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Sky Doping/Hate Thread
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| niconico |
Posted on 06-07-2013 16:37
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I know zip about this whole story. I've been told that Sky has a completely different approach to training, scientific people say. Being a cyclist myself I know about differing training cultures and in being a Sports Science student I also know stuff about sports physiology, psychology etc.
Sports physiology is a very interesting field, but it's hard to define optimum training methods that you can apply on a specific rider designed for a specific race, because our "engines" just work differently.
Who says Sky can't have discovered some kind of new revolutionizing training scheme for their riders? I'm not taking any sides, just interested in this aspect.
If someone has some online litterature regarding Team Sky's training philosophy I would be very interested in looking at it.
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| Schleck96 |
Posted on 06-07-2013 16:37
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Setzel wrote:
This made my day
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don't think Froome is on drugs, just that he is an extremely talented individual with the right team at hand
CyclingNews comments section right?
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| Setzel |
Posted on 06-07-2013 16:38
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Schleck96 wrote:
Setzel wrote:
This made my day
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don't think Froome is on drugs, just that he is an extremely talented individual with the right team at hand
CyclingNews comments section right?
I do some epic facepalm's when I'm reading that shit.
Nah mate themanxmissle 2 pages ago
Eating my daily Breakfast at 9 pm
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 06-07-2013 16:40
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Setzel wrote:
Schleck96 wrote:
Setzel wrote:
This made my day
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don't think Froome is on drugs, just that he is an extremely talented individual with the right team at hand
CyclingNews comments section right?
I do some epic facepalm's when I'm reading that shit.
Nah mate themanxmissle 2 pages ago
Pretty sure he was again like myeslf page before, being quite sarcastic.
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| fcancellara |
Posted on 06-07-2013 16:40
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TMM was obviously trolling.
I hope.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 06-07-2013 16:41
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niconico wrote:
I know zip about this whole story. I've been told that Sky has a completely different approach to training, scientific people say. Being a cyclist myself I know about differing training cultures and in being a Sports Science student I also know stuff about sports physiology, psychology etc.
Sports physiology is a very interesting field, but it's hard to define optimum training methods that you can apply on a specific rider designed for a specific race, because our "engines" just work differently.
Who says Sky can't have discovered some kind of new revolutionizing training scheme for their riders? I'm not taking any sides, just interested in this aspect.
If someone has some online litterature regarding Team Sky's training philosophy I would be very interested in looking at it.
Out.
There isn't any literature because when they started bragging about what they did differently it turned out to be stuff everyone had been doing for many years, such as training at altitude. So they stopped.
You might want to read about their until recently team doctor who was outed due to massive public pressure
https://www.telegr...lture.html
He's since been replaced with an italian doctor who was arrested in the 2001 San Remo raids where hundreds of drugs were apprehended.
With both doctors Sky has tried to hide the association by not listing either on their website as part of the medical team
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| Schleck96 |
Posted on 06-07-2013 16:42
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Spoiler Setzel wrote:
Schleck96 wrote:
Setzel wrote:
This made my day
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don't think Froome is on drugs, just that he is an extremely talented individual with the right team at hand
CyclingNews comments section right?
I do some epic facepalm's when I'm reading that shit.
Nah mate themanxmissle 2 pages ago 
I have seen something similar to that there, so I thought it came from there. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 06-07-2013 16:43
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fcancellara wrote:
Guys, remember last year? Rogers setting extremely high paces on the climbs for Sky?
Where is he now?
He apparently forgot how to train
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| Jacdk |
Posted on 06-07-2013 16:43
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Well, people can say hater.
But when someone drives above 6 and is 26sec´s faster than Armstrong in 2006 on the same climb, noone will ever make me believe that the person isent doped up to both ears.... another thing #quote from armstrong "back than you couldn´t win without doping" |
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 06-07-2013 16:45
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issoisso wrote:
fcancellara wrote:
Guys, remember last year? Rogers setting extremely high paces on the climbs for Sky?
Where is he now?
He apparently forgot how to train
Marginal losses
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| Schleck96 |
Posted on 06-07-2013 16:48
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Armstrong must be laughing is ass off right now, watching this shit. |
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 06-07-2013 16:49
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Wonder if EPO Armstrong would beat Froome. |
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| ziga007 |
Posted on 06-07-2013 16:52
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Wonder if EPO Armstrong would beat doped Froome.
