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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 11-01-2013 18:44
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@Jesl
I want it at x10 a stage win. So a good Tour from a sprinter will put them in contention for individual rankings.
@ollfardh
Wear is a daily reward. The Giro+Veulta offer less points than the Tour and more than Monuments.
@fcancellara
All stage races need to work off the same reward system, and lower races wouldn't fit that sort of system quite so well
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 11-01-2013 18:57
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Ok First Draft of the WT points
Tour de France
Spoiler Stage Win 500
Stage Top3 400
Stage Top10 300
Wear Yellow 250
Wear KoM 200
Wear Points 200
Wear Youth 125
1st GC 5000
Top3 GC 4000
Top10 GC 3000
KoM 3000
Points 3000
Youth 2000
Team 2500
Giro + Vuelta
Spoiler Stage Win 475
Stage Top3 380
Stage Top10 285
Wear Yellow 238
Wear KoM 190
Wear Points 190
Wear Youth 119
1st GC 4750
Top3 GC 3800
Top10 GC 2850
KoM 2850
Points 2850
Youth 1900
Team 2375
Paris-Nice + Tirreno + Dauphine + Suisse
Spoiler Stage Win 450
Stage Top3 360
Stage Top10 270
Wear Yellow 225
Wear KoM 180
Wear Points 180
Wear Youth 113
1st GC 4500
Top3 GC 3600
Top10 GC 2700
KoM 2700
Points 2700
Youth 1800
Team 2250
Pais Vasco + Catalunya
Spoiler Stage Win 425
Stage Top3 340
Stage Top10 255
Wear Yellow 213
Wear KoM 170
Wear Points 170
Wear Youth 106
1st GC 4250
Top3 GC 3400
Top10 GC 2550
KoM 2550
Points 2550
Youth 1700
Team 2125
TDU + Eneco + Pologne
Spoiler Stage Win 400
Stage Top3 320
Stage Top10 240
Wear Yellow 200
Wear KoM 160
Wear Points 160
Wear Youth 100
1st GC 4000
Top3 GC 3200
Top10 GC 2400
KoM 2400
Points 2400
Youth 1600
Team 2000
Beijing
Spoiler Stage Win 375
Stage Top3 300
Stage Top10 225
Wear Yellow 188
Wear KoM 150
Wear Points 150
Wear Youth 94
1st GC 3750
Top3 GC 3000
Top10 GC 2250
KoM 2250
Points 2250
Youth 1500
Team 1875
Monuments
Spoiler Win 3000
Top3 2000
Top10 1500
Top20 1000
Gent + Amstel + Fleche
Spoiler Win 2850
Top3 1900
Top10 1425
Top20 950
San Seb + Plouay
Spoiler Win 2700
Top3 1800
Top10 1350
Top20 900
E3 + Vattenfall + Quebec + Montreal
Spoiler Win 2550
Top3 1700
Top10 1275
Top20 850
Pleas let me know what you think, and if i somehow missed a WT race
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 11-01-2013 19:00
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Well, I think the differences between them are too small. Winning TDU+Eneco+Pologne+Beijing equals winning all the GT's...
And I don't like Eneco being less points than the Spanish races, but that's because I'm Dutch 
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| mvhoogdalem |
Posted on 11-01-2013 19:05
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I think this is fine, no need to make it more complicated than necessary |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 11-01-2013 19:06
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Its a 5% drop in points per step
So Beijing is 75% the points of Le Tour. Bigger gaps would devalue the races too much. GT's are not that special. And it should, in theory, make the season as a whole more competitive as each race will matter.
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 11-01-2013 19:08
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Well, okay, it's fine...
And personally, since I don't have a major GC contender, it doesn't seem bad...
But people would ride Beijing+Pologne rather than TDF with their leaders, since Beijing+Pologne gives less race days, but way more points.
But if you think that this is better, then it's ok
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| mvhoogdalem |
Posted on 11-01-2013 19:10
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But the Tour is the Tour.. wouldn't you rather win the Tour than win Beijing / Pologne?  |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 11-01-2013 19:10
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But people would ride Beijing+Pologne rather than TDF with their leaders, since Beijing+Pologne gives less race days,
I think thats good. Cause it may force people to send stronger squads to limit the losses. Hope it spreads the competition.
