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Sky Doping/Hate Thread
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| issoisso |
Posted on 09-07-2013 23:02
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mowinckel91 wrote:
I feel sorry for Froome. heres no connection to a doctor
Oh look, another guy who's extremely misinformed
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 10-07-2013 09:11
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hillis91 wrote:
Spilak23 wrote:
Care to explain why Froome (clean) rides faster up Ax-3 than a doped up Armstrong did? On a high quality bike that is.
Why did that timetrial specialist never even came close to the u23 wc title when he hada good bike?
Get your facts straight before using them as an argument. Froome is not a cheater, at least not until proven guilty.
And the fact that people are even saying that, and that piece of shit press confrence from the rest day. Is a compleat disgrace to the sport. As long as the media keep pushing the dope issue constantly, the sport will never get the room to get more attention and grow.
Nor will it ever come even close to sorting the issue out. Some cycling "fans" can do great impressions of ostriches. |
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| Cossack |
Posted on 10-07-2013 09:28
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IMHO a great comparison of Froome-Armstrong will be Alpe d'Huez, as Armstrong rode a TT there, so no more "didn't ride hard before 2 km to go" arguments will be valid. |
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 10-07-2013 09:30
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Cossack wrote:
IMHO a great comparison of Froome-Armstrong will be Alpe d'Huez, as Armstrong rode a TT there, so no more "didn't ride hard before 2 km to go" arguments will be valid.
Froome should by rights go slower though as that was a TT and this will be at the end of a tough mountain stage. Would be incredible if he turned in a similar time. |
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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 10-07-2013 09:34
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wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
Cossack wrote:
IMHO a great comparison of Froome-Armstrong will be Alpe d'Huez, as Armstrong rode a TT there, so no more "didn't ride hard before 2 km to go" arguments will be valid.
Froome should by rights go slower though as that was a TT and this will be at the end of a tough mountain stage. Would be incredible if he turned in a similar time.
If he actually came close to Lance's TT time. That would be 100% proof for me. |
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| cosmic |
Posted on 10-07-2013 12:46
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I doubt he'll ride Alpe d'Huez that fast though. By then his GC lead will probably be 4-5 minutes, so he'll just have to stick with a couple of the closest on GC all the way up. Maybe kill them off the last km for a stage win. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 10-07-2013 12:55
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Cossack wrote:
no more "didn't ride hard before 2 km to go" arguments will be valid.
Who would ever use such an argument?
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| issoisso |
Posted on 10-07-2013 12:57
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I just saw this and banged my head against my desk. Literally.
mowinckel91 wrote:
The times up to Ax-3 cant be compared with what Lance did because Lance only rode hard from 2 K to go where Sky kept the pace from the bottom. Enjoy the amazing performance and leave Froome alone until you have a more solid fact to put your finger on! I'm sure as hell amazed!
The previous day, Armstrong, a uniquely determined and angry individual, who was mostly motivated by revenge and establishing superiority, had suffered the most humilliating defeat of his entire 18 year career. At the hands of his greatest rival, who wiped the floor with him in his specialty discipline, the time trial by a jaw dropping difference of 1m36s.
Your argument is that, the very next stage, with his 5th record equalling Tour de France win that would put him at the level of the greatest of all time, at stake......Armstrong was cruising until 2km to go? Is that seriously what you're arguing? 
EDIT: And as for the part where you flat out lie saying that Froome had a train and Armstrong didn't, here's the cyclingnews live report:
16:36 CEST
Heras and Beltran up the pace at the bottom of the climb and some of the riders who got back on the descent are in trouble immediately.
Beltran doesn't last long; Heras is leasding Armstrong with Ulrich riding almost alongside him, Vinokourov close behind.
So, to recap. Armstrong's train consisted of two of the best climbers in the world, including a 4 time GT winner burying himself to get Armstrong up the mountain faster. Froome still went faster.
Edited by issoisso on 10-07-2013 13:02
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| Wilier |
Posted on 10-07-2013 13:09
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Sky isn't called 'UK Postal' for nothing. Armstrong did the same, making his domestiques go up the mountain as hard as possible. They even managed to turn a classics specialist Hincapie into a world class climber. |
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| Ybodonk |
Posted on 10-07-2013 13:26
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Humanity loves being blind so let the kids be  No reason to convince them now, they will learn and mature.
