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| issoisso |
Posted on 20-06-2013 13:25
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Ollfardh wrote:
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Ah, remembering the days when Devolder could climb, TT and win in Vlaanderen. 
Yup, he could win TDF and RVV in the same year 
In all seriousness, no matter how he won it, winning RVV twice is a strong achievement. There's probably better riders than him that never won it once, so the guy does deserve some credit for what he did.
But yeah, Devolder would be a better choice to help the team leader. Didier will probably climb to fast for Andy 
Strong as he was, here's how he won both:
Attack waaaaay before the time anyone else should
Then everyone else has 2 options
1. Chase, bringing Boonen and his superteam along
2. Don't chase, hope Devolder blows up from attacking so far away
2 was the best option so they went with it. Without Boonen as a teammate, Devolder did approximately nothing at the Ronde.
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 20-06-2013 13:36
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Alakagom wrote:
Sky
Froome
Porte
Kiriyenka
Lopez
Boassen Hagen
Stannard
Kennaugh
Suitsou
Thomas
No surprises. However thankfully they didn't bring Eisel this time. Superb team as expected.
Not picking Eisel will hurt them on the flat. Only Stannard and to a lesser extent Hagen will be good for helping Froome stay at the front. Kiri and Thomas are good on the flat aswell but are awfull at fighting for position/being at the front at the right time.
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| fosforgasXIII |
Posted on 20-06-2013 14:09
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Spilak23 wrote:
Alakagom wrote:
Sky
Froome
Porte
Kiriyenka
Lopez
Boassen Hagen
Stannard
Kennaugh
Suitsou
Thomas
No surprises. However thankfully they didn't bring Eisel this time. Superb team as expected.
Not picking Eisel will hurt them on the flat. Only Stannard and to a lesser extent Hagen will be good for helping Froome stay at the front. Kiri and Thomas are good on the flat aswell but are awfull at fighting for position/being at the front at the right time.
Ssssh, all we can do now is hope that he loses time on a flat/medium hill stage.
Sending Danny van Poppel to the TdF is really a weird decision, wait a few years at least and send him to the Vuelta/Giro first to get some GT-expierence like other teams do with most young riders. It looks like they just want to break the record of youngest Tour participant since 1947.
Also Boeckmans didn't really deserve his Tour spot, even Van Hummel or Feillu would've been a better choice imo.
Edited by fosforgasXIII on 20-06-2013 14:16
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| FreitasPCM |
Posted on 20-06-2013 14:10
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Sorry, but who in this world is Danny van Poppel? Never heard of him. |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 20-06-2013 14:11
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19 year-old Dutch sprinter.
https://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/...;current=0
Edit: He hasn't even raced any WT races yet. What are you doing Vacansoleil?
He'll be the youngest rider in le Tour since world war 2
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| SweatyViking |
Posted on 20-06-2013 14:21
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Why is Ted King in the Cannondale squad? |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 20-06-2013 14:36
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Because american sponsor demands american rider in the Tour and talentless hack is the only american they have
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 20-06-2013 15:35
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issoisso wrote:
Ollfardh wrote:
ppanther wrote:
Ah, remembering the days when Devolder could climb, TT and win in Vlaanderen.
Yup, he could win TDF and RVV in the same year
In all seriousness, no matter how he won it, winning RVV twice is a strong achievement. There's probably better riders than him that never won it once, so the guy does deserve some credit for what he did.
But yeah, Devolder would be a better choice to help the team leader. Didier will probably climb to fast for Andy
Strong as he was, here's how he won both:
Attack waaaaay before the time anyone else should
Then everyone else has 2 options
1. Chase, bringing Boonen and his superteam along
2. Don't chase, hope Devolder blows up from attacking so far away
2 was the best option so they went with it. Without Boonen as a teammate, Devolder did approximately nothing at the Ronde.
But my point was that he won. Not once, but twice. Not a lot of riders can say that.
Of course it helps with the perfect team strategy, and I believe one of those years was also when Cancellara famously walked off the Koppenberg backwards with his chain on his shoulders.
Anyway, back to the Tour, no surprises in the Lotto-Belisol selection. Greipel has his usual train and Van den Broeck gets De Clercq.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 20-06-2013 15:42
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Of course it helps with the perfect team strategy, and I believe one of those years was also when Cancellara famously walked off the Koppenberg backwards with his chain on his shoulders.
Cancellara was an absolute disaster that pre-season. Would not have played any role.
Devolder's first win in de Ronde was definatly because he was the strongest that year (from what I remember nobody could follow him).
The second one was definatly because of some great tactics by Peeters. Pozzato had shown in both E3 and de Panne that he was stronger as Boonen so they let Devolder attack on the Molenberg(?) I think it was. Pozzato then decided not to follow but send Ivanov behind him. No way Devolder would have won that one had Ivanov stayed with Pozzato to chase or had Pozzato simply followed Devolder.
