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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 27-07-2014 11:53
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Ian Butler wrote:
1. No Nibali there
See Tour De France 2012
Ian Butler wrote:
No Contador in top shape
Of course Contador in top shape in Tour De France
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3. Quintana wasn't leader and was already ahead of the climb (I think).
lol Quintana was leader and tried to get a head start by attacking former, because he knows that, he cannot run with Froome attacking first time.
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4. That's a year ago. This year's Froome is nowhere near that guy. Contador is the other way around, much stronger this year. So you can't base their stats on only 1 season, but you have to see the bigger picture.
Froome: Best climber in TDF 2012, 2013 and 2014 until he was crash.
Contador: Rodriguez better climber in Vuelta 2012 than Contador, Fromme better than Contador in 2013 and 2014 until he was crash.
Edited by Arberg27 on 27-07-2014 12:01
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| TimoCycling |
Posted on 27-07-2014 11:53
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Jesleyh wrote:
Don't forget that Dumoulin actually finished 2nd in his last 3 TTs now. Guess who came first every time? Martin.
Dumoulin is easily 78, possibly 79.
There's just nobody coming close to Martin as long as it's relatively flat.
Also, Barta had some more great TTs throughout the season, it's not an one-off. 
He came in first in the Nationals though .
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 27-07-2014 11:59
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Arberg27 wrote:
Ian Butler wrote:
1. No Nibali there
Tour De France 2012
Ian Butler wrote:
No Contador in top shape
Of course Contador in top shape in Tour De France
Ian Butler wrote:
3. Quintana wasn't leader and was already ahead of the climb (I think).
lol Quintana was leader and tried to get a head start by attacking former, because he knows that, he cannot run with Froome attacking first time.
Ian Butler wrote:
4. That's a year ago. This year's Froome is nowhere near that guy. Contador is the other way around, much stronger this year. So you can't base their stats on only 1 season, but you have to see the bigger picture. Froome best climber in 2012, 2013 and 2014 until he was crash.
Just because it's the Tour doesn't mean Contador is in top shape he's had some difficulties getting into top shape since his suspension. This year he's had more luck than 2012 and 2013.
Quintana wasn't the leader, Valverde was. Otherwise he wouldn't have attacked earlier.
And it's Tour 2013, not 2012. Nibali wasn't there. |
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| Naskela |
Posted on 27-07-2014 11:59
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Tour De France 2012
You know you lost the argument when you bring up results two years back.
Of course Contador in top shape in Tour De France ¨
In that case should Joaquim be higher than Contador? again old results.
lol Quintana was leader and tried to get a head start by attacking former, because he knows that, he cannot run with Froome attacking first time. If you Seriously believe that you shouldn't be allowed making those arguments  . the whole team were protecting Valverde until the last week.
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 27-07-2014 12:17
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Froome 85
Edited by Arberg27 on 27-07-2014 12:19
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| Dancycling |
Posted on 27-07-2014 12:22
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Look. The only real showdown between Contador and Froome this year was Dauphine Stage 2. If I remember correctly, Froome didn't gap Contador so both should have the same mountain stat whilst Froome has a better hill stat to compensate for the uphill sprint |
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| bajbar |
Posted on 27-07-2014 12:35
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Col de Madone time is from a week before the tour last year. The stats should be at least 75% based on the results this year. Contador sucked last year, so he got the stat of 80 (or was it even 79). This year he has constantly beaten Froome (and everyone else for that matter) on mountain stages (with the exception of col du Beal, which was his second race day after almost two months without racing). I think based on this season it would be unrealistic for Froome to have higher mountain stat than Contador. And besides, even Porte had better time up Madone last year than Armstrong and look where is he now... |
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| Dusen |
Posted on 27-07-2014 12:37
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I think Contador and Froome should be death even in MO stats.
Contador has really stepped up his game this season. |
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| dark_x2012 |
Posted on 27-07-2014 12:39
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Dancycling wrote:
Look. The only real showdown between Contador and Froome this year was Dauphine Stage 2. If I remember correctly, Froome didn't gap Contador so both should have the same mountain stat whilst Froome has a better hill stat to compensate for the uphill sprint
Say whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat 
Froome better hill???????
Contador beats one of the best punchers in the world in the hilly Basque Country andyou say Froome deserves more hill for doing a 700m highly suspicious uphill sprint using an anchlor!!! Also, PCM doesn't work this way and hill has nothing to do with that stage.
Otherwise I agree with the equal mountain stat.
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| Dusen |
Posted on 27-07-2014 12:42
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dark_x2012 wrote:
Dancycling wrote:
Look. The only real showdown between Contador and Froome this year was Dauphine Stage 2. If I remember correctly, Froome didn't gap Contador so both should have the same mountain stat whilst Froome has a better hill stat to compensate for the uphill sprint
Say whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat
Froome better hill???????
Contador beats one of the best punchers in the world in the hilly Basque Country andyou say Froome deserves more hill for doing a 700m highly suspicious uphill sprint using an anchlor!!! Also, PCM doesn't work this way and hill has nothing to do with that stage.
Contador was the aggressor on the 2 stage of the Tour. Froome was only hanging on and counter attacked when the hill was fadding out.
