USA wasn't even superior to Ghana, who dominated the game. A draw against a broken team, full with injured and fatigued players. Plus, lost against a Germany who were just playing around, passing time.
Yeah, luck doesn't last forever, especially against Belgium (not yet confirmed, but they've been strong and will very likely win their group)
baseballlover312 wrote:
Sorry where's Serbia in the round of 16?
Well, we're not in this competition due to many different reasons (getting half of the squad out just because of not signing anthem, bad coach etc), but yeah, we are not here and that's what counts. I am sure USA wouldn't be in there if the Qualifications would let actually the best teams pass, not the ones with advantage of being on continent where football is so "popular" and where some biggest football powers are. If we're talking about results and similar teams, Serbia won against Germany in group phase, back in WC 2010.
At the end, that's not the point of this discussion, but the fact that no one (hiperbole) watch football there and they suddenly hear it on news and go crazy. Of course popularisation of the sport is always welcome, but this is not it. I'm sure 90% of these fans will disappear after WC. Hats off to real supporters of their country.
I can't stress this enough. A whole load more European teams would have qualified if there'd be play-offs between the continents (like South America - Asia & North America - Oceania) for every spot.
USA wasn't even superior to Ghana, who dominated the game. A draw against a broken team, full with injured and fatigued players. Plus, lost against a Germany who were just playing around, passing time.
Yeah, luck doesn't last forever, especially against Belgium (not yet confirmed, but they've been strong and will very likely win their group)
Not sure if trolling, or just really really stupid. I had high expectations for Belgium, their squad is amazing. But holy shit they have played like a bunch of **** suckers. Really lucky and bad, I can't see them go very far. Im not even sure they will beat the USA. If they manage that then that will be their end destination.
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USA wasn't even superior to Ghana, who dominated the game. A draw against a broken team, full with injured and fatigued players. Plus, lost against a Germany who were just playing around, passing time.
Yeah, luck doesn't last forever, especially against Belgium (not yet confirmed, but they've been strong and will very likely win their group)
Not sure if trolling, or just really really stupid. I had high expectations for Belgium, their squad is amazing. But holy shit they have played like a bunch of **** suckers. Really lucky and bad, I can't see them go very far. Im not even sure they will beat the USA. If they manage that then that will be their end destination.
Fully agreed.
And the playoffs I listed are the real ones, I gave them as an example. What I meant was that every team has to go through playoffs.
What? You think they won't win their group? They played well against Algeria, and yes, not that well against Russia. Even then, Germany didn't played well against Ghana. Argentina didn't played well against Iran. So what? Aren't they strong?
USA actually has a pretty decent qualifying group with teams like Mexico, Costa Rica , Honduras and Jamaica
And to be honest, I know more players from the US than from Serbia, so don't balme it on a bad coach and hard opponents, please.
I am not anti-USA, just that you're too much for USA. Spain, Italy, England are out and are not in knockout phase. Does it mean that they're worse than USA? Speaking of Serbian national team, we really had bad coach, who mainly destroyed it all (by, as I said, not calling more than half of the squad just because they refused to sing fucking athem) but since you are trying to argue without actually knowing a real situation, I won't bother myself writing it and explaining the situation better.
Oh, you really do know more players from USA than from Serbia? Like Ivanovic, Kolarov, Vidic, Matic, Nastasic (all players in EPL, most of them captains), Markovic (deal almost done with Liverpool for 35million euros), Ljajic, Mitrovic, Jojic (3 really promising talents playing for Roma/Anderlecht/BVB), Subotic (captain of BVB), Stankovic (who retired few months ago, yes, but was captain of Inter for long time) and many other young talents around the Europe? Ever heard of national team reconstruction and bunch of world-class talents incoming? Please firstly go and watch some real football and then come here with some real arguments, people are laughing at you this way.
You're also telling me that teams like Honduras or Cameroon deserved WC place more than teams such as Poland, Turkey and Serbia at the end, why not?
USA played well and I never said that they didn't deserve that round of 16 place, but they had alot of luck. Half of the Portugal's squad got injured, Ghana had some in-team problems and they just used it well (it wasn't their problem, that's true). At the end, that's not a point of thing I started, but the fact that I hate majority of USA fans who don't even knows football rules properly, don't know to name 3 of their team players, but are still "supporting" their team by hearing it on TV and then just come here and write "GO USA!". Seriously bruh?
Yeah, but football should be a global sport. And it shows the quality of European football that teams such as Serbia, who are a strong side, as well as Denmark, Sweden and Czech Republic (my personal favourite) are unable to qualify.
