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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 08-07-2013 21:57
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jph27 wrote:
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Kimmage asked how Kennaugh lost 5kg since Romandie, which is Sky's excuse for PK having zero results or performances until the Tour, then suddenly being so strong.
He spouted so much bullshit on Twitter that he lost 5kg? Or he contracted some obscure disease?
Didn't you hear? The Isle of Man has a greater gravitational pull so when Peter was last weighed he was actually the same weight, just that he was weighed in the wrong place.
But eriously. Sky are sounding more and more dodgy ecry single time either of them talk. And its also funny to watch Boardman try and defend them 
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 08-07-2013 22:17
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I guess Good Ol' Chris knows his credibility won't live until the end of this month, so he's defending Sky while he can.
Some French journos bought Aicar (oops, I gave the answer to PK's question - uh well, they share the same initials this is getting bemusing now), but just for a small dose it cost them something like 500 €, and they could last, I'm not sure, but perhaps one day with it.
I know Sky has a budget of biblical proportions, but I doubt they could afford buying so much, all year long, for their whole roster, not even mentioning that the most people know the secret, the most it's likely one of them will talk. |
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 08-07-2013 23:29
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If you want a detailed, balanced look back at the implications of stage 8-9 I found the latest at Science of Sport interesting https://www.sportsscientists.com/2013/...ables.html
If you "desire an answer that should ideally fit into 140 characters so that it can be tweeted" (his words not mine) it's not for you!
Looking forward to their updates throughout the race, especially post the big mountain stages. |
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| Ybodonk |
Posted on 08-07-2013 23:44
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Spilak23 wrote:
Mayo won Alpe d'Huez in 2003 then won the Dauphine in 2004. (Fastest time ever on the Ventoux in the timetrial). He was supposed to be the rider keeping Armstrong from his 6th Tour. Peaked too early that year, abandond the tour and never return to his old form
I know all this, i followed his career very closely. And still do check his blog 
What I meant about "what happened", is more what happened to Mayo behind the curtains. Did he not have the guts to dope the same way as in 2003, and in Dauphine 04 ? Was he afraid, and mentally beaten ?
Something defitanely happened. Then he came back and came 2nd in the first Mountain stage in 07. I was euphoric, but it was a short joy.
BTW i have looked for countless of hours to find Video from Dauphine 2004, can anyone provide a link or a torrent ? Do this race even exist on the interwebs ?
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| Ybodonk |
Posted on 08-07-2013 23:51
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issoisso wrote:
On the Mayo subject, a former teammate of his on the u-23 team spoke out.
Essentially he said the 'general knowledge' on Mayo is dead on the money: He was psychologically weak and crumbled when Armstrong had that meeting with the UCI to complain that Mayo was on something new that he didn't like, after which the UCI started warned Mayo and started testing him very frequently.
Yep, Armstrong has a lot of pull.
Issoisso i do not doubt any of your word. This is some of the info I was looking for. This could be some of the things affecting him, and illustrates what was going on behind the curtain. This is some serious and interesting read. Do you have a link for above mentioned interview ? Would love reading it.
And F.ck the UCI for being the most corrupt sports organisation in the world. Yes McQuaid and Verbruggen was as guilty as Armstrong and the whole peloton. Everyone should man up and take their responsibility, I hated Armstrong, but I never considered him to be the bad guy alone. Everyone is guilty. D.ckheads did really hunt Mayo the 2006-2007. Often testing, often spreading rumours. And they knew everyone was doped, god damnit I get frustrated and mad. |
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| Ybodonk |
Posted on 09-07-2013 00:09
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Aquarius wrote:
I guess Good Ol' Chris knows his credibility won't live until the end of this month, so he's defending Sky while he can.
Some French journos bought Aicar (oops, I gave the answer to PK's question - uh well, they share the same initials this is getting bemusing now), but just for a small dose it cost them something like 500 €, and they could last, I'm not sure, but perhaps one day with it.
I know Sky has a budget of biblical proportions, but I doubt they could afford buying so much, all year long, for their whole roster, not even mentioning that the most people know the secret, the most it's likely one of them will talk.
I never thought this Aicar was working ? I did read something about it 1-2 years ago, being the new weight loss miracle. 500 euro ?