But who will turn down a GT just to win those? A very dumb manager who isnt in the spirit of the game, thats who
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 11-01-2013 19:13
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Ok, you convinced me.
Will change my tactic marginally though, since some people who can Top 10 a GT, will now not ride 2 GTs, but 1 GT and some smaller races... 
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| ste_18 |
Posted on 11-01-2013 19:14
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I like the difference between the GT's (though Giro would give a bit more points than Vuelta) but Jesleyh is partially right. In GC victory there would be more difference between GT's and the other but that's me. Anyway in general it's a good system. |
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 11-01-2013 19:15
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I think that list looks really good but, as others have said, my only issue is with the gap between the Tour and the more minor WT races, surely Beijing is not 75% of the Tour? Considering that Beijing is less than 25% of the Tour in terms of stages; and doesn't have much prestige attached to it, surely it should be more around 50-60% range?
But otherwise I think it looks really good and the scale between the GT's and monuments is spot on.
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 11-01-2013 19:21
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But the grand tours are 3x the racedays of smaller stage races, so it would be very rewarding to skip the Grand Tours with your best riders and use their race days in smaller races to get more points.
In all, I think you should make bigger gaps. It should be all about winning and it's all about the big races.
Winning the TDF should be very incoparable. Getting a few top 10's in a different stage race shouldn't be the same.
Lastly, I like the way you're plaanning to split up races, but maybe you've overdone it a bit?
Paris-Nice + Tirreno + Dauphine + Suisse vs the rest should be enough
And then monuments - Wevelgem-Fleche-Amstel-San Sebastian - Rest maybe?
I'll adapt my first suggestion a bit, to include the good ideas here
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| juszta |
Posted on 11-01-2013 19:26
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I think Ollfardh and the others are right here, the gaps should be a bit bigger.
Edited by juszta on 11-01-2013 19:26
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| FroomeDog99 |
Posted on 11-01-2013 19:31
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juszta wrote:
I think Ollfardh and the others are right here, the gaps should be a bit bigger.
I agree, I could send a rider like Schleck to P-N and Catalunya instead of a GT, and if he won would have way more points and race days left than if he raced a GT |
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 11-01-2013 19:32
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| 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | | | GC | 1000 | 800 | 600 | 500 | 400 | 300 | 200 | | | GC3 | 500 | 400 | 300 | 250 | 200 | 150 | 100 | | | GC10 | 250 | 200 | 150 | 125 | 100 | 60 | 40 | | | ST | 100 | 80 | | 50 | | 30 | | | | | ST3 | 50 | 40 | | 25 | | 15 | | | | ST10 | 10 | 8 | | 5 | | 3 | | | | Points+Mountain | 400 | 320 | | 200 | | 120 | | | | Wear | 40 | 32 | | 20 | | 12 | | | | Youth+Team | 200 | 160 | | 100 | | 60 | | | Wear | 20 | 16 | | 10 | | 6 | | |
Tabel:
1 Tour de France
2 Giro + Vuelta
3 The 5 Monuments
4 Paris-Nice + Tirreno-Adriatico + Dauphiné + Tour de Suisse
5 E3 + Wevelgem + Amstel + Fleche Wallon + San Sebastian
6 Other World Tour Stage Races
7 Other World Tour Single Day Races
Edited by Ollfardh on 11-01-2013 19:35
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 11-01-2013 19:34
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@Ollfardh Nah, we're gonna stick with a system close to TMM I think... Maybe he does adjust them a bit though...
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 11-01-2013 19:37
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I know, just posting my suggestion
I think these numbers are a bit more focused on the important races, in case he wants to use them to scale a bit
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 11-01-2013 21:29
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Suggestions noted and ignored
Edited by TheManxMissile on 11-01-2013 21:29
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 15-01-2013 14:53
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I believe you said it already, but just to make sure:
NC's doesn't count for race days, do they?
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 15-01-2013 15:11
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Jesleyh wrote:
I believe you said it already, but just to make sure:
NC's doesn't count for race days, do they?
He said nor national nor world championships count as race days!
Edited by Ollfardh on 15-01-2013 15:13
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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