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| jt1109 |
Posted on 27-01-2015 10:45
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SotD wrote:
But what is a world beater? I think we need to define that. In my oppinion Phinney is a world beater, Bewley is a world beater... Is riders such as Herklotz in that category?
I'd say any rider who can hit the top 10 in a WT race as soon as Maxed in one of GC, Hills, Cobbles and Sprint so Ewan, Herklotz I would have in these category's and the same for Sicard as although he is Maxed and not a winner straight away goes into a top 10 in a tour first time I see him as a world beater. |
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| fjhoekie |
Posted on 27-01-2015 10:57
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Agreed, Top 10 in his discipline without training is world beater quality imo. So if a GC rider would be added as world beater this season his maxed stats should be close to the likes of Nibali, Brajkovic and Dekker. Probably a tad lower tho, just to avoid mega stat-inflation.
The people just under that should be comparable to riders like Guldhammer or Henao when maxed, meaning they need some training in order to compete for the win.
Now with most of these riders at the age of 27/28/29 I think it's possible to add slightly worse talents to avoid stat inflation as we have now. They would max out at the time when the big guns (almost) start declining. I don't have time to check the ages in other disciplines, but I would imagine some similarities there.
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Posted on 27-01-2015 13:08
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Making the talents slightly worse that so far would be a good idea imo. So instead of making the best climbing talents 83-84 MO, perhaps give them 81. That way they are still among the best once they are ready (after 3 years). Then the GC guys could be 79MO and 77TT or something like that. It would require training to make them win races, but I really don't mind that. I like training riders, so as long as we can reduce the amount of crazy 83+ riders I think that is good.
There would be a couple of seasons where these talents are not the best riders, but liek fjhoekie said most of them will catch up eventually, once the top riders are starting to decline.
I guess Lecuisiner and Coquard is also world beaters, and as such A LOT of talents are. I suspect Lecuisnier will do a low end top 10 GC in the TdF when he is maxed, and I see no reason why Coquard shouldn't be able to win a stage or 2. Not Boonen/Bewley/Swift class, but just below in the category of many many others.
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| jph27 |
Posted on 30-01-2015 21:02
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Missed this discussion earlier in the week so thought I'd chip in now. On the issue of adding top talents, I don't see an issue as long as they're not overpowered - say 82 Max in their main stat - and not too many are added. I suppose numbers could be regulated by looking at the number of declining 80+ riders from this season in MO, HIL, TT, COB and SP and trying to keep it similar - adding 1 or 2 to the rider types with very few to compensate for the recent game expansion. What do people think? |
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| Bikex |
Posted on 01-02-2015 18:59
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Okay I'd also like to post some suggestions. For now that's only Thai riders + Cheng Ji, but I'll probably look into some other Asian countries over the next days. I hope my suggestions are okay and not overpowered or something.
| ID | Surname | First name | Fl | Mo | Hl | TT | St | Rs | Rc | Cb | Sp | Ac | Ft | Dh | Pl | Nat. | Cont. | XP Level | XP Points | D | M | Year | Pot | | 1146 | Chawchiangkuang | Peerapol | 73 | 68 | 73 | 58 | 72 | 68 | 67 | 58 | 69 | 73 | 80 | 73 | 60 | THA | AS | 4 | 100 | 17 | 10 | 1986 | 4 | | Hinthao | Youthaporn | 71 | 62 | 70 | 65 | 71 | 70 | 69 | 71 | 61 | 65 | 75 | 71 | 65 | THA | AS | 4 | 100 | 6 | 8 | 1982 | 3 | | Changpad | Kritsada | 69 | 64 | 69 | 60 | 67 | 66 | 66 | 62 | 66 | 69 | 71 | 67 | 61 | THA | AS | 2 | 0 | 5 | 4 | 1991 | 3 | | Changpad | Kritsada | 70 | 67 | 75 | 60 | 71 | 69 | 69 | 62 | 67 | 73 | 75 | 68 | 61 | | | | | | | | | | Yordsuwan | Setthawut | 68 | 61 | 67 | 60 | 67 | 65 | 67 | 59 | 69 | 70 | 67 | 68 | 62 | THA | AS | 1 | 0 | 18 | 3 | 1994 | 5 | | Yordsuwan | Setthawut | 71 | 64 | 77 | 61 | 75 | 69 | 71 | 59 | 73 | 79 | 72 | 69 | 63 | | | | | | | | | | Yordsuwan | Setthawut | 75 | 62 | 70 | 60 | 74 | 68 | 79 | 64 | 79 | 79 | 67 | 69 | 62 | | | | | | | | | | Thanchai | Tanasak | 71 | 65 | 65 | 72 | 67 | 67 | 69 | 68 | 62 | 62 | 63 | 68 | 72 | THA | AS | 4 | 100 | 25 | 1 | 1986 | 3 | | 768 | Ji | Cheng | 74 | 69 | 70 | 63 | 72 | 70 | 73 | 55 | 57 | 61 | 69 | 67 | 63 | CHN | AS | 4 | 100 | 15 | 7 | 1987 | 4 |
Peerapol became Thai Champion of 2014 and already the year before he was third. Judging by the gaps the races were hilly and both times he won the sprint of a select group. That's why I gave him a better Acc and Sprint. In general I raised almost all his stats, hoe that's fine
I don't know much about Youthaporn Hinthao. I just liked his name. I guess he likes it hard.