2moths of a relatively high dose of Clentuberol costs around 100 euro here in DK, which i guess is more expensive compared to other countries.
Furthermore clen is used as the number one fat burning substance. If Aicar is classified as doping, on the same level as Clen etc. Then why on earth would Sky by Aicar instead of Clen ?? |
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 09-07-2013 06:39
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Ybodonk wrote:
Spilak23 wrote:
Mayo won Alpe d'Huez in 2003 then won the Dauphine in 2004. (Fastest time ever on the Ventoux in the timetrial). He was supposed to be the rider keeping Armstrong from his 6th Tour. Peaked too early that year, abandond the tour and never return to his old form
I know all this, i followed his career very closely. And still do check his blog
What I meant about "what happened", is more what happened to Mayo behind the curtains. Did he not have the guts to dope the same way as in 2003, and in Dauphine 04 ? Was he afraid, and mentally beaten ?
Something defitanely happened. Then he came back and came 2nd in the first Mountain stage in 07. I was euphoric, but it was a short joy.
BTW i have looked for countless of hours to find Video from Dauphine 2004, can anyone provide a link or a torrent ? Do this race even exist on the interwebs ?
Cyclingtorrents.nl 
Dauphine and Suisse 2003 are in english. 2004 versions there are none in english and it looks like only Stage 6 and 7 in Spanish, but it doesn't look like it has any seeds anyway.
I've been downloading tons of races where Mayo did well this afternoon though.
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| Ybodonk |
Posted on 09-07-2013 10:51
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valverde321 wrote:
Ybodonk wrote:
Spilak23 wrote:
Mayo won Alpe d'Huez in 2003 then won the Dauphine in 2004. (Fastest time ever on the Ventoux in the timetrial). He was supposed to be the rider keeping Armstrong from his 6th Tour. Peaked too early that year, abandond the tour and never return to his old form
I know all this, i followed his career very closely. And still do check his blog
What I meant about "what happened", is more what happened to Mayo behind the curtains. Did he not have the guts to dope the same way as in 2003, and in Dauphine 04 ? Was he afraid, and mentally beaten ?
Something defitanely happened. Then he came back and came 2nd in the first Mountain stage in 07. I was euphoric, but it was a short joy.
BTW i have looked for countless of hours to find Video from Dauphine 2004, can anyone provide a link or a torrent ? Do this race even exist on the interwebs ?
Cyclingtorrents.nl
Dauphine and Suisse 2003 are in english. 2004 versions there are none in english and it looks like only Stage 6 and 7 in Spanish, but it doesn't look like it has any seeds anyway.
I've been downloading tons of races where Mayo did well this afternoon though.
What did you download then ? I know most of the races he done well in.
Damn i just signed up to download the Mont Ventoux TT and it wasnt there. Can anyone help with that?
Damn no seeds on the 2006 dauphine stage win either
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| Eden95 |
Posted on 09-07-2013 12:05
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Just curious as to certain climbs being timed in the Tour (or any other races for that matter), I read this article not long ago which states there is no timing of climbs:
https://www.ridemedia.com.au/?p=10280
Also, on their facebook page -https://www.facebook.com/RIDECyclingR...ion=stream , the editor of this certain magazine seems to almost defend Froome and Sky stating that before accusations are made, evidence must be shown (Wonder where i've heard that before?). I also completely understand that they're probably the largest cycling magazine in Australia and saying anything anti-Froome/Sky would probably end with quite a negative result, but still?
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 09-07-2013 22:01
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There's no official timing, they use TV footage to know when riders passed a certain point, and they divide climbs in several segments so that they can check if their figures make a global sense or not. |
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| Iscycling |
Posted on 09-07-2013 22:14
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fcancellara wrote:
Sky clean, except for Froome.
As I already said in the stage thread:
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Wiggins, okay.
But Froome?
He never really did anything good until last years Vuelta, where he suddenly finished second, and now he is crushing the time of the strongest time triallist in the world?
I have a feeling Sky, or at least Froome, is not clean...