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baseballlover312 wrote:
Sorry where's Serbia in the round of 16?
Well, we're not in this competition due to many different reasons (getting half of the squad out just because of not signing anthem, bad coach etc), but yeah, we are not here and that's what counts. I am sure USA wouldn't be in there if the Qualifications would let actually the best teams pass, not the ones with advantage of being on continent where football is so "popular" and where some biggest football powers are. If we're talking about results and similar teams, Serbia won against Germany in group phase, back in WC 2010.
At the end, that's not the point of this discussion, but the fact that no one (hiperbole) watch football there and they suddenly hear it on news and go crazy. Of course popularisation of the sport is always welcome, but this is not it. I'm sure 90% of these fans will disappear after WC. Hats off to real supporters of their country.
Because here we have a team to cheer for: our country. if the only football you could see was MLS you wouldn't be interested either.
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baseballlover312 wrote:
Because here we have a team to cheer for: our country. if the only football you could see was MLS you wouldn't be interested either.
Of course, nothing wrong with it. You seem to miss my point, so re-read it again (hats off to real USA fans, but majority of you/they are exactly how I described them). Congrats for Round of 16, anyways.
And I gotta disagree, as MLS became one pretty solid, interesting to watch and competetive league in past few years.
USA actually has a pretty decent qualifying group with teams like Mexico, Costa Rica , Honduras and Jamaica
And to be honest, I know more players from the US than from Serbia, so don't balme it on a bad coach and hard opponents, please.
1. I am not anti-USA, just that you're too much for USA. Spain, Italy, England are out and are not in knockout phase. Does it mean that they're worse than USA? Speaking of Serbian national team, we really had bad coach, who mainly destroyed it all (by, as I said, not calling more than half of the squad just because they refused to sing fucking athem) but since you are trying to argue without actually knowing a real situation, I won't bother myself writing it and explaining the situation better.
2. Oh, you really do know more players from USA than from Serbia? Like Ivanovic, Kolarov, Vidic, Matic, Nastasic (all players in EPL, most of them captains), Markovic (deal almost done with Liverpool for 35million euros), Ljajic, Mitrovic, Jojic (3 really promising talents playing for Roma/Anderlecht/BVB), Subotic (captain of BVB), Stankovic (who retired few months ago, yes, but was captain of Inter for long time) and many other young talents around the Europe? Ever heard of national team reconstruction and bunch of world-class talents incoming? Please firstly go and watch some real football and then come here with some real arguments, people are laughing at you this way.
3. You're also telling me that teams like Honduras or Cameroon deserved WC place more than teams such as Poland, Turkey and Serbia at the end, why not?
4. USA played well and I never said that they didn't deserve that round of 16 place, but they had alot of luck. Half of the Portugal's squad got injured, Ghana had some in-team problems and they just used it well (it wasn't their problem, that's true). At the end, that's not a point of thing I started, but the fact that I hate majority of USA fans who don't even knows football rules properly, don't know to name 3 of their team players, but are still "supporting" their team by hearing it on TV and then just come here and write "GO USA!". Seriously bruh?
1. If Im being completely honest, the USA would probably only lose to Italy of those 3 teams at this years WC. So far the Top 3 teams from CONCACAF have been performing quite well, 3 of the 4 making it to the Knockout round, even though they were placed in groups that maybe they weren't expected to get out of.
2. I dont see whats wrong with knowing more players from Country A than Country B.....
3. Its the World Cup. You cant have 28 teams from Europe and 4 from South America. CONCACAF has proven that they deserve the number of spots they got for the WC, Europe less so. Honduras qualified according to the rules set in place by Fifa, Poland, Ukraine, Turkey etc. didn't so yeah, Honduras does deserve it more.
4. Not really. The USA seemed like the better team for the first two group games. Maybe they came up against weakened sides, but if you look at the quality on the field I dont think its fair to say Ghana or Portugal played "bad" players. A 75% Ronaldo is still the best player on the field in a POR vs. USA match. Its the biggest football tournament in the world, injuries happen and teams have to rise above them. I think you forgot to mention that the USA's best defender was injured in the first half of the first group game. His replacement wasn't even expected to get any playing time at all, and he's played over 90 minutes now and scored a huge goal for the team as well. Like I said earlier in the thread, the USA had great attendance during qualifying.
Also, I didn't know you had to be at the actual games to cheer for your team. I guess by that logic you aren't allowed to cheer for Serbia at the WC either?
