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| knasen |
Posted on 09-04-2009 12:09
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Ferdainand Bruckner that ride for Team ARBÖ Denzel Cliff Wilding is in the same doping gang as Christoph Kerschbaum. Not easy to be a Austrian cycling fan. |
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| Rin |
Posted on 09-04-2009 13:00
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CrueTrue wrote:
rodda wrote:
 finally we won't sound desperate claiming him as an Australian
Nope, but the Germans will in the future 
Somehow you need to have results
When it isn´t a german then an australian who was in germany that will also work 
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| issoisso |
Posted on 09-04-2009 14:55
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Here's the final decision on the case of Manolo Sáiz doping his riders.....
Guilty.
Besides half the current squads of the Astana and Caisse teams, many other riders "coached" by Saiz are still active.
This particular case refers to 1998 and 1999. Riders who rode for Saiz those years and who are still active are David Cañada, Iñigo Cuesta, Carlos Sastre, José Iván Gutierrez, Isidro Nozal, and a few other "personalities" *cough Bruyneel cough* |
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Posted on 09-04-2009 15:05
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You should get something done to that cold Isso it could kill you On a serius note, none of thoose names can be surprising.
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 09-04-2009 15:16
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I still didnt dope on this day..see! how happy I look on this picture..is this dope user face..? |
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Posted on 09-04-2009 17:28
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https://www.cyclin...apr09news3
What an f'ing joke. If ever there was a question of whether or not the French were out to get Armstrong no matter what, there can be no doubt about it now.
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| Macquet |
Posted on 09-04-2009 17:56
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Honestly he went in to take a shower, what do they think he has a magic decontamination booth that "washed" away evidence of doping. That is why they take blood and hair as well, because those "markers" stay with you much longer than urine....Unless he went and shaved his hair all off and put himself through a total blood transfusion there can be no complaint about the samples taken. |
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 09-04-2009 18:06
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Honestly, i'm all for fairness but surely in this case it's just "the AFLD testers word against Armstrongs"
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 09-04-2009 18:06
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"We told the tester we wanted to check with the UCI to confirm who he was and to make sure he wasn't just some French guy with a backpack and some equipment to take my blood and urine.
...translation.." Go and F__k yourself!" |
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 09-04-2009 18:08
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Lance Armstrong on twitter
"Was winning the tour 7 times that offensive"
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| Wiggo |
Posted on 09-04-2009 18:11
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Yes, actually Lance, it was. And Boring. |
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Posted on 09-04-2009 18:15
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For those who are intrested, the AFLD's press release. Says nothing intresting to be honest.
https://www.afld.f...strong.pdf
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| issoisso |
Posted on 09-04-2009 18:43
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Macquet wrote:
Honestly he went in to take a shower, what do they think he has a magic decontamination booth that "washed" away evidence of doping. That is why they take blood and hair as well, because those "markers" stay with you much longer than urine....Unless he went and shaved his hair all off and put himself through a total blood transfusion there can be no complaint about the samples taken.
A simple saline injection can be prepared and taken in about ten seconds.
It normalizes most of your blood values attained through doping.
Which is why the rider is usually woken in the middle of the night or surprised out of nowhere and not allowed to leave. Because until the UCI decided to wake Pantani up to test him in the middle of the night at the 99 Giro, riders would just take saline injections and have normal blood values within seconds |
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Posted on 09-04-2009 19:08
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A simple saline injection would not change the results of a hair sample, nor would it remove any PED's that may be in the system, while it may help to reduce the RBC count it would not help if you were testing for a specific drug.
Just out of curiosity how would you know about the "miracle" injection.
I know that you will think that I am just defending Armstrong, but really the French are way out of line on this one. They could not find anything so now they want to pin him on a technical flaw, and use that as evidence that they were right all along.
Would there be this much of an uproar if it was everyone's golden boy Andy Schleck, I suppose not. |
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Posted on 09-04-2009 19:43
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Macquet wrote:
A simple saline injection would not change the results of a hair sample, nor would it remove any PED's that may be in the system
And neither of those are the purpouse.
