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EPIC - Giro d'Italia 2013
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 19-04-2014 12:05
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Love it!  Great way to wrap up what has definitely been an action-packed first week. Bring on the second week 
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| The Rider |
Posted on 19-04-2014 12:37
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A nice overview. 
-- The two stage wins goal for RadioShack is still on the cards. If Fabian takes out the upcoming TT and perhaps Zubeldia can get into a mountain breakaway? Kiserlovski has looked good so far for a top 10 overall.
-- This first week in the race is another reminder of how 'OP' the custom riders are, especially considering they are likely to get a lot better. |
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| Cycleman123 |
Posted on 19-04-2014 12:46
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Really happy with GreenEdge's performance so far. As long as Gerro stays in the Top 10 at least until the start of the mountains, he could get the Top 15 goal, but it's looking good for Albasini. He should pass all the following easily:
Cancellara
Vanmarke
Bennati
Hanzen
Gerrans
That would put him in 16th, and he should be able to overtake Visconti, and one of the AG2R men, as one will help the other. Also, there aren't many people behind him that should come as much of a threat (although there are some, like Evans and Basso). Looking good for the goal
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 19-04-2014 13:15
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Gerrans Top 15? Hmm, interesting. I think he'll lose tons of time in the mountains.
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| Selwink |
Posted on 19-04-2014 13:21
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Albasini is more likely leader, but I can't see him get far either. I think only Meyer and Weening would have had a chance of top-15 for OGE.
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 19-04-2014 13:23
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Agreed, not sure why they're not here.
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 19-04-2014 13:24
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Hmm there are several people that could take 11/2 to 2 minutes out of either of those two who are also better on the mountains and not far behind in terms of time. Will be close, but I think it would need a breakaway to work in your favour
EDIT: Meant to say 2 minutes in the TTs, somehow missed that out when I was posting.
Edited by Stromeon on 19-04-2014 15:50
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| Cycleman123 |
Posted on 19-04-2014 13:34
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Like Shonak said, if Gerrans stays in there for the next few stages, his chances will go up. I think Albasini is more than capable though
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 19-04-2014 13:40
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Hope the Mountains will bring a fresh approach to the Lampre boys |
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| brewers90 |
Posted on 19-04-2014 14:09
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This race is horseshit. The old man revs up his legs, gets a clear gap and the organisers ruin his pension plan. 
And I echo what Atlantius said, this AI is really frustrating. The leader of the entire race just casually slips away and nothing happens behind. Sure...
@Cycleman, you are severely overestimating your guys' climbing abilities. If either of them get into the top 15 at the end of this race, you can quote this post and I'll make a public apology. As Jesleyh said, you should have brought Weening, the Giro suits him.
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| The Hobbit |
Posted on 19-04-2014 15:48
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I am very proud of my Bardiani boys. Even if we haven't win anything, or aren't winning anything, we are getting lots of mentions, which is great. Hopefully we'll manage a 100% breakaway record. |
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| Shonak |
Posted on 19-04-2014 16:24
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Cycleman123 wrote:
Like Shonak said, if Gerrans stays in there for the next few stages, his chances will go up. I think Albasini is more than capable though
Yes, the longer he stays in there, the more likely it gets. That doesn't mean that it has good chances. Guy has under 70 MO, normally there shouldn't be a hint of a chance for him but with this AI, anything can happen. I think it's possible with Albasini though. I mean, I don't really know the whole stats of every rider, better ask Jesleyh.
@brewers90: Yes. The AI is a pile of garbage. PCM 2012 isn't perfect but at least the teams are chasing. Or at least in most cases. I don't own PCM 2013 for long but it has been clear from the start that a Grand Tour is just a confusing let-down. If'd be up to me, Tour and Vuelta should be done with PCM 2012 and then there's PCM 2014 around the corner anyways.
