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Armstrong stops fighting doping charges - USADA wants him banned and stripped for titles
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| dienblad |
Posted on 24-08-2012 20:37
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Pellizotti2 wrote:
jsh312mufc wrote:
the UCI have released a statement saying that the USADA have no right to strip armstrong of his titles and have asked them to show what grounds they have to do so. This ain't over yet.
No surprise there. They've always protected him.
Not only that.... The USADA has decided something that they have no authority about. Only the UCI can strip him from the wins. Something about 2 men arguing who has the biggest d*ick.
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| Maddrengen |
Posted on 24-08-2012 20:39
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My family says: Let him keep the victories, if not because he's innocent, then because he was so good to hde it" 
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 24-08-2012 20:41
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Maddrengen wrote:
My family says: Let him keep the victories, if not because he's innocent, t hen because he was so good to hde it" Apparently he failed at some point there. |
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| Maddrengen |
Posted on 24-08-2012 20:43
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He did for 7 years so...
EDIT: Actually he did (asuming that USADA is correct in the fact he have been doped since 96) for 16 years 
Edited by Maddrengen on 24-08-2012 20:45
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| pcm2009fan |
Posted on 24-08-2012 20:49
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RedDisciple wrote:
I don't know about you guys but I started watching cycling in the 2009 edition of Le Tour de France.Yes, I started because Lance returned.Before this, I considered cycling a boring sport and I never watched it before.All I knew back then was that Lance won Le Tour seven times, and I wanted to watch the "hero" that everybody was talking about.I didn't knew about doping or stuff like this, I just enjoyed watching Lance riding his bike.Of course, after this I started to learn about cycling and about the doping scandal, but I didn't started to hate Lance or something like that.Yes, I think he was doped and I also think he influenced a lot of riders to do the same but I repeat, I don't hate him, and I will never hate him.I can't hate the man that made me watch this beautiful sport.He must pay if he is guilty, but that's not our problem.
I agree with you on this. Sometimes people need to get over themselves and accept that life is flawed... perfect logic is rarely music for the soul.
For the record, my very first cycling memory was Lance's 2005 acceptance speech when I was quite little and had similar anticipation ahead of the 2009 season. Whilst I hope his offences are fully punished in a sporting and legal sense, we have every right to regard him as a legend of the sport if we so choose.
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| lokytrew |
Posted on 24-08-2012 20:59
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The thing is that the UCI started this 'stripping of titles' thing. Now, it would be unfair that if, for example, Valverde and Contador lose their wins, that Armstrong could keep them. The UCI should strip everybody or nobody. But that's too late now...
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| fenian_1234 |
Posted on 24-08-2012 21:07
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27% not doped. 
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| 9-Ball |
Posted on 24-08-2012 21:17
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Even Wikipedia already had Beloki as a TDF winner, as of around 11am this morning (EST). I haven't checked since. That's without any official announcement.
All a bit SUSPICIOUS, eh? I hear Oliver Stone is after the movie rights. Kevin Bacon as Lance Armstrong and Rutger Hauer as Jan Ullrich, I believe. Someone mentioned Robert Downy Jnr. but he refused, stating the role would just be too close to home for him. Some are pushing for Danny Devito as Pantani but that's just rumor. Enough about my day job, however.
It was eleven more than necessary.
Jacques Anquetil
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 24-08-2012 21:18
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9-Ball wrote:
Even Wikipedia already had Beloki as a TDF winner, as of around 11am this morning (EST). I haven't checked since. That's without any official announcement.
You make Wikipedia sound like a highly official and trustworthy source!
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| 9-Ball |
Posted on 24-08-2012 21:19
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Tongue in cheek, old chap.
It was eleven more than necessary.
Jacques Anquetil
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| Daggen |
Posted on 24-08-2012 21:26
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All of those who can name one rider who weren't doped during that time get's a hundred dollars from me. |
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 24-08-2012 21:30
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Daggen wrote:
All of those who can name one rider who weren't doped during that time get's a hundred dollars from me.
Christophe Bassons.
Now gimme that money!
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| kumazan |
Posted on 24-08-2012 21:31
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Daggen wrote:
All of those who can name one rider who weren't doped during that time get's a hundred dollars from me.
Christophe Bassons. How will you pay?
Urgh, Zabel'd. I raise Moncoutié.
Edited by kumazan on 24-08-2012 21:31
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 24-08-2012 21:37
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He could have pretended he could have gotten chemical out of thin air. I might have bought it.