Macquet wrote:
Just out of curiosity how would you know about the "miracle" injection.
What do you mean?
Macquet wrote:
I know that you will think that I am just defending Armstrong, but really the French are way out of line on this one. They could not find anything so now they want to pin him on a technical flaw, and use that as evidence that they were right all along.
To me it's equally likely that they're lying or that he's lying.
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Would there be this much of an uproar if it was everyone's golden boy Andy Schleck, I suppose not.
In my mind there would. In the minds of the blind fans, there wouldn't. Because to their blind eyes it's obvious the Schlecks are a shining beacon of cleanliness.....just like for so many years we had to put up with blind fans swearing on their lives that Basso, Vinokourov, etc. were clean. Now they're silent.
It's a cycle that repeats itself. In a few years, it'll be common knowledge that rider X "was doped back in 2009", but right now those same people will swear there's not a chance in hell of that.
Such is the way the cycle goes....on and on and on and on and on and.....well, you get the picture.
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Posted on 09-04-2009 20:33
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I was just saying that if it were possible to hide doping with a simple injection, why would they not find a way to slip in an injection while out on the road so that they don't test positive, you could easily conceal a needle in a feed bag or stuffed in a banana...I'm of course being sarcastic...I am not just singling you out isso in regards to this, I think people just have a bias against Armstrong because he was successful and are now looking for the "I told you so" evidence that hey have been unable to come up with thus far.
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Posted on 09-04-2009 20:35
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issoisso wrote:
Macquet wrote:
Just out of curiosity how would you know about the "miracle" injection.
What do you mean?
a poor attempt to insinuate that perhaps you had some experience with doping, jokingly of course. |
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Posted on 09-04-2009 20:46
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Macquet wrote:
I was just saying that if it were possible to hide doping with a simple injection, why would they not find a way to slip in an injection while out on the road so that they don't test positive
Not conceal all doping, but blood values will be made far more normal. It's highly effective. And the reason they don't "slip one in" is because the chaperones are there at all times. Once a rider is designated for a test, he will have a chaperone following him around at every single moment until he finishes the stage and provides a sample.
The chaperone has one simple job: he must not under ANY circumstances let the rider out of his sight for even a fraction of a second. Which is why Armstrong's "he said it would be okay" story is highly unlikely.
It's exactly the same as saying "I asked the security guard if I could go in the bank with a loaded gun and he said 'sure, go right ahead'".
Macquet wrote:
I think people just have a bias against Armstrong because he was successful and are now looking for the "I told you so" evidence that hey have been unable to come up with thus far.
Oh yes they do, that's clear. It's also clear that the chance he rode clean is zero.
I especially liked Armstrong's response to the proposed tests to clean his name...... "Yeah, no thanks, I know all the third party impartial experts who looked at the samples say the lab stored it in perfect condition, but I'm just gonna go ahead and tell people they didn't and hope they'll believe me"
As an aside, I was reading the Ashenden interview the other day, and I thought it was funny how (when talking about Armstrong's higher concentration of EPO at the prologue than at other stages) he casually mentioned that all samples of everyone tested at the prologue were positive.
Now, we have no idea who the randomly tested riders were, but the top 3 of every stage were tested....so that's Zülle and Olano right there. heh.
Macquet wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Macquet wrote:
Just out of curiosity how would you know about the "miracle" injection.
What do you mean?
a poor attempt to insinuate that perhaps you had some experience with doping, jokingly of course.
Does copious amounts of coffee in college count?
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Posted on 09-04-2009 21:24
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I hope not, me and Juan Valdez go way back. |
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| Ste117 |
Posted on 10-04-2009 02:21
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I wish the French will leave Lance alone.
I feel sorry for him because he chose to come out of retirement and hes getting all this thrown at him never mind the amount of times there testing him. Its unfair. |
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