On a side note. If Sky existed back in the day, I imagine Bradley McGee, Millar, Zabriskie and Cancellara being transformed into winning the Tour on shift. The rider profile matches very well of riders who transforms to GT winners |
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| Rzrassman |
Posted on 10-07-2013 16:41
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Can someone plz explain how "Marginal Gains" training method improve a Stage racer to the level of a Specialist TT Rider?
Okay I can understand Tony Martin is not 100% after the crash but just 12 sec off the pace is sitll unbelievable ???
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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 10-07-2013 16:53
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Im sorry but Froomebot is definitely doped. This is just plain ridiculous how a man with such horrible position on the TT bike can produce times threatning worlds best TT specialists. IT IS NOT POSSIBLE. |
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 10-07-2013 16:57
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Froome's time in the Alpe d'Huez is going to be what I hope the last nail in the coffin. Armstrong TT time is goign to get beaten after already one pass in the Alpe de Huez and almost 200km's of riding before hitting the final ascend. That's going to reveal everything I hope. |
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| Abelbaba |
Posted on 10-07-2013 16:57
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Kirchen_75 wrote:
Im sorry but Froomebot is definitely doped. This is just plain ridiculous how a man with such horrible position on the TT bike can produce times threatning worlds best TT specialists. IT IS NOT POSSIBLE.
Sky just has the budget to implement an engine in his bike |
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| Rzrassman |
Posted on 10-07-2013 16:59
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I really dont know much about TT but guys I thought TT was about a high resistence level(Ability to ride at a quick pace for a certain amount of time).
Can one explain how position influences TT?(barring the basic TT position)
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| Abelbaba |
Posted on 10-07-2013 17:01
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it influences the aerodynamics, how more aerodynamic you are the less energy you need to reach a certain speed |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 10-07-2013 17:07
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Important things for TT's are: The power you can produce, your position on the bike, your technique to take turns (not imporant on this one)
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| IncredibleIan |
Posted on 10-07-2013 17:22
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Just because he is going faster than ever before does not mean that Froome or any of Sky are doping.
Usain Bolt set a new world record when people before him took drugs. Does that mean that he must have taken drugs??
The drug that Armstrong mainly used was EPO which stimulates the production of red blood cells. Froome was born and lived at 6000ft in Africa so genetically he will naturally have more red blood cells than Contador or Armstrong. Also the oxygen dissociation curve for Froome will be shifted to the left favouring the loading of oxygen meaning Froome can exercise aerobically for longer and harder than Contador and Armstrong.
No matter how many high altitude training camps Contador or Armstrong would do they would struggle to shift their dissociation curves to the left as they and their families were not born and did not live at an altitude of above 3000ft.
Please stop wasting your time saying that he MUST have doped when you dont even know how hard he has trained.
I would take this all back if he was doping but I know that he isnt so:
GET A LIFE AND STOP MAKING EXCUSES AS TO WHY HE IS SO GOOD!! |
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 10-07-2013 17:23
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Aaw, another fanboy. How adorable!
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 10-07-2013 17:25
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Rzrassman wrote:
I really dont know much about TT but guys I thought TT was about a high resistence level(Ability to ride at a quick pace for a certain amount of time).
Can one explain how position influences TT?(barring the basic TT position)
0,9 x P = (rau / 2) . S.Cx x V^3
0,9 P (in Watts) : the power to beat wind resistance (the 10 other percent are used to beat various mechanical resistance)
rau (in kg/m^3) : air density, it goes down when air heats up, but it's around 1,2 or 1,19, generally
S.Cx : S (in m²) is the surface exposer to the wind, Cx (no unit) is the ratio between the frontal surface and the actual surface, it qualifies and quantifies aerodynamics. S.Cx is the frontal surface of the bike + cyclist. One quarter to one third of the frontal surface is caused by the bike alone
V (in m/s) is the speed of the rider, relative to the speed of the wind
A TT position reduces the S.Cx by about 20 % compared to a normal bike position with hands down the bars.
TT is about producing the most power, and the most constant power, over the predicted length of the effort. It's a threshold effort (when it's longer than a dozen of minutes). Back in the days, all efforts above threshold were indeed named "resistance", but it's gotten more detailed now.
edit here : this means that riders generally have to produce 80 to 90 % of their maximal aerobic power. The best combination of strength and RPM to achieve that generally involves a high number of RPM (frequency of the pedalling movement).
Hope this helps. 
Edited by Aquarius on 10-07-2013 17:27
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