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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 05-06-2015 14:33
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The Schleck Fan wrote:
So,Zakarin deserves 80 MO and Froome 79 MO because Zakarin beat Froome in Romandie? If Zakarin sets and beats Froome on all mountain stages in a grand tour so yes. |
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| bob7 |
Posted on 05-06-2015 14:39
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Arberg27 what about Kittel ? How do you rate him in this season ? |
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 05-06-2015 14:44
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Kittel should obviously be 65SP.
It doesn't matter that he's not fit and all, he doesn't have any results 
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| bob7 |
Posted on 05-06-2015 14:47
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Jesleyh wrote:
Kittel should obviously be 65SP.
It doesn't matter that he's not fit and all, he doesn't have any results
I was thinking the same, thanks for confirming my beliefs  |
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 05-06-2015 17:44
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bob7 wrote:
Arberg27 what about Kittel ? How do you rate him in this season ? 55 MO.
Edited by Arberg27 on 05-06-2015 17:47
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| alex valceanu |
Posted on 05-06-2015 17:48
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Omloop wrote:
My take on the climbers in this years giro. The rating I give is not only based on the giro, but a longer perspective. I don't include support stats either, for an example Landa has better mountain than Aru, but otherwise Aru is stronger etc.
Contador 82
Porte 80
Landa 80
Aru 79
Hesjedal 78
Pozzovivo 78
Uran 78
Kreuijswijk 77
Amador 77
König 77
Kreuziger 77
Trofimov 76
Caruso 76
Kangert 76
VDB 76
Intxauisti 76
Nieve 76
Zakarin 76
Geniez 75
Monfort 75
Cataldo 75
Visconti 75
Betancu 75
Cunego 75
Atapuma 75
Etc......
These stats seem almost perfect for me . i think Trofimov should be a little higher , he was strong in the 2nd week, myabe 77 with lower recovery ? And Aru with Hesjedal should have very high rec , they totally owned the last two moutain stages.
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| Omloop |
Posted on 05-06-2015 17:51
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alex valceanu wrote:
Omloop wrote:
My take on the climbers in this years giro. The rating I give is not only based on the giro, but a longer perspective. I don't include support stats either, for an example Landa has better mountain than Aru, but otherwise Aru is stronger etc.
Contador 82
Porte 80
Landa 80
Aru 79
Hesjedal 78
Pozzovivo 78
Uran 78
Kreuijswijk 77
Amador 77
König 77
Kreuziger 77
Trofimov 76
Caruso 76
Kangert 76
VDB 76
Intxauisti 76
Nieve 76
Zakarin 76
Geniez 75
Monfort 75
Cataldo 75
Visconti 75
Betancu 75
Cunego 75
Atapuma 75
Etc......
These stats seem almost perfect for me . i think Trofimov should be a little higher , he was strong in the 2nd week, myabe 77 with lower recovery ? And Aru with Hesjedal should have very high rec , they totally owned the last two moutain stages.
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 05-06-2015 18:48
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Nearly all the main stats are the same as my list too, the only big difference is that I have nearly everybody a point higher. |
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 05-06-2015 18:52
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Same here, Tafiolmo. It is all not far off what I have, except that I have most of them +1.
Edited by Jesleyh on 05-06-2015 18:53
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 05-06-2015 19:06
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For me it´s still hard to judge Kreuziger on this, he was clearly not on top of his abilities...
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 05-06-2015 19:29
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@ Jesley
The riders on 80 plus I have like so:
Froome 83
Contador 83
Quintana 83
Nibali 82
Aru 81
Landa 81
Rodriguez 80
Valverde 80
Pinot 80
@ Croatia
It's a fine line on whether riders like Landa should have such high stats based on one great GT and whether other riders like Kreuziger should be downgraded because they've had a poor GT. Sometimes you have to go for gut feeling, because Landa's GT was quite sensational and anything less than 81 imo wouldn't see him recreate that form.
