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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 18-07-2013 19:11
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Scarponi is 77 for me, though. |
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 18-07-2013 19:12
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Ian Butler wrote:
What about Schleck? 
And I wonder, after this Tour, Rolland and Voeckler?
Schleck 76/76 I think. Rolland I feel the same as well, if he had been just bit more successfully he would have probably got his 77 at the end, but we'll have to see.
Voeckler is going be probably 74/76(77).
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| romaniangoat |
Posted on 18-07-2013 19:17
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After Vuelta performance Henao will be at least 80...
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| carmelobymelo |
Posted on 18-07-2013 19:18
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I made an update for myself today, check it out if you want.
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 18-07-2013 19:18
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romaniangoat wrote:
After Vuelta performance Henao will be at least 80...
Not sure about 80, but I am sure he will go up from his 77 too 
However same as with Quintana or Contador before Tour, I can't give stats that I predict for 'future'. But yea, agreed.
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| carmelobymelo |
Posted on 18-07-2013 19:38
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Pellizotti2 wrote:Another guy who needs to be lowered is Szmyd. Has anyone seen him race since the 2011 Giro?
He did great Giro del Trentino in 2012, we should wait and see what he does at Tour of Poland later this month.
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| Maddox |
Posted on 18-07-2013 19:51
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Alakagom wrote:
Best climbers of the Tour and the stats right now in DB. Debatable of course, Froome potentially deserves 83 which could happen yet.
What about Jakob Fuglsang? In every mountainstage, he had been in same group as Contador? I think they should have same stat in MO  |
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 18-07-2013 20:08
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I still feel I should back Hesjedal. As Valverde said once, when Vaughters says he's fine, he's not. 78 at worst.
Schleck I like at 6. the results of his will work just fine with that.
Evans needs to be lowered to 77, and it should be a gimme to have his recovery stat brought down a lot. I feel that the db gives the best climbers way too high recovery than they should get, and it kind of eliminates that element.
I hate to say it but I think that Wiggins should still be 79, at least until his suspension starts.
Talansky is okay at 77 I feel. Martin I think needs 77 but if there was a consistency attribute, he would be a 50.
Also, I'd like to say I hate when people makes tats based on who is doing well in a certain race. People forget about the Giro. The think Tour Tour Tour, and they raise those guys.
Fuglsang 78 for me as well. He has been very consistent towards the top. If he had Brajkovic to help him, he might be even farther up.
Edited by baseballlover312 on 18-07-2013 20:09
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| stbalbertocontador |
Posted on 18-07-2013 20:12
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Maddox wrote:
Alakagom wrote:
Best climbers of the Tour and the stats right now in DB. Debatable of course, Froome potentially deserves 83 which could happen yet.
What about Jakob Fuglsang? In every mountainstage, he had been in same group as Contador? I think they should have same stat in MO
No he shouldnt.. Fuglsang is 4 minutes behind Contador atm in the gc, so giving Fuglsang the same MO stat as Contador is completly wrong.
@Alakagom: Rodriguez, dont overrate him, idd he has been good and he is a good climber, but he is more into the short and step climbs, which in PCM is the HI stat which is considered here.
The last thing is Richie Porte, does he really deserve 80 in MO? I think not. |
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| stbalbertocontador |
Posted on 18-07-2013 20:15
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stbalbertocontador wrote:
Maddox wrote:
Alakagom wrote:
Best climbers of the Tour and the stats right now in DB. Debatable of course, Froome potentially deserves 83 which could happen yet.
What about Jakob Fuglsang? In every mountainstage, he had been in same group as Contador? I think they should have same stat in MO
No he shouldnt.. Fuglsang is 4 minutes behind Contador atm in the gc, so giving Fuglsang the same MO stat as Contador is completly wrong.
@Alakagom: Rodriguez, dont overrate him, idd he has been good and he is a good climber, but he is more into the short and step climbs, which in PCM is the HI stat which is considered here.
The last thing is Richie Porte, does he really deserve 80 in MO? I think not.
Another thing is, dont judge the riders on what they perform in the tour only, there is a lot of things which play a role. It seems like many of you watch the tour only and the judge the riders. That would mean Van Garderen should have 75 MO, Rolland 76 etc. which would be absolutely wrong. |
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| Maddox |
Posted on 18-07-2013 20:18
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stbalbertocontador wrote:
stbalbertocontador wrote:
Maddox wrote:
Alakagom wrote:
Best climbers of the Tour and the stats right now in DB. Debatable of course, Froome potentially deserves 83 which could happen yet.
What about Jakob Fuglsang? In every mountainstage, he had been in same group as Contador? I think they should have same stat in MO
No he shouldnt.. Fuglsang is 4 minutes behind Contador atm in the gc, so giving Fuglsang the same MO stat as Contador is completly wrong.
@Alakagom: Rodriguez, dont overrate him, idd he has been good and he is a good climber, but he is more into the short and step climbs, which in PCM is the HI stat which is considered here.
The last thing is Richie Porte, does he really deserve 80 in MO? I think not.
Another thing is, dont judge the riders on what they perform in the tour only, there is a lot of things which play a role. It seems like many of you watch the tour only and the judge the riders. That would mean Van Garderen should have 75 MO, Rolland 76 etc. which would be absolutely wrong.
