baseballlover312 wrote:
I don't think so. If it is supposed to be normal than it shouldn't stand out. no?
It only stands out if you let it. On face value, it's just a parade and after many parades then they'll stop being treated as standing out. If something becomes common, it'll be treated as normal - which ironically is how discrimination begins.
baseballlover312 wrote:
I don't think so. If it is supposed to be normal than it shouldn't stand out. no?
It only stands out if you let it. On face value, it's just a parade and after many parades then they'll stop being treated as standing out. If something becomes common, it'll be treated as normal - which ironically is how discrimination begins.
But they make the parade about being gay. Which makes it stand out as such and not just a regular parade.
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We've trodden across some very old ground, which those with any familiarity would know the fairly simple responses.
For those stating being gay is unnatural - there's well documented cases of same sex (or bisexual) relationships in over 500 species.
For those saying being gay is choice - current evidence suggests it is a mix of genetics and environmental factors, but the science isn't there yet. But even if you think it's a choice, you've got to admit it's a bizarre choice for someone to make. Maybe not in Europe or the US, but in the 10 countries where homosexuality is punishable by death (https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/02/24/here-are-the-10-countries-where-homosexuality-may-be-punished-by-death/), you've got to admit that choosing homosexuality would be a bad decision. And yet we find gay people in these countries. Plenty of them.
For those having fun quoting the bible not permitting it - here's the marriages permitted by the bible:
Gay pride parades need to be considered in the context of homosexuality, society and the law. Being gay has, until very recently, been a crime almost universally across the globe. When being gay was decriminalised, general society still greeted homosexuality and those who came out with hostility, demonisation and fear. This was made worse by the breakout of AIDs in the 1980s, where AIDs was known as the gay virus (it's most certainly not). Gay pride events where a safe place for gay people to be who they were, and celebrate the fact they could finally no longer have to be ashamed of fulfilling their sexual destiny as they felt. These gay pride events have continued, and continue to represent the celebration of the sexual liberation of gay people. Yes they are often flamboyant. But how is this different from events such as the Rio Carnival.
Plus, their still isn't equality for gay people in the law in most countries.
I'm glad to see nobody has linked being gay to paedophilia so far. That's evidence of progress. Although someone did compare it to bestiality, you stupid, stupid, moron.
Edited by Crommy on 23-05-2014 21:13
jseadog, look at what the hell you've done, I'm not reading this shit all the way back to page 69.
All I'm saying is that society tends to be progressive, so I think it will be legal pretty soon in all states. Furthermore, I think there will be repercussions for "overprotecting gay people" in the near future.
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I was just stating the fact that I do not like that Pennsylvania supports gay marriage because I don't think it should be allowed.
I didn't read any of the arguments posted here, but I am glad that this has erupted
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547984 wrote:
jseadog, look at what the hell you've done, I'm not reading this shit all the way back to page 69.
All I'm saying is that society tends to be progressive, so I think it will be legal pretty soon in all states. Furthermore, I think there will be repercussions for "overprotecting gay people" in the near future.
"Overprotecting" ? They're subject to more discriminations than advantages in most places of the world, even in those allowing them to marry.
I've tried writing a response to this debate several times, but every time I end up too angry to write in a civilized way, so I will make this post fairly short and general to avoid winding myself up...
I can't in any way get myself to understand how people serioulsy can mean that people should have fewer civil rights because they love the wrong people.
547984 wrote:
jseadog, look at what the hell you've done, I'm not reading this shit all the way back to page 69.
All I'm saying is that society tends to be progressive, so I think it will be legal pretty soon in all states. Furthermore, I think there will be repercussions for "overprotecting gay people" in the near future.
"Overprotecting" ? They're subject to more discriminations than advantages in most places of the world, even in those allowing them to marry.
I was making a prediction for the time after they are assured "equality", wasn't clear enough there
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Marriage is at the first place act to establish a good place to baby being born and i wonder how two men could do that, but why not give them a chance to enter some sort of partnership, that is really silly. I am not so opened to gay adoptions, but that is another topic.
Also what surprises you on Americans? They are like that, democracy is just an illusion, especially when there is no other state to be controlled so much by media and secret services....
We've seen how two men raised a baby and that is Two and A Half Men.... Jokes, this is basically one the hardest questions the civilization has got, because it is about human rights, principles, tradition, first hand opinion and etc. And most of all, don't say to the other members, what's right or what's wrong, everyone is allowed to have their own opinion (except Jesleyh ). Again, jk, isn't it poosible for you to open up your hearts and accept the differences and end this discussion?