Edited by ziga007 on 06-07-2013 16:53
Alberto Contador
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| issoisso |
Posted on 06-07-2013 16:57
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Schleck96 wrote:
Armstrong must be laughing is ass off right now, watching this shit.
This is one of those rare occasions where I used my cycling twitter account.
Try to goad lance into commenting on today
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| CountArach |
Posted on 06-07-2013 16:57
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Some important and interesting points from the guys at Science of Sport:
https://www.faceb...3522034028
I find point 3 to be really encouraging.
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 06-07-2013 17:00
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Nice article there. |
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| niconico |
Posted on 06-07-2013 17:06
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issoisso wrote:
niconico wrote:
I know zip about this whole story. I've been told that Sky has a completely different approach to training, scientific people say. Being a cyclist myself I know about differing training cultures and in being a Sports Science student I also know stuff about sports physiology, psychology etc.
Sports physiology is a very interesting field, but it's hard to define optimum training methods that you can apply on a specific rider designed for a specific race, because our "engines" just work differently.
Who says Sky can't have discovered some kind of new revolutionizing training scheme for their riders? I'm not taking any sides, just interested in this aspect.
If someone has some online litterature regarding Team Sky's training philosophy I would be very interested in looking at it.
Out.
There isn't any literature because when they started bragging about what they did differently it turned out to be stuff everyone had been doing for many years, such as training at altitude. So they stopped.
You might want to read about their until recently team doctor who was outed due to massive public pressure
https://www.telegr...lture.html
He's since been replaced with an italian doctor who was arrested in the 2001 San Remo raids where hundreds of drugs were apprehended.
With both doctors Sky has tried to hide the association by not listing either on their website as part of the medical team
Righto, but I do think I've heard things about using reversed periodization and not traditional linear periodization, which is the fancy word for the Eastern European school, with low intensity training in the off-season and not doing intervals until later when the season kicks off, with reversed periodization being high intensity, low volume during off-season.
Again I have no litterature for backing this up, only something I was told by a training buddie. You wouldn't know anything about that perhaps?
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| issoisso |
Posted on 06-07-2013 17:10
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niconico wrote:
issoisso wrote:
niconico wrote:
I know zip about this whole story. I've been told that Sky has a completely different approach to training, scientific people say. Being a cyclist myself I know about differing training cultures and in being a Sports Science student I also know stuff about sports physiology, psychology etc.
Sports physiology is a very interesting field, but it's hard to define optimum training methods that you can apply on a specific rider designed for a specific race, because our "engines" just work differently.
Who says Sky can't have discovered some kind of new revolutionizing training scheme for their riders? I'm not taking any sides, just interested in this aspect.
If someone has some online litterature regarding Team Sky's training philosophy I would be very interested in looking at it.
Out.
There isn't any literature because when they started bragging about what they did differently it turned out to be stuff everyone had been doing for many years, such as training at altitude. So they stopped.
You might want to read about their until recently team doctor who was outed due to massive public pressure
https://www.telegr...lture.html
He's since been replaced with an italian doctor who was arrested in the 2001 San Remo raids where hundreds of drugs were apprehended.
With both doctors Sky has tried to hide the association by not listing either on their website as part of the medical team
Righto, but I do think I've heard things about using reversed periodization and not traditional linear periodization, which is the fancy word for the Eastern European school, with low intensity training in the off-season and not doing intervals until later when the season kicks off, with reversed periodization being high intensity, low volume during off-season.
Again I have no litterature for backing this up, only something I was told by a training buddie. You wouldn't know anything about that perhaps?
Low intensity baselines in the off-season is the now discredited 1970s school of cycling that was proven innefective about 10 years ago by coaches such as Fred Grappé.
Aquarius can probably tell you more about Grappé's methods when he posts here later today
EDIT: Did you change nickname? 4000 posts and I've never seen you around here before?
Edited by issoisso on 06-07-2013 17:11
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| Roman |
Posted on 06-07-2013 17:12
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Well, I really don't want to defend Sky anyhow, but I think it is needed to be said that materials, better food and training methods clearly can make a difference, so it should be normal that thankfully to "allowed doping", riders are going faster than in the past.
But well, could it be really something like Sky has a better training method/great material than the rest of the peloton. I really don't think so.
EDIT: isso, look at niconico's signature. 
Edited by Roman on 06-07-2013 17:13
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 06-07-2013 17:12
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I'm going to bet it's 4000 in the MG section. |
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