steal riders or I'd have won one
24/02/21 - kandesbunzler said “I don't drink famous people."
15/08/22 - SotD said "Your [jandal's] humour is overrated"
11/06/24 - knockout said "Winning is fine I guess. Truth be told this felt completely unimportant." [ICL] Santos-Euskadi | [PT] Xero Racing
Lunar Industries - Umbrella Corporation presented by M3 Communications Group Incorporated Professional Bicycling Team (i love that i can still remember this) are a legendary entity Wink
And dont forget the Sunnydale Varisty Team formerly Hilly Valley Varsity Team, the dev squad Pfft
Nice! I support any reference to the great movie Moon, watched it again just the other day. The Resident Evil series is a mess, though.
It's a shame SN had to introduce maximum name lengths in the MG or we'd have another one of these instead of Podium Ambition
I'm mashing up a review of each team's performance with a look at how well my simple prediction formula(s) turned out. Obviously I knew that my predictions wouldn't be be terribly accurate, no simple formula would be sufficient and before I exhaust myself with coming up something far more intricate I might as well do a subjective preview next year. Having said that, the simple WPOS (weighted average of the 6 best riders by their AVG ranking position) predicted 4 of the top 5 final positions correctly.
I chose a slighty unfortunate format, for each team I'm naming the 6 best scorers (since I've used 6 riders before), underneath each rider you find the prestige points scored (in all races) and the prestige point CT ranking, 367 riders scored at least a point.
Vittel-Havas
Points: 7495
Rank: 1
WAVG: 1
WPOS: 1
T. Martin
Kern
Kozhatayev
Flakemore
Vakoc
Robert
2016
900
855
698
614
534
2
20
21
24
33
39
I dare say that Yellow Jersey didn't plan his transfers quite the brilliant way they turned out. He missed his big targets in the first FA round which I'm sure we all believed would be crucial. In fact, he didn't hire any of his eight best scorers in the first round. He hired four in the 2nd and four even as late as the 3rd round. Waiting clearly has its advantages, though maybe the free agent market won't be as stacked again next season. But he also planned his season brilliantly, sending Tony Martin to the WT to collect a lot of points, making him the 2nd best scorer of the whole CT despite "only" being a world class time trialist.
Credit Suisse
Points: 5752
Rank: 2
WAVG: 8
WPOS: 6
Caruso
Puccio
Ponzi
Cancellara
Aregger
Cattaneo
1923
1161
684
369
299
211
4
12
27
63
86
100
Vali found the missing piece in the puzzle by hiring Puccio, who had such a terrible 2017 season. But boy did he deliver for Credit Suisse this year. Captain Caruso also had a great season, scoring 500 more points than last year. The biggest surprise was Ponzi, who scored only 143 points in 2017 but 684 a year later. He's the main reason my prediction failed. I'll say it's a sign of excellent season planning that Credit Suisse finished 2nd, several positions higher than my formula predicted.
Aviva Cycling
Points: 5325
Rank: 3
WAVG: 5
WPOS: 3
Poels
Fuglsang
Schorn
Valgren
Stannard
Van der Sande
1237
1148
792
439
421
268
10
13
22
53
55
91
I still don't know how my team did so well. I admit to spending a lot of time planning our season and I believe it paid off. But Poels was the gift that kept on giving, he had an amazing season. I'm not usually a fan of sprinters and expected little from Schorn but he was just great and won more than he should have. Fuglsang was rock solid and everybody contributed, Van der Sande winning the GP Montreal was unreal.
Wilier Triestina
Points: 5150
Rank: 4
WAVG: 2
WPOS: 4
Moser
Rabottini
Pelucchi
De Marchi
Sanz
Pantano
1974
620
556
547
281
245
3
31
37
38
90
95
The team was in the middle of the pack for the longest time, Aquarius and Moser waiting patiently for the late hilly races which would turn things around. And they certainly did, Moser finished only behind Herklotz and Tony Martin in the individual rankings and the team jumped past Wiggle and CCC to finish 4th.