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 20-06-2013 18:16
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 Team Movistar
 Andrey Bakkazakova Amador
Jonathan Nicolas Castroviejo
Imanol Ollo Erviti
 Rui Alberto Faria Da Costa
Jose Ivan Gutierrez Palacios
 Nairo Alexander Quintana Rojas
Jose Joaquin Rojas Gil
 Sylwester Szmyd
Alejandro Valverde Belmonte
No surprises. Very strong squad imo. One of the more experienced riders in the peloton (Gutierrez), two of the top class domestiques (Erviti, Szmyd).
The best team in the Tour for me. Will not be far off in the TTT either
Szmyd pulled Basso halfway up both Ax-3 Domaines and Alpe d'Huez and has been very strong on Ventoux aswell. He might be very important
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| Selwink |
Posted on 20-06-2013 18:19
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Dont think Rojas will do very well though
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| fosforgasXIII |
Posted on 20-06-2013 18:20
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Spilak23 wrote:
Team Movistar
Andrey Bakkazakova Amador
Jonathan Nicolas Castroviejo
Imanol Ollo Erviti
Rui Alberto Faria Da Costa
Jose Ivan Gutierrez Palacios
Nairo Alexander Quintana Rojas
Jose Joaquin Rojas Gil
Sylwester Szmyd
Alejandro Valverde Belmonte
No surprises. Very strong squad imo. One of the more experienced riders in the peloton (Gutierrez), two of the top class domestiques (Erviti, Szmyd).
The best team in the Tour for me. Will not be far off in the TTT either
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| fosforgasXIII |
Posted on 20-06-2013 18:21
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Selwink wrote:
Dont think Rojas will do very well though
Solid domestique for flat stages? |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 20-06-2013 18:24
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Selwink wrote:
Dont think Rojas will do very well though
He'll be there on stages were many other sprinters are not. Stage 2 and 3 for example. Plus having a sprinter never hurts with so many flat stages
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| Selwink |
Posted on 20-06-2013 18:25
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Spilak23 wrote:
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Dont think Rojas will do very well though
He'll be there on stages were many other sprinters are not. Stage 2 and 3 for example. Plus having a sprinter never hurts with so many flat stages
Well, he failed last year, for stage 2 and 3 there is someone whose first name is Peter and for the fully flat stages a certain mr Mark C., a mr Andre G and many more. I think fosforgasXIII might be right though
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| cunego59 |
Posted on 20-06-2013 18:26
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Selwink wrote:
Spilak23 wrote:
Selwink wrote:
Dont think Rojas will do very well though
He'll be there on stages were many other sprinters are not. Stage 2 and 3 for example. Plus having a sprinter never hurts with so many flat stages
Well, he failed last year, for stage 2 and 3 there is someone whose first name is Peter and for the fully flat stages a certain mr Mark C., a mr Andre G and many more. I think fosforgasXIII might be right though
He might not win a stage but some podium places behind Sagan/Degenkolb on the hillier stages could be possible and that would be a nice achievement as well.
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 20-06-2013 18:28
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I'd still say that Sky are stronger, but definitely an excellent squad.
I think you're overrating Szmyd, though. He has seemed to be in decline for the past year or so. Still a valuable team member of course, but I should think that both Amador and Castroviejo are better at the moment.
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 20-06-2013 18:30
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What Cunego says. There is Cavendish, Greipel and Sagan that will win sprints. Plus maybe Goss or the Argos duo.
All other sprinters will be fighting for a podium place. Rojas has a good chance to do so
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| Selwink |
Posted on 20-06-2013 18:33
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cunego59 wrote:
Selwink wrote:
Spilak23 wrote:
Selwink wrote:
Dont think Rojas will do very well though
He'll be there on stages were many other sprinters are not. Stage 2 and 3 for example. Plus having a sprinter never hurts with so many flat stages
Well, he failed last year, for stage 2 and 3 there is someone whose first name is Peter and for the fully flat stages a certain mr Mark C., a mr Andre G and many more. I think fosforgasXIII might be right though
He might not win a stage but some podium places behind Sagan/Degenkolb on the hillier stages could be possible and that would be
a nice achievement as well.
He only has two podiums this season, in the Trofeo Migjorn and in Paris-Nice. Last year, only won 1 stage, in the Basque country. Even though I would like it to be different, he will probably only be taken as a domestique, and I dont see him driving a top5, unless from a break
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Posted on 20-06-2013 18:34
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Rojas is everything but a winner. He's excellent at positioning and other sprint preparations, but lacks the necessary top speed.
If in good form, I expect a good number of top 10s from him.
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