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| Shonak |
Posted on 19-04-2014 16:40
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Another thing about the AI and the general level: The Giro (and all other races) happen in a "sealed-off environment". There's no point before or after for the riders, there's no form. So I think that the riders contest just way stronger than the usually would. A guy like Vanmarcke, as an example, wouldn't be close to Top 15 by now. His focus lies differently. But because they all have great form, they all stay in pack. Of course, the game treats Vanmarcke like this is some season goal for him, when it's not.
Cyanide's AI is a fragile baby. Slight stat changes alter the behavior of the AI and the riders. Everybody in great awesome shape... it's definitely a problem. Maybe that's a reason why people don't chase? Or in another way, maybe they are missing the general incentive they have in Career mode? Dunno, maybe someone like lluuiiggii knows more about it.
The Rider also mentioned that the EPIC riders are overpowered. I completey agree. While I like to see Hanzen and Brouwer contest, it's not good for the EPIC game (story-wise) that they end up contesting in such a way at the Giro d'Italia. Good sprinters like Nizzolo, they don't stand any chance. It'd be nice to see EPIC riders at the front now and in breakaways (like all those 18 year olds) and take wins now and then, but this is the first season and guys like Brouwers and Hanzen are dominating sprints, Po-Ding is slapping Wiggins through half of Europe and the armada of 80 Cobblers mess up the balancing of cobblestone stages, and basically the greatest rivalry of the sport (Boonen vs. Cancellara). Now of course, it's reasonable to want to have great riders, but already at the start? It's just too early in my opinion.
Edited by Shonak on 19-04-2014 17:28
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| nacho63 |
Posted on 19-04-2014 17:57
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I agree with many of your points, maybe having riders start at 23 was a little too old?
The AI doesn't give any other riders a chance to race really every hilly stage and harder. I can see Betancur winning 4,5 stages... After seeing AToC, it's easy to see there is no balance in the AI, it's one extreme to the other, maybe PCM14 will come out soon enough for part 3, assuming it's worth racing on. |
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| The Hobbit |
Posted on 19-04-2014 18:23
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Yeah, everyone should just be like Cervero...
I don't like custom riders winning either, but maybe that's because it's never my custom rider.... |
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| Neillster |
Posted on 19-04-2014 18:24
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There's no problem at all with the AI  |
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 19-04-2014 18:25
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No, not Albasini either, he's hardly better than Gerrans in the mountains.
@Custom Rider thingy
I think the ages were a bit too high indeed, a lot of riders got really OP. I know, I am guilty, having focussed on custom riders with Europcar and having one of the strongest custom riders(though his stats aren't even OP, just balanced too well ), but that's just how you play EPIC, so I don't regret it.
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 19-04-2014 18:35
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nacho63 wrote:
I agree with many of your points, maybe having riders start at 23 was a little too old?
The AI doesn't give any other riders a chance to race really every hilly stage and harder. I can see Betancur winning 4,5 stages... After seeing AToC, it's easy to see there is no balance in the AI, it's one extreme to the other, maybe PCM14 will come out soon enough for part 3, assuming it's worth racing on.
yeah that's not gonna happen. would break the game
@Jesleyh, Custom Rider thingy
you mean I didn't play the game right  that's the biggest shock I've gotten since being voted out of Big Brother
Edited by SSJ2Luigi on 19-04-2014 18:40
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| Shonak |
Posted on 19-04-2014 19:21
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There won't be another stage today as I'm real tired, need catch up on some sleep and leave later. It'll probably continue after AGR tomorrow.
The Hobbit wrote:
Yeah, everyone should just be like Cervero...
I don't like custom riders winning either, but maybe that's because it's never my custom rider....
But you wanted Cervero to be just like one of that guys. If you succeeded, he'd mess up the Ardennes classics in some way or another.
@Jesleyh: It's not the age of the riders. It's the points. Too many points and the way they were allowed to be distributed. However, Ollfardh knows this issues already and I think he'll come up with something. Also, this is not the place to discuss that anyway. I just got taken away at some point, sorry for that guys.
Edited by Shonak on 19-04-2014 19:33
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 19-04-2014 19:33
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I know Shonak, but a lower age is less points, so we meant the same
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