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| TimoCycling |
Posted on 10-07-2013 18:39
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Waghlon wrote:
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@Waghlon Are you beeing ironic?
I am painting the walls with pure irony, baby!
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 10-07-2013 18:39
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TimoCycling wrote:
You really believe the lame steak excuse? LOL talk about being naive...
I'm merely exercising the same amount of trust in Contador as many people are showing Froome.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 10-07-2013 18:40
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issoisso wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
IncredibleIan wrote:
I'm 25
25 years and you are still as nieve as a 3 year old believing in Santa.
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Definitely. 
Edited by baseballlover312 on 10-07-2013 18:42
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| Mwuhi |
Posted on 10-07-2013 18:40
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Why you all can't just stop nagging about doping.
It's not like you can win the tour with just doping. You still need to train damn hard, they do that. They give up many years of their lifes. And then nag about something that helps them not to be an old cripple man when they quit, or atleast help them with fulfilling our expectations?
Damn, the world is crazy. |
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| TimoCycling |
Posted on 10-07-2013 18:40
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Waghlon wrote:
TimoCycling wrote:
You really believe the lame steak excuse? LOL talk about being naive...
I'm merely exercising the same amount of trust in Contador as many people are showing Froome.
Well Froome hasn't been caught with anything yet, whereas Contador has been caught. I guess that makes Froome more credible. |
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| masch20 |
Posted on 10-07-2013 18:41
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I believe Sky are clean,as well as Froome...others might not believe it,that's up to them.
People have different opinions on things and i accept them..
If you think Froome is doped than thats your opinion...for me he is clean and i am just enjoying TDF.
And also i hate when people wish someone to crash in cycling(which i have seen very often directed to Froome and sky)thats just poor.
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 10-07-2013 18:41
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TimoCycling wrote:
Oh wait, because I defend the two Belkin boys?
Well atleast I have arguments to defend them, and you don't know this, but in the Netherlands you are burned to the ground if you dope, the whole media will follow you and judge you. Unlike other countries... I don't see any reason as to why they would dope and I genuinely believe they didn't dope.
I don't see "gradual improvement" as a valid argument, since it could just as well indicate that the rider started doping already as an U23 rider or junior.
Otherwise we have no reason to believe that Contador was doped before 2010, since he gradually improved the years before that.
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 10-07-2013 18:42
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Mwuhi wrote:
Why you all can't just stop nagging about doping.
Because this should be about who's the best on the bike, not who has the best doctor
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| issoisso |
Posted on 10-07-2013 18:42
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masch20 wrote:
People have different opinions on things and i accept them..
No you very clearly don't
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 10-07-2013 18:43
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TimoCycling wrote:
Well Froome hasn't been caught with anything yet, whereas Contador has been caught. I guess that makes Froome more credible .
Because bilharzia (sp?) is totally a credible story
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| masch20 |
Posted on 10-07-2013 18:44
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alexkr00 wrote:
masch20 wrote:
I have a question for you all?
Why cant you appreciate his talent and enjoy it...why people always doubt something that is amazing!
Why can't you just appreciate Ten Dam's talent and enjoy it?
well yeah i was angry when i made Ten Dam and Mollema comments,i hope they are clean, i hope everyone is clear. i was just mad at that time! |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 10-07-2013 18:45
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Pellizotti2 wrote:
TimoCycling wrote:
Oh wait, because I defend the two Belkin boys?
Well atleast I have arguments to defend them, and you don't know this, but in the Netherlands you are burned to the ground if you dope, the whole media will follow you and judge you. Unlike other countries... I don't see any reason as to why they would dope and I genuinely believe they didn't dope.
I don't see "gradual improvement" as a valid argument, since it could just as well indicate that the rider started doping already as an U23 rider or junior.
Otherwise we have no reason to believe that Contador was doped before 2010, since he gradually improved the years before that.
Eufemiano and Pepe Martà beg to differ.  And while it's true that a gradual improvement is not enough to be sure that a cyclist is clean, it's certainly a better sign than a big, sudden performance jump in your late 20s/early 30s.
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| TimoCycling |
Posted on 10-07-2013 18:45
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Pellizotti2 wrote:
TimoCycling wrote:
Oh wait, because I defend the two Belkin boys?