Remember most of the time is time trial, and team time trial. + the time he lost to Gap, a driver fail.
- I watch as must cycling as I can - and that's a lot. Remember, Fuglsang finished top 5 in Criterium du Dauphine; lots of minutes before Contador. |
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 18-07-2013 20:20
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Well Rodriguez was arguably the best climber of last Vuelta as well ahead of Contador. Contador won it due to smartness, not being the strongest, it's all to be decided so no stats are finalised though.
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 18-07-2013 20:23
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stbalbertocontador wrote:
stbalbertocontador wrote:
Maddox wrote:
Alakagom wrote:
Best climbers of the Tour and the stats right now in DB. Debatable of course, Froome potentially deserves 83 which could happen yet.
What about Jakob Fuglsang? In every mountainstage, he had been in same group as Contador? I think they should have same stat in MO
No he shouldnt.. Fuglsang is 4 minutes behind Contador atm in the gc, so giving Fuglsang the same MO stat as Contador is completly wrong.
@Alakagom: Rodriguez, dont overrate him, idd he has been good and he is a good climber, but he is more into the short and step climbs, which in PCM is the HI stat which is considered here.
The last thing is Richie Porte, does he really deserve 80 in MO? I think not.
Another thing is, dont judge the riders on what they perform in the tour only, there is a lot of things which play a role. It seems like many of you watch the tour only and the judge the riders. That would mean Van Garderen should have 75 MO, Rolland 76 etc. which would be absolutely wrong.
Considering for Rolland 1) It's his by far the biggest race of the season
2) He usually does jack shit before or after Tour in the big races ( bar the French ones ).
Then judging Rolland on Tour is right in that case.
For most riders it's not and other performances are as valid as Tour.
About Porte, the way he's domestiquing for me at least is absolutely deserving of 80, he's just amazing. Plus he has results this season to easily back that up, but again 79 could be optional, but 80 sounds okay with the performances he's putting across the season.
Edited by Alakagom on 18-07-2013 20:23
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 18-07-2013 20:28
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RodrÃguez and Porte are fine at 81 and 80. They're clearly the best climbers at the Tour behind Froome and Quintana.
I'm also pretty sure we'll have good reason to reduce Contador to 79 after the next two days. But not before then, of course.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 18-07-2013 20:42
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Pellizotti2 wrote:
RodrÃguez and Porte are fine at 81 and 80. They're clearly the best climbers at the Tour behind Froome and Quintana.
I'm also pretty sure we'll have good reason to reduce Contador to 79 after the next two days. But not before then, of course.
I don't get those tiny margins between guys with very different performances, but oh well.
Contador has 80 in mine. RodrÃguez has 81. Froome has 85. Quintana has 82 so that by July in career he'll be 83
Edited by issoisso on 18-07-2013 20:43
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| Chons07 |
Posted on 18-07-2013 20:43
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issoisso wrote:
Pellizotti2 wrote:
RodrÃguez and Porte are fine at 81 and 80. They're clearly the best climbers at the Tour behind Froome and Quintana.
I'm also pretty sure we'll have good reason to reduce Contador to 79 after the next two days. But not before then, of course.
I don't get those tiny margins between guys with very different performances, but oh well.
Contador has 80 in mine. RodrÃguez has 81. Froome has 85. Quintana has 82 so that by July in career he'll be 83
Quintana should be 83 then?
Sorry, posted before your edit
Edited by Chons07 on 18-07-2013 20:46
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 18-07-2013 20:46
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Van den Broeck needs higher MO 79-80, I think it's unfair to give him lower based on an abandon. The guy has been 4th in the last 2 TdF he rode, and without particular TT skills.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 18-07-2013 20:48
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issoisso wrote:
Pellizotti2 wrote:
RodrÃguez and Porte are fine at 81 and 80. They're clearly the best climbers at the Tour behind Froome and Quintana.
I'm also pretty sure we'll have good reason to reduce Contador to 79 after the next two days. But not before then, of course.
I don't get those tiny margins between guys with very different performances, but oh well.
Contador has 80 in mine. RodrÃguez has 81. Froome has 85. Quintana has 82 so that by July in career he'll be 83
True, but you can blame that partially on the small scale of PCM stats.
Also, I think there is no way Froome is 82. 83 or 84.
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 18-07-2013 20:51
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issoisso wrote:
I don't get those tiny margins between guys with very different performances, but oh well.
Contador has 80 in mine. RodrÃguez has 81. Froome has 85. Quintana has 82 so that by July in career he'll be 83
Interesting idea. Putting a rider on 85 feels like such overpowering that I've never really thought about it.
Coming to think of it, it's actually not that unrealistic when it comes to Froome.
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 18-07-2013 21:04
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I'd put Froome 84, Quintana 82, Purito 81/81, Porte 80, as I agree with Isso about the scales of the stats needing to be more spread out, but I also hate super high stats
Dont know where to put Valverde unbiasedly though. I'd lean to 81 more than 80, in the scale I've got, but I think Rodriguez is slightly better still.
Edited by valverde321 on 18-07-2013 21:07
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