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| ianrussell |
Posted on 17-05-2015 09:58
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Maybe but I seem to remember seeing similar trends in even one day races. The top guys HR data suggests they aren't going as deep as you'd think whereas the top performing lesser known riders are exactly where you'd expect them to be.
Granted I need to look at more data and HR only tells you so much (if the numbers and zones are even accurate) but still it confuses me.
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| Shonak |
Posted on 17-05-2015 10:06
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Well, in long climbs it's normal that the better climbers have a lower heartrate - compared to lesser climbers - because they can ride the group's pace with less effort? Whilst lesser good climbers have to "fight" to keep the pace. This way, their heartrate must be higher, even with slower times.
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 17-05-2015 10:19
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Shonak wrote:
Well, in long climbs it's normal that the better climbers have a lower heartrate - compared to lesser climbers - because they can ride the group's pace with less effort? Whilst lesser good climbers have to "fight" to keep the pace. This way, their heartrate must be higher, even with slower times.
Yes but only so much was ridden in the pack. The last 4-5km or so he should have be going hard as it was every man for himself. He appeared to be doing that on screen but the HR data doesn't show the same level of effort as I'd expect. From what I can tell he was dropped while riding at a tempo heart rate. I'm sure he was trying, other factors could be more important or the data could simply be wrong but as it stands it just seems a bit odd to me.
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| Ybodonk |
Posted on 17-05-2015 11:58
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The field is not that much weaker. It fits perfectly with Sagan being lighter than previous, and a bit slower in the sprints 
Gesink, Dumb, Henao, Zubeldia, Ten Dam which all are riders climbing better than Sagan.
However Sagan has played with the thought of transforming into GC rider since he has the watts to pull it off. Perhaps this was the first step. The 2x5 attacks each from Henao and Alaphillippe was the best mountain duel this year IMO  |
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 17-05-2015 12:35
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Lighter? No way Sagan is lighter. The ammount of muscle mass he has has made him more heavy than before. |
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| Strydz |
Posted on 17-05-2015 13:04
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Sagan certainly isn't lighter this season, if anything he looks to have bulked up a little more
Hells 500 Crew and 6 x Everester
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| Ybodonk |
Posted on 17-05-2015 13:12
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Miguel98 wrote:
Lighter? No way Sagan is lighter. The ammount of muscle mass he has has made him more heavy than before.
Amount of muscle mass? Well he was heavyer pre-season perhaps due to too much drinking. But muscle mass thats a bit outrageous to say. Im a certified personal trainer and enjoys body building since i cant ride bike like before nor play soccer. If sagan has gained more muscle mass, it cant be more than 500-1000g of pure muscle mass, taking anatomy in mind and taking the little weight differences these guys has.
A natural bodybuilder living theoritical perfect, can maximum take 4-5kg of pure musclemass on in a year (pure musclemass discounts any other weight increase in water retention and fats). Furthermore sagan cant have taken much on, since he would have to bulk up, probably spend much time in a gym etc.
So no Sagan has certainly not taking much weight on in pure muscle mass.
For the sake of the argument, where exactly do think this hypothetical extra muscle mass is on sagan? In his legs? In his skinny arms? In his no existing pecs or deltoids? .. To much broscience sorry. |
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 17-05-2015 13:32
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For the sake of the argument, in his legs.  |
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| Ybodonk |
Posted on 17-05-2015 13:35
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Miguel98 wrote:
For the sake of the argument, in his legs.
Physiologically and anatomically that is not possible for a guy whos already that muscular in the legs on a such short time period. Perhaps with anabolic steroids and HGH, but im not sure.
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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 17-05-2015 13:59
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Just seen the results and wow. This is batshit crazy Alaphilippe wins a mountain stage and Sagan finishes 6th WTF!? |
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| Strydz |
Posted on 17-05-2015 14:21
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Kirchen_75 wrote:
Just seen the results and wow. This is batshit crazy Alaphilippe wins a mountain stage and Sagan finishes 6th WTF!?
Weak field
Hells 500 Crew and 6 x Everester
Don Rd Launching Place
Melbourne Hill Rd Warrandyte
Colby Drive Belgrave South
William Rd The Patch
David Hill Rd Monbulk
Lakeside Drive Emerald
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 17-05-2015 14:43
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Miguel98 wrote:
For the sake of the argument, in his legs.
I agree with you there, i noticed last night that his calf muscles were massive compared to the others !! |
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| Kritzo |
Posted on 17-05-2015 19:22
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This sprint is going to be exciting!
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 17-05-2015 19:33
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Sagan 3rd I think
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| Nin1388 |
Posted on 17-05-2015 19:34
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Sagan YAY!! |
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 17-05-2015 19:35
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Sagan wins. Booooo
Also, Daniel Oss signs with Tinkoff for 2016 |
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| Kritzo |
Posted on 17-05-2015 19:36
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Sagan takes it! 
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| Malkael |
Posted on 17-05-2015 19:36
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Close one for Peter Sagan.
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| Omloop |
Posted on 17-05-2015 19:36
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Deserved victory |
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| deek12345 |
Posted on 17-05-2015 19:38
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what a way to win a race buy a tyre lengh
Edited by deek12345 on 17-05-2015 19:38
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