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| Riis123 |
Posted on 09-09-2014 02:46
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I just came across this quote on a late night:
"Valverde should be commended for not working with Contador yesterday. By doing so he raced to win the Vuelta. Working with Contador to put time into Froome would have been racing to protect second. It didn't work out for him today, but at least he was riding to win."
Definetely an interesting perspective which was exactly the same thing that I said after the stage yesterday. For once, that actually showed Valverde was riding to win instead of chasing secondary positions which he has been accused of many times, not only in this race. He ultimately gained 10 seconds, but he obviously didn't have what needed today. But thats how it goes when Contador turns it up to 6,41 w/kg.
And just to touch upon that. I dont know that much about wattages and all this stuff, but I have still learned a few things being around here. Isn't 6,41 abnormally high on a 17 min climb after a rather tough stage in the mountains? I know that winds etc. can play a part, but it still seems very high and I am pretty sure that Froome last year on Ax-3-Domaines (which is a pretty comparable climb, little longer though) averaged a little some under that. |
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| Strydz |
Posted on 09-09-2014 04:16
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Riis123 wrote:
I just came across this quote on a late night:
"Valverde should be commended for not working with Contador yesterday. By doing so he raced to win the Vuelta. Working with Contador to put time into Froome would have been racing to protect second. It didn't work out for him today, but at least he was riding to win."
Definetely an interesting perspective which was exactly the same thing that I said after the stage yesterday. For once, that actually showed Valverde was riding to win instead of chasing secondary positions which he has been accused of many times, not only in this race. He ultimately gained 10 seconds, but he obviously didn't have what needed today. But thats how it goes when Contador turns it up to 6,41 w/kg.
And just to touch upon that. I dont know that much about wattages and all this stuff, but I have still learned a few things being around here. Isn't 6,41 abnormally high on a 17 min climb after a rather tough stage in the mountains? I know that winds etc. can play a part, but it still seems very high and I am pretty sure that Froome last year on Ax-3-Domaines (which is a pretty comparable climb, little longer though) averaged a little some under that.
From everything I have read on the subject anything above 6.2 w/kg is indicative of doping, of course not knowing the conditions i.e wind and all that but both Contador and Froome certainly put out some suspect performances yesterday
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| dark_x2012 |
Posted on 09-09-2014 06:50
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Strydz wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
I just came across this quote on a late night:
"Valverde should be commended for not working with Contador yesterday. By doing so he raced to win the Vuelta. Working with Contador to put time into Froome would have been racing to protect second. It didn't work out for him today, but at least he was riding to win."
Definetely an interesting perspective which was exactly the same thing that I said after the stage yesterday. For once, that actually showed Valverde was riding to win instead of chasing secondary positions which he has been accused of many times, not only in this race. He ultimately gained 10 seconds, but he obviously didn't have what needed today. But thats how it goes when Contador turns it up to 6,41 w/kg.
And just to touch upon that. I dont know that much about wattages and all this stuff, but I have still learned a few things being around here. Isn't 6,41 abnormally high on a 17 min climb after a rather tough stage in the mountains? I know that winds etc. can play a part, but it still seems very high and I am pretty sure that Froome last year on Ax-3-Domaines (which is a pretty comparable climb, little longer though) averaged a little some under that.
From everything I have read on the subject anything above 6.2 w/kg is indicative of doping, of course not knowing the conditions i.e wind and all that but both Contador and Froome certainly put out some suspect performances yesterday
6.2 w/kg is for riders like Nibali and etc. Come on guys we're talking about the biggest talents in cycling in the post-dark-age era in cycling. When doped Contador could reach up to 6.78 w/kg back in 2010. |
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| jph27 |
Posted on 09-09-2014 07:44
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Romain Sicard is 14th on GC. That's pretty insane after his years in the wilderness with Euskaltel. |
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 09-09-2014 10:37
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https://www.busine...ace-2014-9
Not sure if anyone posted this already (someone probably did), but I just saw it now... 
EDIT: Yeah, this was the main topic yesterday, so I pretty much look like a fool now. Disadvantages of being 2nd shift in school (yeah, that exists here). 
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| Shonak |
Posted on 09-09-2014 11:43
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jph27 wrote:
Romain Sicard is 14th on GC. That's pretty insane after his years in the wilderness with Euskaltel.
Truly yes. And he has been a great helper at the Giro too for Rolland. He might have taken a few lessons from Rolland's guide of stage racing; going in breakways, limit time losses, make your teammates work. Certainly works for him so far.
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| Smoku |
Posted on 09-09-2014 12:06
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BTW were there any comments what was this all about? In fact I believe they should get some extra bonus from Tinkoff and OPQS for additional sponsor exposure 
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| Dippofix |
Posted on 09-09-2014 12:32
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Now I'm not an expert on all this, but if Rovny and Brambilla got DQ for that fight, why did Purito not get kicked out for punching Deignan the day before?
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| matt17br |
Posted on 09-09-2014 12:33
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Dippofix wrote:
Now I'm not an expert on all this, but if Rovny and Brambilla got DQ for that fight, why did Purito not get kicked out for punching Deignan the day before?