Changpad became 2nd at the national Thai championships, other than that he hasn't that much of a good results, but he might develop in a decent puncheur.
Yordsuwan seems to be the most talented rider from Thailand. Already 2011,12 he had promising sprint results at the Tour de l'Abiti where he came into the top 10 in several stages. 2014 he was one of the best Thai riders at the Tour of Thailand, finishing in the pelton in most of the stages. His best result was 13th in a sprint stage. But also in a harder stage he got into the top 15, so it seems that on top of his strong sprint he could also develop some climbing skills. So I added two possible development variants, one being hills and the other sprinters. I hope he is not to overpowered, that way.
Thanchai was the next best rider at theTT Thai championships behind riders that are already in the db and signed. He is surely not that strong but maybe worth to add.
I think Cheng Ji deserves an update as he is in reality not much of a climber. He pulled the peloton in the Tour and other races over very long distances. I decreased his mountain stat and gave him an update on flar and the energy stats.
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| roturn |
Posted on 17-02-2015 18:43
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Two more suggestions.
 Alessandro Bazzana
https://www.procyc...eason=2015
| ID | Surname | First name | Fl | Mo | Hl | TT | St | Rs | Rc | Cb | Sp | Ac | Ft | Dh | Pl | Nat. | Cont. | XP Level | XP Points | D | M | Year | Pot | | Bazzana | Alessandro | 74 | 64 | 73 | 63 | 74 | 72 | 72 | 68 | 69 | 74 | 75 | 65 | 63 | ITA | EU | 4 | 100 | 16 | 7 | 1984 | 4 |
Already a bit older but still someone, who could be a good addition. He did perform well in recent seasons and is a decent hilly rider but also seems to be good on long classics finding the right move and not too bad in a sprint out of smaller groups. Also top10s in longer races.
The second one is already in the DB as maxed rider but could need a small stat upgrade.
Marco Canola
https://www.procyc...eason=2015
| ID | Surname | First name | Fl | Mo | Hl | TT | St | Rs | Rc | Cb | Sp | Ac | Ft | Dh | Pl | Nat. | Cont. | XP Level | XP Points | D | M | Year | Pot | | 302 | Canola | Marco | 70 | 64 | 73 | 69 | 73 | 71 | 70 | 62 | 75 | 76 | 74 | 66 | 69 | ITA | EU | 4 | 100 | 26 | 12 | 1988 | 4 |
He won a Giro stage last year and was active in Tirreno. With his 2015 performances he proved to have made the next step. Decent sprint results in San Luis, a really good performance in Dubai as 5th in the hilly stage getting himself a nice GC and recently in Murcia another top10 on hilly terrain.
In the DB so far, he is a very mediocre sprinter. In real he seems to be a decent puncheur with a decent sprint as well.