Chris Froome is clean. Do you know how Chris Froome was discover? He was discover in a time trial in Africa in a cup where every professional african riders race. Froome with an old bike, weeker than the bikes of the opponents made 3rd. He was always an time trial specialist, so it´s normal he beat the best riders in the world on time trial. In him first year on sky he was a unknown man, but he did second on british time trial championship behind Bradley Wiggins just for 1m. In last Tour de France evryone stayed behind wiggins for more than one minute, so what is the doubt about time trial' capacities of Froome? Enjoy the cycling and dont try destroy it.
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 09-07-2013 22:15
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| Bikex |
Posted on 09-07-2013 22:15
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Iscycling wrote:
fcancellara wrote:
Sky clean, except for Froome.
As I already said in the stage thread:
fcancellara wrote:
Wiggins, okay.
But Froome?
He never really did anything good until last years Vuelta, where he suddenly finished second, and now he is crushing the time of the strongest time triallist in the world?
I have a feeling Sky, or at least Froome, is not clean...
Chris Froome is clean. Do you know how Chris Froome was discover? He was discover in a time trial in Africa in a cup where every professional african riders race. Froome with an old bike, weeker than the bikes of the opponents made 3rd. He was always an time trial specialist, so it´s normal he beat the best riders in the world on time trial.
Hahahahaha yeah for sure |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 09-07-2013 22:17
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Care to explain why Froome (clean) rides faster up Ax-3 than a doped up Armstrong did? On a high quality bike that is.
Why did that timetrial specialist never even came close to the u23 wc title when he hada good bike?
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 09-07-2013 22:34
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Spilak23 wrote:
Care to explain why Froome (clean) rides faster up Ax-3 than a doped up Armstrong did? On a high quality bike that is.
Why did that timetrial specialist never even came close to the u23 wc title when he hada good bike?
To hell with you fact checkers. Just enjoy the legend and immense talent that Chris is.  |
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Posted on 09-07-2013 22:39
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I feel sorry for Froome. All he has done is riding fast on his bike, theres no connection to a doctor or a lot of riders bringing him up as a name they connect to doping. The bikes are better and trainers have learned more about training and getting the perfect peak of a riders form. The times up to Ax-3 cant be compared with what Lance did because Lance only rode hard from 2 K to go where Sky kept the pace from the bottom. Enjoy the amazing performance and leave Froome alone until you have a more solid fact to put your finger on! I'm sure as hell amazed! |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 09-07-2013 22:40
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Geert Leinders became his teams doctor before the 2011 Vuelta.
His roomate in the 2008 Tour got caught for epo
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| hillis91 |
Posted on 09-07-2013 22:41
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mowinckel91 wrote:
I feel sorry for Froome. All he has done is riding fast on his bike, theres no connection to a doctor or a lot of riders bringing him up as a name they connect to doping. The bikes are better and trainers have learned more about training and getting the perfect peak of a riders form. The times up to Ax-3 cant be compared with what Lance did because Lance only rode hard from 2 K to go where Sky kept the pace from the bottom. Enjoy the amazing performance and leave Froome alone until you have a more solid fact to put your finger on! I'm sure as hell amazed!
Are you on drugs sir? What you are saying right now is completly absured!
Edit: A joke ofc.
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| Andro |
Posted on 09-07-2013 22:42
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mowinckel91 wrote:
I feel sorry for Froome. All he has done is riding fast on his bike, theres no connection to a doctor or a lot of riders bringing him up as a name they connect to doping. The bikes are better and trainers have learned more about training and getting the perfect peak of a riders form. The times up to Ax-3 cant be compared with what Lance did because Lance only rode hard from 2 K to go where Sky kept the pace from the bottom. Enjoy the amazing performance and leave Froome alone until you have a more solid fact to put your finger on! I'm sure as hell amazed!
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| hillis91 |
Posted on 09-07-2013 22:44
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Spilak23 wrote:
Care to explain why Froome (clean) rides faster up Ax-3 than a doped up Armstrong did? On a high quality bike that is.
Why did that timetrial specialist never even came close to the u23 wc title when he hada good bike?
Get your facts straight before using them as an argument. Froome is not a cheater, at least not until proven guilty.
And the fact that people are even saying that, and that piece of shit press confrence from the rest day. Is a compleat disgrace to the sport. As long as the media keep pushing the dope issue constantly, the sport will never get the room to get more attention and grow.
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