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| Paul23 |
Posted on 12-06-2015 20:28
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 12-06-2015 23:31
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Yet another sad day for the cycling World |
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 13-06-2015 11:02
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Movistar announces Tour de France list: Winner Anacona, Eros Capecchi, Jonathan Castroviejo, Imanol Erviti, John Gadret, José Herrada, Gorka Izagirre, Adriano Malori, José JoaquÃn Rojas, Rory Sutherland and Fran Ventoso obviously along with Q and Valverde.
Would be surprised if it didnt look like this: Valverde, Q, Rojas, Malori, Herrada, Izaguirre, Gadret, Castroviejo and Erviti.
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 13-06-2015 13:05
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Alessandro Petacchi has now officially retired at the age of 41. Incredible career. One of the (maybe The) best sprinters ever. His 53 grand tour stages are 3rd all time. At his peak he won 15-13-9 GT stages in consecutive years. And ofcourse one of 3 riders to do the triplet winning stages in all 3 GT's in the same year.
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 13-06-2015 14:49
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Spilak23 wrote:
Alessandro Petacchi has now officially retired at the age of 41. Incredible career. One of the (maybe The) best sprinters ever. His 53 grand tour stages are 3rd all time. At his peak he won 15-13-9 GT stages in consecutive years. And ofcourse one of 3 riders to do the triplet winning stages in all 3 GT's in the same year.
Lets hope he stays with cycling..it was fun to watch him at form. Even in solid age Ale_yet was able to win wide straight airport style sprints. |
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| Abelbaba |
Posted on 14-06-2015 16:47
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Don't know if its news but a theory why Froome looks at his steer all the time.
EDIT: Fixed your post - jph
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 14-06-2015 17:20
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actually nice and interesting theory |
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| nils erik |
Posted on 14-06-2015 21:18
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Movistar wrote:
Yes, you have a point that fans bring money indirectly, but you have to remember that fans aren't the ones who physically pay the salaries. So it's not like you can say, "Well, I pay your salary. Do as I please."
I find it quite rich that you can sit at home behind your PC screen and call this guy an idiot and coward. Any guy who manages to get to the top tier of the sport is a guy who has taken shit for years and trained his ass off for years. Perhaps you should try to see what its like to have a job where you physically punish yourself for 25-30hours a week; receive mediocre pay; get your ass handed to you at a 3week race by guys who are physically superior only because they dope; be put in a situation where the line between safety and serious injury is super thin; etc. etc.
Fans do have an influence and should, rightly so, have a say in things. But there as a fan you have no right to demand anything that unnecessarily compromises safety and health. A 230-something km stage in a GT is unnecessary.
So you think that without fans, the sponsors would pay the riders the salaries they do?
If you think that, you are an idiot.
So because I managed to get to the top tier or whatever tier of the thing I am good at, with all the known risks to my life involved I am not allowed to call out someone else for wanting the easiest way possible or basically a free lunch?
Guess what champ, he knew every single risk involved before he took the easy as he thought paycheck.
Considering the sport has been getting safer every year for decades. He is doing nothing but whining for a free paycheck.
I am sorry of ripping up in old posts, but I felt that I have to write something from a riders perspective. If I have been reading TSP the mountains, the descents and the high pace made the race much harder, but still tolerant, and I agree. I have ridden races reaching over 100 km/h and races so hard that only 15 out of 150 have reached the finish line. Just a month ago I rode Hadeland GP, where a crash occurred in 75 km/h, because of a descent with a 180 degree right turn (which are worse than left turns, btw, as you only use the right side when training). I know 3 riders, who misses the rest of the season, because of that crash. We do not earn anything from the sport; noone is whining, because we do it of free will. That is the same for TSP. He does not like the scary descents and hard mountains put in just for tv show, and that should be all right for him. That does not mean he would stop doing what he loves.
Bad road conditions and obstacles in the road is something completely different. These are often things that are easy to fix/stay away from, and it can do us riders much more harm than the descents. When decending you can ride defensively if you want to avoid crashes. With tram tracks in the road it is dangerous, no matter where you are and what pace you are riding, and in the back of the peloton where the most uncomfortable guts often are, it is especially dangerous. Bad asphalt is a hell to ride, and the final stage of the giro made me afraid, just by seeing it on the tv.