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Marriage is at the first place act to establish a good place to baby being born and i wonder how two men could do that, but why not give them a chance to enter some sort of partnership, that is really silly. I am not so opened to gay adoptions, but that is another topic.
Also what surprises you on Americans? They are like that, democracy is just an illusion, especially when there is no other state to be controlled so much by media and secret services....
We've seen how two men raised a baby and that is Two and A Half Men.... Jokes, this is basically one the hardest questions the civilization has got, because it is about human rights, principles, tradition, first hand opinion and etc. And most of all, don't say to the other members, what's right or what's wrong, everyone is allowed to have their own opinion (except Jesleyh ). Again, jk, isn't it poosible for you to open up your hearts and accept the differences and end this discussion?
I ended the discussion from my point of view by saying that i respect other opinions and that i can get something from them, what more you would want?
And thanks Crommy for coming to discussion to call me stupid,stupid moron because it is easy to pull out words from sentences, where they are related to former discussion, that is very mature and polite.
Far right, eurosceptic parties dominating the European elections. Absolutely horrifying, especially UKIP winning the most seats in the UK with policies that don't undrrstand law, economics or international relations and representatives that are racist, sexist and homophobic. Oh and they don't believe in climate change. It's a scary thought that they and the Front Nationale will have a huge say in the European Parliament. Wondering what people's opinions are?
On a brighter note, the Green Party took 4th here and added another MEP. The only positive to come from this really.
Although it's not of too much influence, it luckily seems like 75% is pro-EU and Wilders lost. Politics moving towards the extreme more and more is a scary development though.
Especially the FN is scary. J-M Le Pen recently said ebola might be the solution for immigration. His party gets 25% of French votes
Edited by Selwink on 26-05-2014 08:23
What do you expect with France and UK overcrowded with immigrants, who are not even keen to behave under respective states law? I have no problem with immigrants, but as i spoke to lot of British people from the countryside especially during my part-time job there three years ago, it does not surprise me...immigration is now main topic and these parties offer the solution (worrifying for those of us, who have no problem with mixing of the cultures).
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
What do you expect with France and UK overcrowded with immigrants, who are not even keen to behave under respective states law? I have no problem with immigrants, but as i spoke to lot of British people from the countryside especially during my part-time job there three years ago, it does not surprise me...immigration is now main topic and these parties offer the solution (worrifying for those of us, who have no problem with mixing of the cultures).
I have no problem with mixing cultures, but fact is that most immigrants who come hete are on the low end of society, causing problems, and therefore prille are likely to hate them.
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
What do you expect with France and UK overcrowded with immigrants, who are not even keen to behave under respective states law? I have no problem with immigrants, but as i spoke to lot of British people from the countryside especially during my part-time job there three years ago, it does not surprise me...immigration is now main topic and these parties offer the solution (worrifying for those of us, who have no problem with mixing of the cultures).
As someone who lives in the UK, that isn't the case. Immigrants actually have a comparable if not lower crime rate than most British people, and they are prepared to work rather than sit on their arses and live off benefits. It's just the few bad cases are picked up on by the gutter press and UKIP and milked for effect.
I wouldn't have a problem with UKIP if they were just Eurosceptic and backed up their arguments with fact. But they don't, and some of their other policies are awful - the ones without sources would be unsurprising, but sadly there's no proof:
They've also been known to intimidate critics and call the police when people post things on social media like the poster above. As our Prime Minister, who I also can't stand, said, they are nothing more than "closet racists, fruitcakes and loonies".
Edited by jph27 on 26-05-2014 08:37
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
What do you expect with France and UK overcrowded with immigrants, who are not even keen to behave under respective states law? I have no problem with immigrants, but as i spoke to lot of British people from the countryside especially during my part-time job there three years ago, it does not surprise me...immigration is now main topic and these parties offer the solution (worrifying for those of us, who have no problem with mixing of the cultures).
If you've ever been to the British countryside, you'll realise that there are fuck-all immigrants there - people are whipped up into a lather over nothing at all. Pretty much all immigration is into the cities and, of course, immigrants are net contributors to the country. Britain's issue with overcrowding is to do with building restrictions and no replacement of the social housing stock.
). Again, jk, isn't it poosible for you to open up your hearts and accept the differences and end this discussion? 