I have Kreuziger on 78 due to his past form, for example if he were to have another poor tour then I would downgrade him. |
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 05-06-2015 19:48
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Tafiolmo wrote:
@ Jesley
The riders on 80 plus I have like so:
Froome 83
Contador 83
Quintana 83
Nibali 82
Aru 81
Landa 81
Rodriguez 80
Valverde 80
Pinot 80
@ Croatia
It's a fine line on whether riders like Landa should have such high stats based on one great GT and whether other riders like Kreuziger should be downgraded because they've had a poor GT. Sometimes you have to go for gut feeling, because Landa's GT was quite sensational and anything less than 81 imo wouldn't see him recreate that form.
I have Kreuziger on 78 due to his past form, for example if he were to have another poor tour then I would downgrade him.
riders +80 look very good...
the problem is that we just don´t know how his form peak was planned, I think it will be targeted on the Tour...for example Kangert was amazing in the mountains (as at Nibalis last Giro victory), but Roman didn´t seem to be at his best
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| clamel |
Posted on 06-06-2015 19:26
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How about A.Turgis.???
The other day I had a race like Boucles Mayenne and this guy wasn't anything. Looking at his stats I was thinking he might have been a bit low, overall. Not sure what stats that really needed to be risen.
The real Turgis answered the call with an impressive ride in the real Boucles, so I put forward that he might be raised some.
OK the field wasn't that impressive perhaps but he is after all thought on as a very big talent. One of many for France today, so this bloke might have been forgotten.
He was really good some years ago and last year he did win U23 LBL.
Perhaps he will soon be equal to Alaphilippe, who knows.
A slight boost on some stats. Better men than me could easil say what stats needs to be improved.
Adding that perhaps even the young dutch Lars van den Haar needs a slight boost in acc and sprints. Impressive sprints in Luxembourg, that even matched the Gorilla.
Edited by clamel on 06-06-2015 19:31
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 06-06-2015 19:37
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On Tugis - One stage does not stats make. He's only finished inside the Top10 twice this year including todays win. Only three times in the Top10 last year, but yes that did include U23 LBL and 3rd at the U23 Euros. You could argue for a 1/2/3 point HL boost but really not much more as it's certainly one-off result rather than a pattern right now.
On Van der Haar - Wouldn't go nuts. That Top10 included such accomplished sprinters as Gasparotto, Mager, Bazzana, Rubiano and Hurel. It was a relatively hilly stage and the sprint field isn't special. Like with Turgis it's more of one-off on the road than a pattern and he's otherwise not been great this season.
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| Kiserlovski01 |
Posted on 08-06-2015 19:17
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Can someone tell me which current riders traditionally have a high RES stat? Difficult to decide myself since I used to play 13 where it was kind of disabled  |
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 08-06-2015 23:14
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Kiserlovski01 wrote:
Can someone tell me which current riders traditionally have a high RES stat? Difficult to decide myself since I used to play 13 where it was kind of disabled
This stat is the least discussed and least understood on the forum it seems, the problem is that there are quite a few irregularities with the riders that get high stats in this and those that get lower stat.
Edited by Tafiolmo on 08-06-2015 23:14
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 08-06-2015 23:32
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Kiserlovski01 wrote:
Can someone tell me which current riders traditionally have a high RES stat? Difficult to decide myself since I used to play 13 where it was kind of disabled
Tony Martin...Cancellara...other TTers
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 09-06-2015 00:19
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Well, RES controls the yellow bar.
That means a rider with higher RES is able to maintain a high pace for a longer while, and also hasn't got many problems with riding alone for a while.
I don't feel the difference of a few RES stats too much, but there's definitely a (proven) difference between it.
Of course, Time Trialists, are often well-capable of maintaining a high pace and often get the high RES stat. I believe the RES stat has influence in the TT itself as well, but riders like Martin, Dumoulin or Cancellera are very able to solo(or relay at the front) for long times as well in real life.
Those ideally have the highest RES stats, but basically the RES stats impacts every specialisation, if anything, the sprinters the least.
Obviously cobblers and stage-races need a good RES stat as well, those too need to maintain a strong pace for a while.
So really there is not a "rule" for who needs the highest RES stats. In most databases I see a rider like Martin or Cancellara have the highest RES, which seems about right.
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| Kiserlovski01 |
Posted on 09-06-2015 17:24
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Thanks both |
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| Forever the Best |
Posted on 09-06-2015 17:32
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So Valverde high RES and Rodriguez low RES? |
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