For us amateur riders we have our own set of unwritten rules. To whine about the route is not aloud, but to whine about the road standards are aloud. Still, we ride races by our own will, and for a person who has this as a job and potentially can end his career because of hazardious routes, I reckon this as a duty. Safety first. |
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| Movistar |
Posted on 15-06-2015 03:13
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Abelbaba wrote:
Don't know if its news but a theory why Froome looks at his steer all the time.
EDIT: Fixed your post - jph
So why does he keep looking at his watts meter then?
Great fantasy theory though. |
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| Movistar |
Posted on 15-06-2015 03:20
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[b]Just a month ago I rode Hadeland GP, where a crash occurred in 75 km/h, because of a descent with a 180 degree right turn (which are worse than left turns, btw, as you only use the right side when training). I know 3 riders, who misses the rest of the season, because of that crash. We do not earn anything from the sport; noone is whining, because we do it of free will. That is the same for TSP. He does not like the scary descents and hard mountains put in just for tv show, and that should be all right for him. That does not mean he would stop doing what he loves.
There could be other points to discuss but I didnt want to make a messy post.
So you think TSP doesnt get paid? He just rode the Giro and got paid..... He could have not rode the race if he didnt thing the money was worth the risks.
You are not racing Nascar and suddenly are on a course you have never practiced before with all right turns, you have never trained on a right turn in training?
I know folks from almost every major pro sport in America and holy shit have I never heard a bunch of whiny people doing anything before.
Why do you feel the need to keep making excuses for a guy who clearly isnt very good and is lucky to get paid to do something much easier than a real job.
Somehow multiple people on this site want to keep defending a guy who probably shouldnt be in the pro peloton anyway. |
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| CountArach |
Posted on 15-06-2015 05:43
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Movistar wrote:
Why do you feel the need to keep making excuses for a guy who clearly isnt very good and is lucky to get paid to do something much easier than a real job.
Wow that's a pretty clueless statement right there. Easier than a real job? Go and read a single autobiography from a cyclist or hell even just an interview with them and then come back here and say that. The amount of work that these guys put in every day for 9 or so months of the year compared to the amount of money that most of them are earning is pretty ridiculous. Not to mention the press, travel time on team buses etc. They work damn hard
Not very good? Give me a fucking break. You can't be not very good and still finish a GT. Most riders will have a handful of wins across a 10+ year long career and will still be kickass riders who just play for their team. Adam Hansen has 4 wins. Is he good by your definition of the term? You are totally clueless.
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| Eden95 |
Posted on 15-06-2015 07:54
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That's also not to mention the emotional stress being a professional cyclist places on yourself or family. It's a lifestyle, and as a result the cyclist's family can suffer. Cyclists (and more generally, athletes) encounter very high rates of divorce, and prolonged periods of time away from family each season cause high stress
Edited by Eden95 on 15-06-2015 07:55
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| CountArach |
Posted on 15-06-2015 08:00
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Eden95 wrote:
That's also not to mention the emotional stress being a professional cyclist places on yourself or family. It's a lifestyle, and as a result the cyclist's family can suffer. Cyclists (and more generally, athletes) encounter very high rates of divorce, and prolonged periods of time away from family each season cause high stress
Yes how many normal jobs require you to live apart from your family, constantly travelling for months on end and regulating your diet the whole year round? Then give you no clear retirement plan, qualifications, or life skills when you are done?
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| Eden95 |
Posted on 15-06-2015 08:02
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The army?
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| CountArach |
Posted on 15-06-2015 08:08
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Eden95 wrote:
The army?
At least the army pays for some sort of vocational training or puts you on a government funded retirement package.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 15-06-2015 08:17
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CountArach wrote:
Eden95 wrote:
That's also not to mention the emotional stress being a professional cyclist places on yourself or family. It's a lifestyle, and as a result the cyclist's family can suffer. Cyclists (and more generally, athletes) encounter very high rates of divorce, and prolonged periods of time away from family each season cause high stress
Yes how many normal jobs require you to live apart from your family, constantly travelling for months on end and regulating your diet the whole year round? Then give you no clear retirement plan, qualifications, or life skills when you are done?
i wonder why anybody is a professional cyclist,when it is hardest job on earth. which is paid almost nothing, as you guys make it look. Of course Movistar puts it into another extreme.
