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| Riis123 |
Posted on 19-01-2015 15:56
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Kiserlovski01 wrote:
Southeast is the former Yellow Fluo / Neri Sottoli, not that this fact should've earned them a wildcard 
Ups, I realized that as well. But they are basically a bunch of no names with Petacchi still apart from some decently known riders... and Polsat have Rebellin, and Vini Fantini have Cunego. Just sad that those riders way past their primes can earn a wildcard ahead of Columbia. Im perfectly fine with Androni and Bardiani tho, but come on. |
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 19-01-2015 16:00
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I hope they will apply for a wildcard in the Vuelta, they better at least get one of the GTs. Their material is just that much better than the mediocre second and their tier teams from Italy, Spain and France.. |
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 19-01-2015 16:07
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Riis123 wrote:
Kiserlovski01 wrote:
Southeast is the former Yellow Fluo / Neri Sottoli, not that this fact should've earned them a wildcard
Ups, I realized that as well. But they are basically a bunch of no names with Petacchi still apart from some decently known riders... and Polsat have Rebellin, and Vini Fantini have Cunego. Just sad that those riders way past their primes can earn a wildcard ahead of Columbia. Im perfectly fine with Androni and Bardiani tho, but come on.
I am not sure I understand what you are saying here, whether SouthEast are good or bad team?
They are very good PCT team, and more than enough for Giro. Gavazzi and Ponzi are WT class riders, not going mention any results, but both score consistently in 300-500 CQ points. Finetto last year was amazing, 700 CQ points amazing results. These three could easily grab a stage win somewhere at Giro.
Then we have Andriato, Chichi Pettachi and Belleti. Should be a very decent train this, and lots of options. Pettachi good enough still for good results, and if he doesn't feel good on specific day, Belleti is ever consistent. Then we even have likes of roulers like Fedi who podiumed a WT classics last year and has promising future.
Finetto, Ponzi and Gavazzi are more than possible stage winners, strong sprint presence and stroung roulers for breaks. This is a very good wildcard team.
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 19-01-2015 16:31
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Im probably a little biased here since I love the Columbia-squad in the Giro, but just looking at that specific team compared to Columbia feels underwhelming. My point was that they have Petacchi who obviously is a good name to have there + some other decent riders who are incapable of doing anything in the mountains/GC-wise compared to what Columbia, but also Androni and Bardiani are bringing to the table..
But I guess that Vini and CCC are the teams to look at and ask what they have done to earn themselves a Wild Card ahead of Columbia before Southeast, even though I still like Columbia a lot better than Southeast due to them having some very good climbers. |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 19-01-2015 16:37
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Well Vini is Italian and is all they need. CCC is the one i question, it's not a bad team but did they derseve it me than Colombia or UHC (whom everyone seems to forget). I don't think so but i hpoe they can show something new
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 19-01-2015 16:42
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I guess, but Vini are still way thinner than Columbia and their star hasnt done jackshit the last couple of years which I doubt will change this year.. and CCC have Rebellin and Szmyd which is still meh. |
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| ryant |
Posted on 19-01-2015 17:01
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Columbia have had their chance, and haven't managed a single stage win compared to the Italian teams (who obviously have an advantage).
Of course its sad we probably wont see them but Columbia have only been active in the tough stages, Southeast for example are much more versatile...
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| Cossack |
Posted on 19-01-2015 18:09
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For CCC it will be the second Giro, last time they rode in 2003 with Dariusz Baranowski (former Banesto and US Postal rider) getting 12th GC.
This time, they are mostly known because of Rebellin and Schumacher (don't know Shumacher's current form and strengths but Rebellin can definitely do something similar to last year's Ulissi with a stage win or high placings on hilly stages). Also they have recently hired Szmyd, who was very anonymous in last two years in Movistar, but before in Liquigas he was a beasty domestique for Basso and I will never forget watching his endless attacks against Contador and Brajkovic on Alpe d'Huez during 2010 Dauphine: https://www.youtu...sN-SWQ7kP4 
With some freshness and good form I can see him getting some decent results.
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Posted on 19-01-2015 18:25
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I am not amused about ccc getting this wildcard...a team full of old leaders, doping is a real issue in the past of these riders...
UHC would have deserved a chance as well as Caja Rural...Lasca could have done something in the sprints as well as their great attacking style of racing...UHC has a team with captains successful in Italy already and really strengthend themselves.
At least Colombia did well...always a loveable team in the mountains...for example at the great second place from Duarte in the snow last year...they would be my first choice
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 19-01-2015 18:39
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Honestly, its not the fact that Columbia surely is a team better suited for a wildcard in the Giro than CCC, its the fact that you also points to about their loveability or whatever you wanna call it. Casual fans love opportunistic, aggressive and to some extend attacks doomed to fail in the mountains. They kinda play the role of Euskaltel in the Tour and I just cant grasp why they can fail to realise that when handing out wildcards...
Then again, Im probably just biased when it comes to this. I just feel that Columbia is a part of the Giro and sad to be without their opportunism in the mountains this year.
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| weirdskyfan64 |
Posted on 19-01-2015 19:33
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Probably already mentioned, but Ulissi's got a backdated nine month ban for testing positive to salbutamol, an asthma inhaler drug, say Lampre.
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| krisa |
Posted on 19-01-2015 19:42
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Alakagom wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
Kiserlovski01 wrote:
Southeast is the former Yellow Fluo / Neri Sottoli, not that this fact should've earned them a wildcard
Ups, I realized that as well. But they are basically a bunch of no names with Petacchi still apart from some decently known riders... and Polsat have Rebellin, and Vini Fantini have Cunego. Just sad that those riders way past their primes can earn a wildcard ahead of Columbia. Im perfectly fine with Androni and Bardiani tho, but come on.
