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PCMdaily DB Stat Discussion - PCM15
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 13-04-2016 20:11
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Fresh D wrote:
Could you please upload two separate db's the next time you make a stat update?
Namely one without doped or otherwise retired riders and one with all riders that rode the important 2016 races, because Gavazzi and Demoitie f.e. are now out of the DB and wreck my beloved startlists. 
That would be great.
Erviti should be made worldbeater in the coming update btw 
I'll mention about two separate db's to the rest of the team.
A rider like Erviti is very hard to get right, for the simple reason the game AI won't anticipate the type of race that he or a similar rider would do, which is to be a sleeper in the morning break and then still be strong enough to then keep up with the group of favourites once caught.
For example Erviti is going to have 76 flat and 75 cobble, without a doubt he's worth that and maybe even more. The problem is he rides for a weak cobble team and so is the clear leader of that team, which means the chances of him being in the morning break from where he did so well and both Flanders and Roubaix are almost zero, now if he were in a stronger team where he wasn't a leader that could be possible.
Hayman who now has even higher stats than Erviti is a similar issue, as he's now higher than the previous leader Keukeleire, again the chances of him being in the morning break are very slight. If Hayman were weaker than Keukeleire then he would probably get into a break but as he would be weaker if would defeat the point.
If the game allowed these type of riders with good stats into the early break even if they were leaders, then we could get riders like Hayman and Erviti to ride as they did and spring surprises.
I remember I once played an E3 where the morning break had some of its members hold the wheels of the favourites when they were caught and one of the riders in the breakaway Porsev then managed to beat Cancellara in the sprint but this type of thing hardly ever happens and on top of that Porsev wouldn't have been a team leader anyway.
Edited by Tafiolmo on 13-04-2016 20:17
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| Fresh D |
Posted on 13-04-2016 22:24
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Thanks for that.
The thing about Erviti was a joke^^
One year ago he was 60s in everything and now he can climb and cobble like a beast.
75 is enough I think, with good positioning you can reach the same results in top 10 like he did.
The AI will hopefully be thoroughly fixed for the next game, if there is a next game. |
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 13-04-2016 22:45
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Fresh D wrote:
Thanks for that.
The thing about Erviti was a joke^^
One year ago he was 60s in everything and now he can climb and cobble like a beast.
75 is enough I think, with good positioning you can reach the same results in top 10 like he did.
The AI will hopefully be thoroughly fixed for the next game, if there is a next game.
Well Erviti is in fashion at the moment and yes he was a mostly 60s rider not so long ago.
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| Jorge14 |
Posted on 14-04-2016 08:35
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For Erviti i would gave something like that:
Flat:72
Mountain:68
Hill:74
Fight:78
Cobbles:75/76
Time-Trial:72
Prologue:72/73
Downhil: 70
Endurance: 74
Resistance: 73
Recovery:67
Potential Could be 3
I Think this might be the most realistic version of Erviti, any opinion will be good. |
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| jandal7 |
Posted on 14-04-2016 08:51
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afaik with pot 3 he'd suddenly go up due to some db thingy, or was that fixed for pcm15?
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 14-04-2016 09:06
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Jorge14 wrote:
For Erviti i would gave something like that:
Flat:72
Mountain:68
Hill:74
Fight:78
Cobbles:75/76
Time-Trial:72
Prologue:72/73
Downhil: 70
Endurance: 74
Resistance: 73
Recovery:67
Potential Could be 3
I Think this might be the most realistic version of Erviti, any opinion will be good.
There are some issues with these stats for Erviti, as it's strange to have a rider with a cobble stat quite a few points higher than his flat stat at this level, also he has no history as a cobble specialist. A high FS doesn't work either as that's not often needed to get into the morning break. Also when in the break he's content to ride in the group and not attack. When caught by leaders his aim is then to hold the wheels which is kind of the opposite of a high FS (admittedly though by that time most riders in a break would have little energy to attack anyway) Also STA needs to be higher, which enables him to at least last the distance, 74 STA is an endurance level where a rider would struggle to do well at this distance.
Edited by Tafiolmo on 14-04-2016 09:15
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| irdalopez |
Posted on 14-04-2016 10:27
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Tafiolmo the next update stats after Liège - Bastogne - Liège? |
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 14-04-2016 10:52
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irdalopez wrote:
Tafiolmo the next update stats after Liège - Bastogne - Liège?
I estimate about a week after the LBL which would be the end of April. Also might include Romandie as well depending when the db gets released.
Edited by Tafiolmo on 14-04-2016 10:54
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 14-04-2016 11:13
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In my opinion Erviti deserves:
Flat:75
Mountain:70/71
Hill:72
Fight:73
Cobbles:75/76
Time-Trial:72
Prologue:73
Endurance: 73/74
Resistance: 72/73
Recovery:73/74
Potential 3
Recovery high, and flat because if you forgot those cobblets stats, Erviti goes always to Tour de France & Vuelta a España because he is very important for the team in the flat stages |
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 14-04-2016 11:30
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If Erviti gets 75/76 COB, Tony needs to get a t least 75 as well. He Split the field and he managed to hold off a big strong Pack for a long time.