CCC Sprandi
Points: 5126
Rank: 5
WAVG: 10
WPOS: 5
Komisarek
Ulissi
Chamorro
Nowaczek
Anacona
Ochoa
1258
1146
576
488
357
300
9
14
36
46
69
84
dominox nailed it: "If anything I would say CCC will be on 5th spot at the end. Why? I already was 7th and 6th. Time for a 5th place." Possibly it was a mistake to send the team to the Giro, where it collected just 155 prestige points, those race days could have been put to better use. I was right when saying my formula, using just 6 riders, wasn't good enough for CCC. And indeed, Dall'Oste was their 8th best scorer (281), only Vittel had more scoring depth. I hope dominox will tell us how Komisarek (AVG 74.7) managed to collect 1258 points, I thought Schorn overperformed, but Komisarek outclassed him. When I add my usual tables and expect that Komisarek will be high up in the Points/AVG ranking.
Wiggle p/b BB
Points: 4843
Rank: 6
WAVG: 7
WPOS: 7
Thomas
Edmondson
Bennett
Clarke
Roche
Meyer
1386
906
514
398
323
284
7
19
42
58
76
88
A solid season for Team Wiggle. Thomas collected a lot of points, I expected even more from him, but admittedely the scoring potential is limited for cobblestone specialists. Bennett was a bit disappointing, but Edmondson had a good year.
Balkan Cycling
Points: 4468
Rank: 7
WAVG: 3
WPOS: 13
Nerz
Rui Costa
Figueiredo
Rajsp
Kolář
Eckmann
1434
1432
492
365
337
193
5
6
45
66
70
107
Though my two formulas were very similar, they spat out wildly different results for the Balkan Cycling Project. Unsurprisingly, the team ended up somewhere in the middle. Nerz and Rui Costa finished 5th and 6th, just two points apart, the team just needs another solid scorer. The sprinters Rajsp and Kolar should improve and that might be enough to become a serious promotion candidate.
Cymru Wales
Points: 3994
Rank: 8
WAVG: 6
WPOS: 2
Fenn
Swift
Rowe
Kreder
Schleck
Serebryakov
1195
680
612
420
302
233
11
29
34
57
82
98
Cymru Wales couldn't match my predictions, especially not WPOS, which had the team in 2nd place. The reason is simple, apart from old Andy Schleck the top riders are all sprinters who had to ride in support of each other. And poor Schleck had a terrible season, probably the planning wasn't focused on him. I believe no other team won as many mass sprints in the CT and that must have been the goal.
Bosch Cycling
Points: 3678
Rank: 9
WAVG: 21
WPOS: 21
Herklotz
Auer
Brus
Rapp
Egner
Paulus
2232
447
169
113
104
92
1
51
116
154
161
173
The one-man show Herklotz really messed up my prediction, though I had feared as much at the start of the season. I was also woefully unaware of the additional points scored from winning the U25 ranking, which made Herklotz 1.5x as effective as an older rider. Another thing I failed to consider: Auer would captain a lot of races and with the support of the whole team he scored way better than you'd expect from a rider with an AVG 73.5. Herklotz will be (even more) unstoppable next season, unless he forces his way into the WT. Match any steal offer, cio, and then put a price tag of 3000 on him.
Pedal Africa
Points: 3546
Rank: 10
WAVG: 12
WPOS: 11
Berhane
Ciolek
Kudus
Grmay
Teshome
Hamza
1049
691
619
381
162
155
16
26
32
61
121
126
The team performed just about as predicted. Still, their only non-African rider, Ciolek, was a disappointment, with his combination of HIl and SPR he should have done better. Berhane was a nice surprise with several top-notch results, Kudus should have done better, but he's still young and should take another step forward next season.
Statoil Pro
Points: 3397
Rank: 11
WAVG: 4
WPOS: 8
Guardini
Hoelgaard
Enger
Ringheim
Pizzaballa
Jeppessen
1327
509
393
390
317
97
8
43
59
60
78
167
Forget the prestige point ranking and the marginal gains employed by teams like Vittel and Aviva. When it comes to reputation and brand awareness, Statoil topped us all with a brilliant Tour de France. Only hardcore fans will have followed the CT results, but everybody watches the Tour. Also, hillis has an exciting team, lots of riders are set to improve. He might have to let go of a sprinter or two and plan more races with Pizzaballa and Zilioli in mind. It's a travesty that Zilioli scored just 24 prestige points this season as a puncher with AVG 76.6!
ICBC Cycling
Points: 3109
Rank: 12
WAVG: 20
WPOS: 20
Mat Senan
Yamamoto
Ki Ho Choi
Ji Min Jung
Khademi
Cahyadi
590
450
365
189
188
170
35
50
65
108
109
115
Like Bosch, ICBC defied my predictions, for the opposite reason, more depth than I accounted for. 12 riders scored over 100 points, that's only matched by Vittel. Possibly the Asian team was a little lucky, too, especially early in the season they achieved a lot of good results.