Well atleast I have arguments to defend them, and you don't know this, but in the Netherlands you are burned to the ground if you dope, the whole media will follow you and judge you. Unlike other countries... I don't see any reason as to why they would dope and I genuinely believe they didn't dope.
I don't see "gradual improvement" as a valid argument, since it could just as well indicate that the rider started doping already as an U23 rider or junior.
Otherwise we have no reason to believe that Contador was doped before 2010, since he gradually improved the years before that.
We have a reason to believe Contador was doped before 2010 because he actually was caught... Ten Dam has never been suspicious or anything and has improved every year. If he doped since U23 he should have gotten way better results... Why is 6th in the GC so weird by the way? He was up there in last year's Vuelta aswell. He will probably drop a few spots and finish like 8th, nothing extreme in my opinion. |
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| masch20 |
Posted on 10-07-2013 18:48
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issoisso wrote:
masch20 wrote:
People have different opinions on things and i accept them..
No you very clearly don't
well that's not for you to decide! |
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| TimoCycling |
Posted on 10-07-2013 18:48
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Waghlon wrote:
TimoCycling wrote:
Well Froome hasn't been caught with anything yet, whereas Contador has been caught. I guess that makes Froome more credible .
Because bilharzia (sp?) is totally a credible story
True, but bear in mind I'm not defending him, just saying I will only react to hard evidence;P. If it's proved i'll judge him, if not he is just awesome? |
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 10-07-2013 18:50
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masch20 wrote:
issoisso wrote:
masch20 wrote:
People have different opinions on things and i accept them..
No you very clearly don't
well that's not for you to decide!
Trust me. It is.  |
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| Mwuhi |
Posted on 10-07-2013 18:50
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alexkr00 wrote:
Mwuhi wrote:
Why you all can't just stop nagging about doping.
Because this should be about who's the best on the bike, not who has the best doctor
For example, if I pay dr. Fuentes 100 billion dollars for getting my the best doping ever, I still won't win the big races. Sure it helps, but you still need to train like a beast. And therefore, it doesn't really matter. It is about the people who are the best on the bike, as long as you think everyday that someone wins, doping is involved.
We'd a time doping was in the culture. True that, and yes it is hard to believe that someone can even times of doped riders, but yes it is easy to believe that new scientific research have helped about how to ride a goddamn bike. And yes, other training methods could be usefull too.
It is not all about doping, doping only helps like 10% if you used it. Training is all the rest, and maybe even more. Or do you think that 10 years ago, they trained the same way as nowadays? Or is science(see windturbines and so on) still on the same level? No way, it can go faster and faster as the bike, the riderpositions, the training methods improve. And yes, there might be doping and yes it is suspicious, but why nag about it if nothing is proved. Froome can just drive that bike way faster then the others, so that means that the others need to train better. Simply as that. |
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| masch20 |
Posted on 10-07-2013 18:50
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Again would people be happy if Froome is indeed clean and is just very good? Or do you want for him to be doper?
Edited by masch20 on 10-07-2013 18:51
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 10-07-2013 18:52
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TimoCycling wrote:
We have a reason to believe Contador was doped before 2010 because he actually was caught... Ten Dam has never been suspicious or anything and has improved every year. If he doped since U23 he should have gotten way better results... Why is 6th in the GC so weird by the way? He was up there in last year's Vuelta aswell. He will probably drop a few spots and finish like 8th, nothing extreme in my opinion.
Contador certainly wasn't the best example, but I was too lazy to find another doper who've improved gradually over the years.
Take Nibali instead, then. Discounting his amazing 2010, he has steadily progressed upwards since 04/05.
Also, please note that I'm not accusing Mollema or Ten Dam of anything. I'm just saying that you can't tell people to shut up and claim that there's absolutely no way they're not clean just because they've developed gradually rather than making a big jump at some point.
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| tsmoha |
Posted on 10-07-2013 18:53
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masch20 wrote:
issoisso wrote:
masch20 wrote:
People have different opinions on things and i accept them..
No you very clearly don't
well that's not for you to decide!
Given your comments so far, it's no decision to say you don't.. It's a fact.
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