Of course cycling is hard job, maybe even cruel, but is it harder then being a surgeon, fireman or a teacher for example? It is simply different, yet not in any means so important to our society unlike the other jobs i listed, while it is still paid very very good. Yeah, it is brutal, but it is still riding a bike...
Try working on emrgency for a fraction of an amount of what an average professional cyclist earn...
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| roturn |
Posted on 15-06-2015 08:22
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Eden named it well. It's more than a job. It's a lifestyle and so obviously a decision by the riders and they are well aware of the money and dangers.
But this isn't the main discussion. It's about specific dangers on a route that clearly are avoidable. Only about those the TSP is ranting. The normal risks that come with the sport are taken by them without any issues.
But things like in Pais Vasco final kilometer are avoidable. And same for some special difficulties on a GTs final stage as well.
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| CountArach |
Posted on 15-06-2015 08:31
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
CountArach wrote:
Eden95 wrote:
That's also not to mention the emotional stress being a professional cyclist places on yourself or family. It's a lifestyle, and as a result the cyclist's family can suffer. Cyclists (and more generally, athletes) encounter very high rates of divorce, and prolonged periods of time away from family each season cause high stress
Yes how many normal jobs require you to live apart from your family, constantly travelling for months on end and regulating your diet the whole year round? Then give you no clear retirement plan, qualifications, or life skills when you are done?
i wonder why anybody is a professional cyclist,when it is hardest job on earth. which is paid almost nothing, as you guys make it look. Of course Movistar puts it into another extreme.
Of course cycling is hard job, maybe even cruel, but is it harder then being a surgeon, fireman or a teacher for example? It is simply different, yet not in any means so important to our society unlike the other jobs i listed, while it is still paid very very good. Yeah, it is brutal, but it is still riding a bike...
Try working on emrgency for a fraction of an amount of what an average professional cyclist earn...
I agree. Just pointing out the stupidity of Movistar's comments. It is a tough job for relatively little pay unless you are at the very top.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 15-06-2015 08:44
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roturn wrote:
But things like in Pais Vasco final kilometer are avoidable. And same for some special difficulties on a GTs final stage as well.
Yeah, i also believe that sometimes the route should be made with better understanding of dangers for the cyclists, but i can also imagine how hard it can be for a route planners to make the route always super safe, when you want an attractive finish in a city. Not every city has a 2kms long boulevard, when you can safely finish a GT or WT stage. Certainly not in a Basque country. 
Every coin has two sides and i dont think that route planning is easy job either. Riders safet is not only thing to consider there and that is modern sports reality. 
I agree that Movistar is way too harsh on riders though.
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 15-06-2015 08:53
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CountArach wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
CountArach wrote:
Eden95 wrote:
That's also not to mention the emotional stress being a professional cyclist places on yourself or family. It's a lifestyle, and as a result the cyclist's family can suffer. Cyclists (and more generally, athletes) encounter very high rates of divorce, and prolonged periods of time away from family each season cause high stress
Yes how many normal jobs require you to live apart from your family, constantly travelling for months on end and regulating your diet the whole year round? Then give you no clear retirement plan, qualifications, or life skills when you are done?
i wonder why anybody is a professional cyclist,when it is hardest job on earth. which is paid almost nothing, as you guys make it look. Of course Movistar puts it into another extreme.
Of course cycling is hard job, maybe even cruel, but is it harder then being a surgeon, fireman or a teacher for example? It is simply different, yet not in any means so important to our society unlike the other jobs i listed, while it is still paid very very good. Yeah, it is brutal, but it is still riding a bike...
Try working on emrgency for a fraction of an amount of what an average professional cyclist earn...
I agree. Just pointing out the stupidity of Movistar's comments. It is a tough job for relatively little pay unless you are at the very top.
Riders in the World Tour get paid very well.
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