(on a Rolling Stones forum somebody asked in a poor English if Keith was ready for tour) |
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| Movistar |
Posted on 24-08-2012 23:22
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Aquarius wrote:
Maddrengen wrote:
My family says: Let him keep the victories, if not because he's innocent, t hen because he was so good to hde it" Apparently he failed at some point there.
Again I agree that Armstrong doped but that is not the point I am trying to raise.
If USADA had actual proof they would not need to be offering reduced suspensions in order to get riders to testify against Armstrong, they would just present the failed (covered up) tests, documents showing drug purchases and the like such as in the BALCO case. A large number of those in the BALCO scandal did not test positive but there was hard evidence linking them to the use of performance enhancing drugs. |
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| Crommy |
Posted on 24-08-2012 23:39
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dienblad wrote:
Pellizotti2 wrote:
jsh312mufc wrote:
the UCI have released a statement saying that the USADA have no right to strip armstrong of his titles and have asked them to show what grounds they have to do so. This ain't over yet.
No surprise there. They've always protected him.
Not only that.... The USADA has decided something that they have no authority about. Only the UCI can strip him from the wins. Something about 2 men arguing who has the biggest d*ick.
https://inrng.com/...ong-quits/
Can he be stripped of his titles?
Yes. USADA is an agency working under the World Anti-Doping Agency rules. If an athlete waives their right to a hearing then here is 8.3 of the WADA Code:
Waiver of Hearing
The right to a hearing may be waived either expressly or by the Athlete’s or other Person’s failure to challenge an Anti-Doping Organization’s assertion that an anti-doping rule violation has occurred within the specific time period provided in the Anti-Doping Organization’s rules. Where no hearing occurs, the Anti-Doping Organization with results management responsibility shall submit to the Persons described in Article 13.2.3 a reasoned decision explaining the action taken.
In short waiving the hearing means USADA can reach a “reasoned decision” based on the evidence at its disposal. If USADA rules there is a doping offence, imposes a lifetime ban and says he should be stripped of his wins then this applies worldwide. It is then for the UCI, as cycling’s governing body, to await the decision and issue the formal notice stripping Armstrong of his wins which it must do to comply with the WADA Code. All prize monies must be repaid too.
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| Welwyn |
Posted on 25-08-2012 00:38
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Summing up of the TDF Top Fives:
1999
1. Lance Armstrong
2. Alex Zülle (‘98 busted for EPO)
3. Fernando Escartín (Systematic team doping exposed in ‘04)
4. Laurent Dufaux (‘98 busted for EPO)
5. Ángel Casero (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
2000
1. Lance Armstrong
2. Jan Ullrich (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
3. Joseba Beloki (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
4. Christophe Moraue (‘98 busted for EPO)
5. Roberto Heras (‘05 busted for EPO)
2001
1. Lance Armstrong
2. Jan Ullrich (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
3. Joseba Beloki (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
4. Andrei Kivilev
5. Igor González de Galdeano (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
2002
1. Lance Armstrong
2. Joseba Beloki (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
3. Raimondas Rumšas (Suspended in ‘03 for doping)
4. Santiago Botero (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
5. Igor González de Galdeano (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
2003
1. Lance Armstrong
2. Jan Ullrich (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
3. Alexander Vinokourov (Suspended in ‘07 for CERA)
4. Tyler Hamilton (Suspended ‘04 for blood doping)
5. Haimar Zubeldia
2004
1. Lance Armstrong
2. Andreas Kloden (Named in doping case in ‘08)
3. Ivan Basso (Suspended in ‘07 for Operacion Puerto ties)
4. Jan Ullrich (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
5. Jose Azevedo (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
2005
1. Lance Armstrong
2. Ivan Basso (Suspended in ‘07 for Operacion Puerto ties)
3. Jan Ullrich (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
4. Fransico Mancebo (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
5. Alexander Vinokourov (Suspended in ‘07 for CERA) |
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| DJP19 |
Posted on 25-08-2012 02:31
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So, can I still get my money for betting on Zulle in '99 I wonder if people kept their tickets and can still claim the money? Is there Some expiration date on bets or rule about a dq?
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| Mresuperstar |
Posted on 25-08-2012 03:46
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This pretty much sums up the belief from non-cycling fans...
Donations up 25 times for Lance's charity
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| 9-Ball |
Posted on 25-08-2012 04:54
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... and I always said Kivilev had something special!
It was eleven more than necessary.
Jacques Anquetil
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