He could even be considered to be 4.00 only, even though with 26 years being maxed also is okay. |
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| cio93 |
Posted on 17-02-2015 19:13
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Silvio Herklotz wrote:
I am not in the ManGame already
Shut up, you are in the ManGame already 
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| Dippofix |
Posted on 21-02-2015 18:18
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| ID | Surname | First name | Fl | Mo | Hl | TT | St | Rs | Rc | Cb | Sp | Ac | Ft | Dh | Pl | Nat. | Cont. | XP Level | XP Points | D | M | Year | Pot | | Foley | Dylan | 71 | 66 | 75 | 65 | 74 | 72 | 70 | 58 | 68 | 74 | 75 | 70 | 65 | IRL | EU | 1 | 0 | 4 | 10 | 1995 | 5 | | McKenna | Sean | 74 | 64 | 70 | 64 | 72 | 71 | 71 | 60 | 71 | 71 | 79 | 73 | 64 | IRL | EU | 3 | 0 | 8 | 3 | 1994 | 4 | | Clarke | Paddy | 70 | 71 | 72 | 70 | 70 | 71 | 73 | 61 | 62 | 68 | 74 | 68 | 70 | IRL | EU | 4 | 100 | 8 | 12 | 1987 | 4 | | Shaw | Damien | 69 | 73 | 74 | 63 | 74 | 73 | 70 | 52 | 69 | 74 | 76 | 71 | 63 | IRL | EU | 4 | 100 | 10 | 7 | 1984 | 5 |
(All stats are what they should be when maxed out)
Dylan Foley did very well on the Irish domestic scene last year, winning a stage at the Ras Mumhan (biggest stage race in the country after the "big" Ras), the aquablue classic and podiums at four other classics, while being still only 18. Judging by the time gaps and the competition, he's definitely a puncher, but also a solid sprinter and of course also someone who likes to attack. He obviously won't ever win La Doyenne, but something around 75 HI once developed seems realistic. PCS CQ CDB
Sean McKenna is another young Irish rider (one year older than Foley) and mainly excelled through consistency. He took a win in the Peter Bidwell memorial as well as 11 other top ten results throughout the season. He also led the Ras Mumhan for a time, but a bad crash destroyed hopes of winning the overall. He seems like a typical allrounder who can do a bit of sprinting, take hills allright, but also has a big fighting spirit. PCS CQ CDB
Paddy Clarke is the overall winner of the Ras Mumhan, and podiumed other stage races on the domestic scene, like the Tour of Connacht. He's already 27, so I'd add him maxed. PCS CQ CDB
Damien Shaw is a rather old addition, but definitely someone worthwhile. He had a really good year on the domestic scene, taking seven wins, amongst them the most prestigious Irish classic, the Shay Elliott memorial, which is a very tricky race through the Wicklow mountains. He also did quite well in the An Post Ras, taking fourth on stage three. PCS CQ CDB
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| Scorchio |
Posted on 21-02-2015 23:11
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Thanks to all for the discussion following my last posts - good to have others opinions, interpretation of SN as chief implementer and the others that shared their experience of how we have arrived where we are today. No offense intended towards The Hobbit - was quite funny that I randomly identified Iceland as a nation without any riders in db, and limited cycling heritage, and hey presto. OK, maybe I should have said the Faroe Islands instead (hopefully SN hasn't had an enquiry based around a team from there!)
Our Colombian compadre Stromeon has already put forward a load of suggestions for younger emeging Colombians, and others have picked up on the likes of potential future superstars like Lopez and Gavira (impressive in the omnium at todays Worlds for those watching!). In wading through the Colombian riders in the db, it is interesting to note that the majority of unsigned riders either are not listed at all on PCS, or the most recent listing is circa 2010 (f.e.). Following my improved understanding of how this is supposed to work, I have a couple of riders to propose from Colombia. The first is a suggested re-rating:
 Rodolfo Andres Torres (in db as named below, same date of birth) https://www.procyclingstats.com/rider....eason=2015
| 995 | Torres Agudelo | Rodolfo | 60 | 65 | 59 | 57 | 61 | 65 | 62 | 50 | 56 | 60 | 61 | 61 | 57 | COL | SA | 4 | 100 | 21 | 3 | 1987 | 4 | | 995 | Torres | Rodolfo Andres | 67 | 74 | 70 | 73 | 72 | 69 | 70 | 50 | 60 | 65 | 60 | 64 | 67 | COL | SA | 4 | 100 | 21 | 3 | 1987 | 4 |
Torres has had a great start to this season, particualrly his showing at the Tour de San Luis (2nd + KoM). He also has a solid palmares in 2014 (nothing spectacular), but did make it round his first GT at the Giro, so with his age, suggest he stays fully maxed at 4.100.
Two additional riders with careers already developing follow:
| Jaramillo | Daniel Alexander | 72 | 75 | 73 | 62 | 71 | 69 | 71 | 68 | 60 | 68 | 65 | 62 | 60 | COL | SA | 4 | 0 | 15 | 1 | 1991 | 4 | | Suarez | Juan Pablo | 71 | 72 | 71 | 67 | 72 | 70 | 71 | 58 | 74 | 72 | 72 | 62 | 67 | COL | SA | 4 | 100 | 30 | 5 | 1985 | 4 |
Daniel Alexander Jaramillo https://www.procyclingstats.com/rider....eason=2015
Daniel had a breakout season in 2014, finishing 7th in the UCI Americas standing. He has been with various CT teams since turning 18, hence suggest 4.0 starting XP (stats listed for maxed out). He performed well in a whole range of terrains across the Americas tour including 1-day races, e.g. 5th @ Philly, and 2nd at this years National RR as well as Tours, (top 20 at Utah and California, 5th and 2 stage victories at Gila, 8th at this years San Luis) which I have tried to reflect.