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| matt17br |
Posted on 14-04-2016 11:30
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Wait wait wait please don't misunderstand potentials. In pcm 15 (and on a Lower note before then) a low potential for a rider with mostly 70s as its top stats will result in him decreasing as soon as the career starts. Especially for eviti who is in his mid 30s,riders in their 30s will decrease very soon in pcm 15. His potential will most likely be 4 or 5. So make no mistake, strong riders with high stats, like the really top tier riders, will need about 7 potential to develop and decrease realistically, and so on.
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 14-04-2016 11:36
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No way, Martin is of course good on the flat, but he's kinda bad on the cobbles. I agree it's a bit odd because time trialers usualy do good on the cobbles, but it didn't really work for Tony.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 14-04-2016 11:41
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Ollfardh wrote:
No way, Martin is of course good on the flat, but he's kinda bad on the cobbles. I agree it's a bit odd because time trialers usualy do good on the cobbles, but it didn't really work for Tony.
Tony said he Split the group, whilst he wasn't even pushing(on the cobbles, btw)
Sure, he is no Boonen, that's why he got burned out quick. He kinda decided Roubaix and if you rate that lower, than to survive a lucky big ass break, you got to be kidding me. Tony already had 73, so 75/76 isn't a big buff. Even with 76 COB, he would've been the weakest in the group. Also, he did all the effort, so no wonder that they dropped him sooner or later.
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 14-04-2016 12:18
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These will be the stats for Erviti with just a few that need to be decided.
Flat:76
Mountain:71
Hill:73
Fight: TBD
Cobbles:75
Time-Trial:70
Prologue:69
Endurance:76
Resistance: TBD
Recovery:72
T.Martin should be ok with 74 cobble because his flat is a huge 81 and his RES is 77 the joint top in the whole game. With these stats he could split the group easy, also worth remembering is that the group was split early as well, where less of a high cobble stat is needed, especially if there is a red section on the Roubaix route.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 14-04-2016 12:20
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I believe Erviti's cobbles shouldn't be this high because of two results in his entire career, personally. With enough flat and resistance and for example 72 COB, you could get his results in RvV and PR. But with this COB stat he'll ride consistent results in all cobbled races and perhaps even win lower cobbled races and that's not very realistic.
At least that's my opinion. |
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| Jorge14 |
Posted on 14-04-2016 12:21
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Tafiolmo i think 72 Recovery is too much and the mountain, and increase the timetiral/prologue a little bit, is decent on that. |
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 14-04-2016 12:27
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The problem is that the game AI probably won't allow him to get into an early break anyway unless his cobble stat is lower. Now if his cobble stat were lower say at 72 and Amador was designated as TL he could get in that early breakaway but as his tats would be lower who would just be another breakaway rider, who when caught wouldn't do too much.
If you overpower his RES that could be odd.
As he can't be accurately created better to turn him into an outsider that can ride cobbles and maybe that way he could hopefully finish in the top 20 of the big cobble classics and a top 10 of lesser ones.
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 14-04-2016 12:29
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Jorge14 wrote:
Tafiolmo i think 72 Recovery is too much and the mountain, and increase the timetiral/prologue a little bit, is decent on that.
As a Movistar rider he's part of what is probably the third best mtn climbing team in cycling. So to recreate this in game, I often give some Movistar riders an extra point more than if they were in other teams that are not so good at climbing. His TT result are not that great, had one good result this year which had a climb, but he is a good TTT man where his flat would help a lot.
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| Gentleman |
Posted on 14-04-2016 18:39
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matt17br wrote:
Especially for eviti who is in his mid 30s,riders in their 30s will decrease very soon in pcm 15. Such a shame that the game kind of sees cyclists around that age as 'over the top' and generally start degenerating them. I like the more random method for how some riders decline and some don`t around a particular age, but I like how Erviti seems to start producing in all kind of ways in his 'old age'. Now that`s a late bloomer  |
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| Anderis |
Posted on 15-04-2016 06:39
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What about Lukasz Owsian? In the last update I've downloaded, he was only 63 MO and 66 HI, but he's had some solid results this year. 15th in Vuelta Ciclista a la Region de Murcia (finished in the group with Samu Sanchez, Atapuma etc.), 28th overall in Vuelta a Andalucia (despite average TT) and 43th in recent Brabantse Pijl.
I suggest something like 66 MO and 68 HI.
Van Baarle not to be underestimated. He was in the wrong part of the split in both E3 and Roubaix. In E3 he was the only one who tried to follow Cancellara when he made the jump to the front group and in Roubaix he bridged the gap to Cancellara and Sagan when they made their acceleration. I think his legs were better than his results in those races and with better positioning he could've finished all 3 (E3, Flanders, Roubaix) races in top10.
I don't feel lke 76 COB would be overestimating him at all, but maybe I'm biased. |
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