I always cheer for underdogs, like the USA, Costa Rica, Switzerland and others. Sure, countries like Iran, Honduras and Algeria are useless at a WC and Turkey, Poland and Iceland would all be better, but as valv said the main point of the WC is having teams from all over the world not only from Europe and South America. As for Serbian players, I know Vidic, Djuricic and Sulejmani... Not really following Brittish football, but sure they may have some decent enough players I guess...
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valverde, as avin said a while ago, stop making a fool of yourself.
1.USA could do anything only against the weak Spain squad this year. And from these teams only Costa Rica fully deserved its spot in the top16.
2.Nothing wrong but the point here was Serbia has more class in its squad.
3.This was the first year CONCACAF does well in the worlds and the reason up to now was that it was called a WORLD Cup.
4.A team does not consist of one player so USA can't really cry too much(especially as there hasn't been a major changein the class of the substitution), unlike Ghana or Portugal for example. And about attendance I'll say that most of the fans on the pitch were there mainly because of a sort of patriotism. If you could find statistics about the TV ratings of the Qualifications, you'd see almost nobody in the US gives a f**k about 'soccer'.
I think you guys are just mad that the USA have been successful. The point in the end is that they made to the knockout stage, and nobody thought they would. Who cares if there are 5 people, or millions watching. That doesn't affect team success.
EDIT: Nobody here expects them to make it to the Final 8, we are just happy they made it this far.
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USA actually has a pretty decent qualifying group with teams like Mexico, Costa Rica , Honduras and Jamaica
And to be honest, I know more players from the US than from Serbia, so don't balme it on a bad coach and hard opponents, please.
1. I am not anti-USA, just that you're too much for USA. Spain, Italy, England are out and are not in knockout phase. Does it mean that they're worse than USA? Speaking of Serbian national team, we really had bad coach, who mainly destroyed it all (by, as I said, not calling more than half of the squad just because they refused to sing fucking athem) but since you are trying to argue without actually knowing a real situation, I won't bother myself writing it and explaining the situation better.
2. Oh, you really do know more players from USA than from Serbia? Like Ivanovic, Kolarov, Vidic, Matic, Nastasic (all players in EPL, most of them captains), Markovic (deal almost done with Liverpool for 35million euros), Ljajic, Mitrovic, Jojic (3 really promising talents playing for Roma/Anderlecht/BVB), Subotic (captain of BVB), Stankovic (who retired few months ago, yes, but was captain of Inter for long time) and many other young talents around the Europe? Ever heard of national team reconstruction and bunch of world-class talents incoming? Please firstly go and watch some real football and then come here with some real arguments, people are laughing at you this way.
3. You're also telling me that teams like Honduras or Cameroon deserved WC place more than teams such as Poland, Turkey and Serbia at the end, why not?
4. USA played well and I never said that they didn't deserve that round of 16 place, but they had alot of luck. Half of the Portugal's squad got injured, Ghana had some in-team problems and they just used it well (it wasn't their problem, that's true). At the end, that's not a point of thing I started, but the fact that I hate majority of USA fans who don't even knows football rules properly, don't know to name 3 of their team players, but are still "supporting" their team by hearing it on TV and then just come here and write "GO USA!". Seriously bruh?
1. If Im being completely honest, the USA would probably only lose to Italy of those 3 teams at this years WC. So far the Top 3 teams from CONCACAF have been performing quite well, 3 of the 4 making it to the Knockout round, even though they were placed in groups that maybe they weren't expected to get out of.
2. I dont see whats wrong with knowing more players from Country A than Country B.....
3. Its the World Cup. You cant have 28 teams from Europe and 4 from South America. CONCACAF has proven that they deserve the number of spots they got for the WC, Europe less so. Honduras qualified according to the rules set in place by Fifa, Poland, Ukraine, Turkey etc. didn't so yeah, Honduras does deserve it more.
4. Not really. The USA seemed like the better team for the first two group games. Maybe they came up against weakened sides, but if you look at the quality on the field I dont think its fair to say Ghana or Portugal played "bad" players. A 75% Ronaldo is still the best player on the field in a POR vs. USA match. Its the biggest football tournament in the world, injuries happen and teams have to rise above them. I think you forgot to mention that the USA's best defender was injured in the first half of the first group game. His replacement wasn't even expected to get any playing time at all, and he's played over 90 minutes now and scored a huge goal for the team as well. Like I said earlier in the thread, the USA had great attendance during qualifying.
Also, I didn't know you had to be at the actual games to cheer for your team. I guess by that logic you aren't allowed to cheer for Serbia at the WC either?