Because he is Spanish and he is Purito. |
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| jacobjc88 |
Posted on 09-09-2014 13:04
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Shonak wrote:
jph27 wrote:
Romain Sicard is 14th on GC. That's pretty insane after his years in the wilderness with Euskaltel.
Truly yes. And he has been a great helper at the Giro too for Rolland. He might have taken a few lessons from Rolland's guide of stage racing; going in breakways, limit time losses, make your teammates work. Certainly works for him so far.
Funny how you mention Rolland, can you spell cortisone?
Anyhow I'm glad Sicard is doing good
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| Shonak |
Posted on 09-09-2014 13:28
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jacobjc88 wrote:
Funny how you mention Rolland, can you spell cortisone?
Funny how you mention cortisone, can you spell "what has that got to do with my comment about Sicard's breakaway/GC mixture tactics"? 
@Dippo: I think there hasn't been an investitgation into the matter until now, because everybody just learned about it a couple of hours ago. Don't think it was caught on camera.
Contacted by Cyclingnews on Tuesday morning, the Katusha team acknowledged that an altercation had taken place between Rodriguez and Deignan, but said that the contact had been accidental. Katusha added that Rodriguez will offer a full explanation of the incident in his rest day press conference in A Coruña.
“[Rodriguez] made just a gesture with his hand like ‘what are you doing?’ after Deignan hit Purito's handlebars with his handlebars, and he hit Deignan in the face by accident,” a team spokesman said by email. “He apologized and did so in the evening and the morning after. It was not his intention to touch him.”
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 09-09-2014 18:21
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Riis123 wrote:
And just to touch upon that. I dont know that much about wattages and all this stuff, but I have still learned a few things being around here. Isn't 6,41 abnormally high on a 17 min climb after a rather tough stage in the mountains? I know that winds etc. can play a part, but it still seems very high and I am pretty sure that Froome last year on Ax-3-Domaines (which is a pretty comparable climb, little longer though) averaged a little some under that.
Yep 6.41 is pretty high; Contador 6.41 for 6.05km vs Froome 6.24 for 8.9km at Bonascre so pretty equal. I'm a Contador fan, but I'm not going to swerve round the fact that it's pretty dodgy
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| Nin1388 |
Posted on 09-09-2014 20:24
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| deek12345 |
Posted on 09-09-2014 20:34
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Nin1388 wrote:
just quick question whats happens to a rider if he gets throwing of a race,does he get a fined by his team ,or disciplined |
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| Nin1388 |
Posted on 09-09-2014 20:38
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deek12345 wrote:
just quick question whats happens to a rider if he gets throwing of a race,does he get a fined by his team ,or disciplined
There is no news regarding fine. Being thrown out of Vuelta a sort of punishment by itself. Team may have disciplinary action. |
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| Nin1388 |
Posted on 09-09-2014 20:42
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On other note that just makes already weak Tinkoff team more weaker. There were like no riders with Contador in last 10 km.
Will not be surprised to see 1 or 2 TCS riders go in breakaway because when peleton gets down to 30-40 riders only Hernandez usually remain with Contador. |
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| Ste117 |
Posted on 09-09-2014 20:47
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Russians attacking in Sport now, no ones safe
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 09-09-2014 20:51
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It basically does not mean nothing at this point. Rovny and Chris Anker haven't doing anything else than carrying bottles and neither of those have an impact, like at all, especially just with 4 stages left.
Tossatto and Bennati have without a doubt been the most important helpers. Valggren has been good on the flat and keeping Contador out of troubles with the 2 other guys, while Zaugg has been rather good in the mountains, but nothing more really than just a security blanket. Same with Hernandez, security blanket with the exact same bike as Contador and a good friend. Paulinho, as well as Chris and Rovny, is just there.
Im maybe a bit harsh, but this is how I see it. Tinkoff has never been put under pressure long way out and how this Vuelta route-wise has been build up, it doesn't matter if Zaugg and/or Hernandez is able to follow the leaders group when they are at 15 or 40 left. He could have won this race with 4 guys, tops.
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| Smoku |
Posted on 09-09-2014 21:08
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Ste117 wrote:
Russians attacking in Sport now, no ones safe
As long as they don't make referendum or start some new republic, we should be fine. But this is Tinkov on the other hand |
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 09-09-2014 21:24
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https://cyclingtips.com.au/wp-content/...filing.jpg
FTP, which is a maximum of 6.4 w / kg.
FTP er one`s functional threshold power of an hour - that is what one can enter a maximum of one hour on acid border.
And the shorter the time, the higher W / kg. That some will enter 7-8 or 20 w / kg says nothing about doping, only in proportion to the time that you run on!
And that understand people really are not that obvious just heard that a number of w / kg is equal to doping. They say only 6.40 w / kg is the maximum you should be able to take over an hour on his acid border. But some can be so good going over acid border in less time, which will move w / kg to maybe 6.7 or 6.8.
But several sports scientists say yourself to new training opportunities are constantly moving on the border. |
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