Jeep Cycling
Points: 2817
Rank: 13
WAVG: 13
WPOS: 9
Duarte
Boeckmans
Hardy
Díaz
Jaramillo
Anderson
715
421
373
194
193
137
23
56
62
105
106
134
Jeep: The team manager sadly never returned from that safari he went on in his sponsor's car. We didn't see much of their best rider, Boeckmans, but Duarte made up for that, winning the Volta a Portugal.
An Post
Points: 2651
Rank: 14
WAVG: 19
WPOS: 18
Goss
Lavery
Mullen
Serry
Havik
Würtz
913
333
323
301
238
159
18
72
75
83
97
124
MacC's team easily beat my prediction thanks to a good performance by captain Goss. Would love to see him continue with his pretty strict Irish focus, but it'll always be an uphill battle.
Cool Runnings
Points: 2637
Rank: 15
WAVG: 16
WPOS: 19
Henao
Lobato
Castle
Mayho
Newbury
Brenes
1080
528
362
169
158
99
15
40
67
117
125
165
TMM wasn't totally wrong, his team relied mostly on Henao, who I feel should have been even more successful. Lobato wasn't bad, either. Is the team really going to go all Caribbean? Would be cool, but a tough road ahead.
Vegeta Cycling
Points: 2636
Rank: 16
WAVG: 15
WPOS: 17
Kiserlovski
Preidler
Domagalski
Valls
Laengen
Hajdu
696
464
324
306
171
91
25
48
74
80
114
177
SSJ2Luigi simply ignored relegation and signed up for a lot of WT races, predictably, the results weren't much to shout about. It's high time to reduce the squad size, which will free up a lot of room in the budget.
Polestar
Points: 2551
Rank: 17
WAVG: 18
WPOS: 15
Kangert
Ludvigsson
Kruijswijk
Ahlstrand
Laas
Smukulis
623
315
262
248
171
141
30
79
92
94
113
133
Matched the expectations. Though Kangert could surely have done better, not his finest season. ivaneurope focused a bit much on TTs, which was rewarded with an excellent result in the TTT WC as 6th.
Spidertech
Points: 2469
Rank: 18
WAVG: 9
WPOS: 12
Gilbert
Lander
Pöstlberger
Sütterlin
Plesner
Salas
680
464
362
322
149
101
28
47
68
77
128
163
My two predictions expected more from Spidertech. Gilbert's final season wasn't the fireworks we hoped for. Lander was a positive surprise, though.
Team WWE
Points: 2373
Rank:19
WAVG: 11
WPOS: 10
Atapuma
Blythe
Landa
Busche
Butler
Berry
962
493
369
215
128
69
17
44
64
99
143
205
WWE overextended their budget slightly in the transfer period and it proved to be a bad omen for the season. All captains underperformed, though similar to Statoil the team did well in the Tour de France, with Atapuma winning the polkadot jersey and that's worth more than just ranking points.
Veranclassic
Points: 2345
Rank: 20
WAVG: 17
WPOS: 16
Bakelants
Van den Broeck
Vangenechten
Bouet
Bille
Waeytens
447
435
290
262
206
151
52
54
87
93
103
127
Nightrider decided to hire 28 riders, even more than Vegeta who failed in setting up a U23 squad, while Veranclassic wasn't even considering that. An admirable Belgian focus, but lacking real captains.
Trek-Segafredo
Points: 1948
Rank: 21
WAVG: 14
WPOS: 14
Felline
Cimolai
Conti
Guldhammer
Hansen
Kamp
337
304
196
178
162
161
71
81
104
110
122
123
Only WWE underperformed even more compared to my predictions. Lacking real captains, but still, the names Cimolai, Quaade, Conti, Felline and Trentin promised some decent results. Better luck next year!
All CT riders sorted by teams and prestige points:
This is amazing Ripley We'll see if any team from WT won't continue and i get to promote to WT, but if not, that shows that keeping Moser, the strategy might be to sign a second 1000+ scorer while not giving too much depth, though several riders of my core are old and might start to decline. Anyway, a transfers season coming up where i'll need to do a great job, whether it's for promoting to WT or to survive in WT