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| bob7 |
Posted on 30-05-2015 15:28
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Contador is just tired and he has 4'37 over Aru and 5'15 over Landa. Why the hell Contador have to follow Landa ? He may lose even 3 minutes. He has Tour in July. Contador isn't in 100% shape yet, it's obvious. |
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| sgdanny |
Posted on 30-05-2015 15:39
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Either way Landa deserves 80 MO
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| Maddox |
Posted on 30-05-2015 15:41
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bob7 wrote:
Contador is just tired and he has 4'37 over Aru and 5'15 over Landa. Why the hell Contador have to follow Landa ? He may lose even 3 minutes. He has Tour in July. Contador isn't in 100% shape yet, it's obvious.
You are right ... I am sure that Contador is taking it easy ... or not. Landa is just better in this Giro. Contador would have followed him if he could. |
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| bob7 |
Posted on 30-05-2015 15:49
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Ok, so give Landa 85 and Contador 74. Compare Astana to Tinkoff. Astana is great, Tinkoff is shit. How good support have Landa and Aru compared to Contador ? Pistolero has a bad day today, he is f****ng tired after 3 weeks, when he hasn't good teammates. I have nothing more to say, it's pointless. Let others speak. |
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| Forever the Best |
Posted on 30-05-2015 15:51
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Landa 80-81 Mo with great support stats |
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| Maddox |
Posted on 30-05-2015 15:51
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bob7 wrote:
Ok, so give Landa 85 and Contador 74. Compare Astana to Tinkoff. Astana is great, Tinkoff is shit. How good support have Landa and Aru compared to Contador ? Pistolero has a bad day today, he is f****ng tired after 3 weeks, when he hasn't good teammates. I have nothing more to say, it's pointless. Let others speak.
No, give Contador 82 and Landa 81. And that is a really bad argument, Landa had ridden all the same stages that Contador has, so he should be just as tired as Contador. |
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| gotlandrules |
Posted on 30-05-2015 15:55
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I would have Aru on 80 and then Landa also on 80 but with worse support stats since Aru has showed this level over a longer time. Contador still on 82/83.
Edited by gotlandrules on 30-05-2015 15:56
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| bob7 |
Posted on 30-05-2015 15:57
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Today Contador is weak. At which stage Landa was stronger than Contador ? Aprica ? Nope, Contador rode like a god. Madonna di Campiglio ? No, he didn't finish. Cervinia ? No, they were even. So ? |
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| Maddox |
Posted on 30-05-2015 15:57
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gotlandrules wrote:
I would have Aru on 80 and then Landa also on 80 but with worse support stats since Aru has showed this level over a longer time. Contador still on 82/83.
I don't think it is a question about how long you have showed that level. Because then we could give Armstrong great support stats  |
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| Maddox |
Posted on 30-05-2015 16:00
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bob7 wrote:
Today Contador is weak. At which stage Landa was stronger than Contador ? Aprica ? Nope, Contador rode like a god. Madonna di Campiglio ? No, he didn't finish. Cervinia ? No, they were even. So ?
Landa has been stronger than Contador the whole race. It just shows now. Landa could ride away from Contador anytime. At no point, Contador has been stronger.
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| bob7 |
Posted on 30-05-2015 16:02
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Maddox are you serious or just trolling ? |
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| Maddox |
Posted on 30-05-2015 16:17
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bob7 wrote:
Maddox are you serious or just trolling ?
I am serious, but you are obviously trolling. |
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| bob7 |
Posted on 30-05-2015 16:25
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I'm done here. You have your opinion and I can't discuss with you. You are blind to the arguments, it's wasting time. |
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| gotlandrules |
Posted on 30-05-2015 16:26
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ofcourse it matters how long you kept that level of performance, otherwise Zakarin would have been 80MO 80HIL 80TT after Romandie. Not saying you have to take into account the last 10 seasons from a rider, but the last 2-3 should definitely weigh in. |
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| Maddox |
Posted on 30-05-2015 16:29
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bob7 wrote:
I'm done here. You have your opinion and I can't discuss with you. You are blind to the arguments, it's wasting time.
You are even more  |
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| Maddox |
Posted on 30-05-2015 16:29
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gotlandrules wrote:
ofcourse it matters how long you kept that level of performance, otherwise Zakarin would have been 80MO 80HIL 80TT after Romandie. Not saying you have to take into account the last 10 seasons from a rider, but the last 2-3 should definitely weigh in.
Yes of course, but I don't think it matters that much |
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 30-05-2015 16:32
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81: Landa
80: Aru and Contador
79: Hesjedal and Uran |
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| gotlandrules |
Posted on 30-05-2015 16:39
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82: Contador
80: Aru
79/80: Landa, Uran
78/79: Hesjedal
The rest is just too hard, especially since i don't know what they are at right now. If Kruijswijk is like 75 in the DB i don't think he should get 78/79 after this, but if he is already 77 then he should as an example  |
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| clamel |
Posted on 30-05-2015 16:42
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Guys you can never tell why a rider do things, and truly not what was really in that riders mind.
The numbers in this game is trying to be without thought and intent. That's why it can never 100% reflect what really goes on.
I once more stress that it's far more important that the medium and lesser (upcoming) riders gets the correct stats. A sprinters should not be set att 60, and if the team calls a rider a climber he should not have 60 in mtn and/or hills.
Agree on that never never will the numbers on top riders be correct, since everyone have an opinion. I find it almost hilarious when "sound" statement and "proof" are made to raise a famous rider with 1 point (as that makes everything totally different)
Whatever do we know why a rider did this or that, or perform that way.
It's in the bigger picture I believe one would take this DB and the stats.
No way it will be 100% perfect and behave 100% as it do in real life.
Seing Contador sprinting down Cav on a flat 140km long stage. That would have to be checked in the stats.
I do believe that perfection is nice but we can never get a game to perform that task. The riders are humans as we and prone to do the inthinkable.
Can you see an AI run team order Landa to stop like the last Giro stage ?
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 30-05-2015 16:53
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gotlandrules wrote:
82: Contador
80: Aru
79/80: Landa, Uran
78/79: Hesjedal
The rest is just too hard, especially since i don't know what they are at right now. If Kruijswijk is like 75 in the DB i don't think he should get 78/79 after this, but if he is already 77 then he should as an example
I like this opinion! not too sure where to put Uran, I would see him a little worse... not too sure about Trofimov, Amador and not to forget Kangert... Kangert, Amador and Konig are clearly solid grand tour riders, while Trofimov was in trouble at the end of this Giro...Geniez needs better Recovery for making him not only a stage hunter, and Bole needs a slight mountain upgrade to like 69-71
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