Contador is imo 1-2 stats better in hill. Froome is like 2-3 stats better in TT imo so it evens out i think
Not sure about RES and alle the other support stats. |
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| dark_x2012 |
Posted on 27-07-2014 12:49
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And could anyone post supportive stats cuz I really don't have an idea for them? After those crazy solo attacks by Contador in Tirreno and Dauphine and Quintana's solo in the Giro I am really confused. |
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| Dancycling |
Posted on 27-07-2014 21:31
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dark_x2012 wrote:
Dancycling wrote:
Look. The only real showdown between Contador and Froome this year was Dauphine Stage 2. If I remember correctly, Froome didn't gap Contador so both should have the same mountain stat whilst Froome has a better hill stat to compensate for the uphill sprint
Say whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat
Froome better hill???????
Contador beats one of the best punchers in the world in the hilly Basque Country andyou say Froome deserves more hill for doing a 700m highly suspicious uphill sprint using an anchlor!!! Also, PCM doesn't work this way and hill has nothing to do with that stage.
Otherwise I agree with the equal mountain stat.
Well actually it does because the mountain stat, on a mountain stage, is replaced by the hill/sprint coefficient in the last km of so. That being said Contador probably is a better puncher and I think Froome has a better sprint stat at the moment so it doesn't really matter. |
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 27-07-2014 21:32
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Dancycling wrote:
dark_x2012 wrote:
Dancycling wrote:
Look. The only real showdown between Contador and Froome this year was Dauphine Stage 2. If I remember correctly, Froome didn't gap Contador so both should have the same mountain stat whilst Froome has a better hill stat to compensate for the uphill sprint
Say whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat
Froome better hill???????
Contador beats one of the best punchers in the world in the hilly Basque Country andyou say Froome deserves more hill for doing a 700m highly suspicious uphill sprint using an anchlor!!! Also, PCM doesn't work this way and hill has nothing to do with that stage.
Otherwise I agree with the equal mountain stat.
Well actually it does because the mountain stat, on a mountain stage, is replaced by the hill/sprint coefficient in the last km of so. That being said Contador probably is a better puncher and I think Froome has a better sprint stat at the moment so it doesn't really matter.
No it isn't. There is also a mtn:sprint ratio for that reason. On a mtn stage it is completely the mtn that judges the final km.
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 27-07-2014 21:48
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Arberg27 wrote:
Froome 85
Armstrongs time was taken during a Tour stage, Froome's was from training, where he just started at the bottom of the climb and didn't ride 100+km beforehand. (IIRC)
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| Dancycling |
Posted on 27-07-2014 21:55
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baseballlover312 wrote:
Dancycling wrote:
dark_x2012 wrote:
Dancycling wrote:
Look. The only real showdown between Contador and Froome this year was Dauphine Stage 2. If I remember correctly, Froome didn't gap Contador so both should have the same mountain stat whilst Froome has a better hill stat to compensate for the uphill sprint
Say whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat
Froome better hill???????
Contador beats one of the best punchers in the world in the hilly Basque Country andyou say Froome deserves more hill for doing a 700m highly suspicious uphill sprint using an anchlor!!! Also, PCM doesn't work this way and hill has nothing to do with that stage.
Otherwise I agree with the equal mountain stat.
Well actually it does because the mountain stat, on a mountain stage, is replaced by the hill/sprint coefficient in the last km of so. That being said Contador probably is a better puncher and I think Froome has a better sprint stat at the moment so it doesn't really matter.
No it isn't. There is also a mtn:sprint ratio for that reason. On a mtn stage it is completely the mtn that judges the final km.
Really! I've never heard of that. Forget all of what I said then. So in the uphill sprint ratio the uphill part is determined by the mo/hi coefficient, which is then put into a coefficient with sprints. Also, I though the sprint always had a minimum value of .3 |
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| matt17br |
Posted on 28-07-2014 16:44
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I think that we should wait for Vuelta to have a better stats situation...
For now: Contador-Quintana-Froome surely 83.
Nibali 82 (but I'm sure he deserves 83, too)
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| alex199412 |
Posted on 28-07-2014 17:01
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zubeldia needs higher REC aroung 79 or 80 this guy ist the impersonated consistence and always being good over 3 weeks
i ask myself if peraud and pinot should have the same mountain stat or pinot should have one more, because peraud is always hanging in but i never ever saw him attacking 
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| sammyt93 |
Posted on 28-07-2014 17:16
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alex199412 wrote:
zubeldia needs higher REC aroung 79 or 80 this guy ist the impersonated consistence and always being good over 3 weeks
i ask myself if peraud and pinot should have the same mountain stat or pinot should have one more, because peraud is always hanging in but i never ever saw him attacking
I'd say Peraud should have 1 stat higher MO as he was climbing better then Pinot and was the only one who could follow Nibali (clearly not on Nibali's level as Nibali later dropped him), but Pinot should have higher ACC and possibly FI aswell because he was more attacking.
That said Peraud knew he wasn't going to be able to attack Nibali as Nibali would just take off and it was often just the 2 of them, whereas Pinot was normally climbing with Bardet, Valv, TJ etc. who are guys he could attack.
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| owneole |
Posted on 28-07-2014 18:01
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i really hope for the next databases that are being made you guys actually put kristoff up there with the three bests. There is no doubt that is deserves a spot there.
And sagan, shouldnt really have sucha high spurt i think, same with bos.
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 28-07-2014 18:46
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The three bests aren't the ''three bests'' anymore
Kittel is the best now.
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