1. Just no. Both Chile & Netherlands would win against USA easily, so I am sure that USA will have alot of problems against Spain, as they showed their class in 3rd match. England was really unlucky + they had group of death literally, with all 3 teams showing some great plays. I think that England would probably play draw with USA or that it'll be one very close match. Italy - nothing to discuss. Way better team.
2. I don't, either, just that it's a bit hard to actually know more American players (there are like 5-6 who are popular and known) than Serbians (around 10). I am not disrespecting American football, just being realistic. Unless fjhoekie tried just to put something against me and what I wrote and to provocate me somehow, which is out of mind, to be honest.
3. It's World Cup, place where best Worlds teams at that point are supposed to be. Or I missed the point of all of this? Football is bad in your are = your problem. Baseball is not popular in Europe that much, so we're really not trying to get in "your" things and that's why I can't see any reason why Poland, Turkey, Ukraine or Serbia aren't participating and Honduras are. These rules are stupid, but I know that FIFA need money from even bigger popularisation of this sport around the world, so that's understandable.
4. Did I watch the same games as you, or you are just being nationalistically (not right word, more like continentaly) biased? USA played good, but I just refuse to believe they played better than Ghana or even better Portugal. Having one "best" defender, who is not key of your squad, is not like not having any classic striker in squad (due to injuries), at all. I agree and that's what I said, it's not USA's problem and it was just Portugal/Ghana being unlucky at the end, so of course that they had to give their 100%. Luck + solid performances = Round of 16.
I never said that, so please do not connect that to me. At the end, I cannot cheer for Serbia, we're not in WCs, as some mega super power teams such as Honduras took that place.
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As for Serbian players, I know Vidic, Djuricic and Sulejmani... Not really following Brittish football, but sure they may have some decent enough players I guess...
That explains it then - Sulejmani and Djuricic are not even near the best Serbia has at the moment. And you're arguing about football and knowing football players without actually following Barclays Premier League, which is by far the best league (generally, not that they have some huge teams)... at the moment, in the World. Enough said.
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I think you guys are just mad that the USA have been successful.
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dark_x2012 wrote: valverde, as avin said a while ago, stop making a fool of yourself.
1.USA could do anything only against the weak Spain squad this year. And from these teams only Costa Rica fully deserved its spot in the top16.
2.Nothing wrong but the point here was Serbia has more class in its squad.
3.This was the first year CONCACAF does well in the worlds and the reason up to now was that it was called a WORLD Cup.
4.A team does not consist of one player so USA can't really cry too much(especially as there hasn't been a major changein the class of the substitution), unlike Ghana or Portugal for example. And about attendance I'll say that most of the fans on the pitch were there mainly because of a sort of patriotism. If you could find statistics about the TV ratings of the Qualifications, you'd see almost nobody in the US gives a f**k about 'soccer'.
I'll stop making a fool of myself, but I think first I have to actually be making a fool of myself and since all I've done to this point is step on the absurd opinions of some members here that have a clear bias against the USA and cant even use facts or actual football knowledge (but claim they are in their argument) when making their arguments, I'd say I'm doing alright.
1. No, Mexico fully deserved their spot too.
2. Yeah, Serbia has better players on paper, but they weren't playing like it. Just like Spain had great players on paper but played like absolute shit. Its not always about how many "class" players a team has. Coaching, and team cohesion are arguably more important.
3. CONCACAF have made it to atleast the Quarter Finals 4 times before, so I wouldn't say this is the first time CONCACAF has done well.
4. Admir's argument was that the USA came up against teams with injury problems. Dempsey's nose was broken, Besler had injury problems. Those are two of USA's key players, so the injury excuse really cant be used.
Also, most people dont care about soccer, you are right. So people actually showing up, aren't because of some patriotism bullcrap its because they actually want to watch/support their team, just as it is with any team. Im not actually sure if the qualifying was on TV all that much. Plus according to Admir, you aren't allowed to watch your team on TV because then you aren't an actual fan so we probably shouldn't care about that
Edit: I never said USA would beat Chile or Holland.
Edited by valverde321 on 26-06-2014 20:59
Also FIFA could revisit the numbers of team (per continent) being qualified for WC. I think FIFA set less allowed Europeans teams in WC than it was some years before. But this is mainly because football is now played everywhere in the world and level is going more homogeneous between continents.
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It is gonna be the same for rugby though the skill difference between west Europeans countries + Super 4 countries against other worldwide countries is still very noticeable.
Edited by sylvao on 26-06-2014 20:57
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