Juan Pablo Suarez https://www.procyclingstats.com/rider/...blo_Suarez
Juan Pablo is unlikely to set WT races on fire, but has a steady career. The 29 year old is entering his 6th season on the professional circuit, and is a solid team performer on the SA circuit; hence I've proposed him as a jack-of-all-trades without any stand out abilities. Last year included top 10 GC's overall in 3 of SA continents major stage races (Guatemala, Colombia and Rio), as well as a podium at NC RR and the Pan-American championships (also 4th in TT)). In MG terms, only got a couple of good years left in him, but would do a job for now.
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| Cycleman123 |
Posted on 21-02-2015 23:22
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Let's get Aidan van Niekerk in there 
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| Dippofix |
Posted on 22-02-2015 00:03
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Cycleman123 wrote:
Let's get Aidan van Niekerk in there
Only about two years too young.
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 22-02-2015 00:13
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Dippofix wrote:
Cycleman123 wrote:
Let's get Aidan van Niekerk in there
Only about two years too young.
I think exceptions can be made in such cases don't you think
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| Luis Leon Sanchez |
Posted on 22-02-2015 00:24
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Alakagom wrote:
Dippofix wrote:
Cycleman123 wrote:
Let's get Aidan van Niekerk in there
Only about two years too young.
I think exceptions can be made in such cases don't you think
Let him improve further so he can be a super talent.
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 22-02-2015 00:26
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Luis Leon Sanchez wrote:
Alakagom wrote:
Dippofix wrote:
Cycleman123 wrote:
Let's get Aidan van Niekerk in there
Only about two years too young.
I think exceptions can be made in such cases don't you think
Let him improve further so he can be a super talent.
Can someone enlighten me? Is this the new Eddy Bos? |
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| cio93 |
Posted on 22-02-2015 00:33
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Deadpool wrote:
Luis Leon Sanchez wrote:
Alakagom wrote:
Dippofix wrote:
Cycleman123 wrote:
Let's get Aidan van Niekerk in there
Only about two years too young.
I think exceptions can be made in such cases don't you think
Let him improve further so he can be a super talent.
Can someone enlighten me? Is this the new Eddy Bos?
It's rather the new Richard Cleaver, though with results to back everything up
https://www.procyclingstats.com/rider/...an_Niekerk
https://pcmdaily.com/profile.php?looku...okup=45942
Edited by cio93 on 22-02-2015 00:34
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Posted on 22-02-2015 00:39
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cio93 wrote:
Deadpool wrote:
Luis Leon Sanchez wrote:
Alakagom wrote:
Dippofix wrote:
Cycleman123 wrote:
Let's get Aidan van Niekerk in there
Only about two years too young.
I think exceptions can be made in such cases don't you think
Let him improve further so he can be a super talent.
Can someone enlighten me? Is this the new Eddy Bos?
It's rather the new Richard Cleaver, though with results to back everything up
https://www.procyclingstats.com/rider/...an_Niekerk
https://pcmdaily.com/profile.php?looku...okup=45942
Ah, I see. That's awesome. Hopefully he can follow in the footsteps of one of our other members...
https://pcmdaily.com/profile.php?looku...lookup=353
Look at the Giro di Lombardia posts. One of the funniest moments ever on the site. |
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| cio93 |
Posted on 22-02-2015 00:41
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I was already around back then, no need to remind me 
Though when you said follow in the footstep of another member, I was certain you meant the 16th best cyclocrosser in the world in 2004...
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 22-02-2015 00:42
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cio93 wrote:
I was already around back then, no need to remind me
Though when you said follow in the footstep of another member, I was certain you meant the 16th best cyclocrosser in the world in 2004...
I know. That was for all the newer folks... |
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| cio93 |
Posted on 22-02-2015 00:51
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Yeah everyone should be aware those two things happened on this site
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 22-02-2015 11:23
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Scorchio's post reminds me I should finish writing up about the riders I want to put forward. Ignore my stats suggestion about Gaviria btw, that was before San Luis and while I thought him talented, I didn't know he was that good
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