I am not sure I understand what you are saying here, whether SouthEast are good or bad team?
They are very good PCT team, and more than enough for Giro. Gavazzi and Ponzi are WT class riders, not going mention any results, but both score consistently in 300-500 CQ points. Finetto last year was amazing, 700 CQ points amazing results. These three could easily grab a stage win somewhere at Giro.
Then we have Andriato, Chichi Pettachi and Belleti. Should be a very decent train this, and lots of options. Pettachi good enough still for good results, and if he doesn't feel good on specific day, Belleti is ever consistent. Then we even have likes of roulers like Fedi who podiumed a WT classics last year and has promising future.
Finetto, Ponzi and Gavazzi are more than possible stage winners, strong sprint presence and stroung roulers for breaks. This is a very good wildcard team. You forgot youngster Mareczko, he sure will ride great in San Luis
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| krisa |
Posted on 19-01-2015 19:43
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Selwink wrote:
At least we've know definitvely learnt the MPCC is totally useless. Bull shit, they got an automatic wild card by winning the coppa italia
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 19-01-2015 19:47
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krisa wrote:
Alakagom wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
Kiserlovski01 wrote:
Southeast is the former Yellow Fluo / Neri Sottoli, not that this fact should've earned them a wildcard
Ups, I realized that as well. But they are basically a bunch of no names with Petacchi still apart from some decently known riders... and Polsat have Rebellin, and Vini Fantini have Cunego. Just sad that those riders way past their primes can earn a wildcard ahead of Columbia. Im perfectly fine with Androni and Bardiani tho, but come on.
I am not sure I understand what you are saying here, whether SouthEast are good or bad team?
They are very good PCT team, and more than enough for Giro. Gavazzi and Ponzi are WT class riders, not going mention any results, but both score consistently in 300-500 CQ points. Finetto last year was amazing, 700 CQ points amazing results. These three could easily grab a stage win somewhere at Giro.
Then we have Andriato, Chichi Pettachi and Belleti. Should be a very decent train this, and lots of options. Pettachi good enough still for good results, and if he doesn't feel good on specific day, Belleti is ever consistent. Then we even have likes of roulers like Fedi who podiumed a WT classics last year and has promising future.
Finetto, Ponzi and Gavazzi are more than possible stage winners, strong sprint presence and stroung roulers for breaks. This is a very good wildcard team. You forgot youngster Mareczko, he sure will ride great in San Luis
Of course, I didn't mention him as he may be too young to already ride a Grand Tour. For sure he's one to keep an eye on.
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| krisa |
Posted on 19-01-2015 20:02
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Alakagom wrote:
krisa wrote:
Alakagom wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
Kiserlovski01 wrote:
Southeast is the former Yellow Fluo / Neri Sottoli, not that this fact should've earned them a wildcard
Ups, I realized that as well. But they are basically a bunch of no names with Petacchi still apart from some decently known riders... and Polsat have Rebellin, and Vini Fantini have Cunego. Just sad that those riders way past their primes can earn a wildcard ahead of Columbia. Im perfectly fine with Androni and Bardiani tho, but come on.
I am not sure I understand what you are saying here, whether SouthEast are good or bad team?
They are very good PCT team, and more than enough for Giro. Gavazzi and Ponzi are WT class riders, not going mention any results, but both score consistently in 300-500 CQ points. Finetto last year was amazing, 700 CQ points amazing results. These three could easily grab a stage win somewhere at Giro.
Then we have Andriato, Chichi Pettachi and Belleti. Should be a very decent train this, and lots of options. Pettachi good enough still for good results, and if he doesn't feel good on specific day, Belleti is ever consistent. Then we even have likes of roulers like Fedi who podiumed a WT classics last year and has promising future.
Finetto, Ponzi and Gavazzi are more than possible stage winners, strong sprint presence and stroung roulers for breaks. This is a very good wildcard team. You forgot youngster Mareczko, he sure will ride great in San Luis
Of course, I didn't mention him as he may be too young to already ride a Grand Tour. For sure he's one to keep an eye on. He can become the new Guardini/Modolo Maybe he can grow better.
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| CountArach |
Posted on 19-01-2015 22:11
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Selwink wrote:
At least we've know definitvely learnt the MPCC is totally useless.
You seem to be confused about what the MPCC is:
https://inrng.com/...explained/
Nothing to do with this.
Anyway I'm super disappointed in CCC on their new might-as-well-be-Christina-Watches guise getting this high profile.
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| Selwink |
Posted on 19-01-2015 22:13
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I wasn't actually. MPCC teams were also supposed to be likelier to get a wild card, but when teams like these get wildcards you can wonder about the function, as the suspension for insignificant races doesn't matter/is against UCI rules.
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| krisa |
Posted on 20-01-2015 07:13
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Selwink wrote:
I wasn't actually. MPCC teams were also supposed to be likelier to get a wild card, but when teams like these get wildcards you can wonder about the function, as the suspension for insignificant races doesn't matter/is against UCI rules. You are talking about CCC? Southeast is also member but they use dope.
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| CountArach |
Posted on 20-01-2015 07:40
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Selwink wrote:
I wasn't actually. MPCC teams were also supposed to be likelier to get a wild card, but when teams like these get wildcards you can wonder about the function, as the suspension for insignificant races doesn't matter/is against UCI rules.
Wildcards are distributed by race organisers, in this case RCS. I believe that ASO were committed to helping MPCC teams to get wildcards but I'm not aware of RCS making the same commitment.
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 20-01-2015 11:49
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