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| SweatyViking |
Posted on 16-09-2012 22:10
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Crommy wrote:
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I'm not. I believe that abortion is a last resort - and that we should encourage women to carry on with the pregnancy and instead make them put the child up for adoption - or keep it themselves.
In Norway, lots of families are waiting for adoption and foster children.
Have you got any sources for that?
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Danke! Can I ask what Norway's abortion laws are?
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 16-09-2012 22:12
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jseadog1 wrote:
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My view on abortion - ''THE CHOICE IS YOURS''
The choice should also be mine to kill everybody I want, and do full graphic, real life reanactments of Grand Theft Auto on the streets, then bathe myself in my victim's blood.
It is, but consequences will occur 
Exactly my point.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 16-09-2012 22:16
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baseballlover312 wrote:
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First of all, we (me, at least, and I don't think Aquarius either) don't try to pin you as anything. Aquarius simply explained his view on abortion. Same with me and healthcare. You were just sort of the trigger (at least after I realized you didn't say what I thought you did). The first "insult" of this conversation is in your last sentence.
Funny that five or so messages above there was a text depicting Americans (not all of them obviously), as having a monopoly on the truth. "To hell with you if you disagree with me". Die hard clichés. 
How funny. That's exactly what your doing.
I'm not the one refusing to read and answer to arguments. I'm always keen to change my opinion when I get counter-arguments that are sensed and that I can't match.
Of course if the other person starts cursing, etc. it's unlikely that I'm going to change my opinion. |
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 16-09-2012 22:17
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baseballlover312 wrote:
jseadog1 wrote:
My view on abortion - ''THE CHOICE IS YOURS''
The choice should also be mine to kill everybody I want, and do full graphic, real life reanactments of Grand Theft Auto on the streets, then bathe myself in my victim's blood.
Edit: See? I can do the extremist thing to. And Felix: I can see your point there. While I don't agree with abortions, I think any abortion after 22 weeks is simply disgusting.
Atleast keep it vaguely proportionate.
There's a fine line between "psychotherapist" and "psycho the rapist"
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 16-09-2012 22:35
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Crommy wrote:
You're very much making it sound like someone who decides on an abortion just makes a frivolous decision to abort, just deciding they don't want to go through pregnancy one day, getting abortion and that's the end of it. I can only speak about the UK, but that's just not the way it works. You go and see your doctor or go to a family planning clinic. They then offer to talk to you about your circumstances, and whether abortion is the right choice for them. Two doctors then have to both agree that the decision to proceed with abortion only occurs due to reasons set out in the 1967(?) Abortion Act.
And as for saying people who support a woman's choice in abortion as "loves killing babies" or considering a foetus as "subhuman waste". Just...wow
Agreed. And the process for abortion is more or less the same here.
I've found some statistics about France and abortion, by the way.
There's about 725 000 new born here every year, and 200 000 abortions.
It means that every woman is about to face an abortion once in her life. Only 5 % have had two or more.
It also means that slightly more than one on five pregnancy ends up in an abortion.
On the moment when abortions are performed : 19 % before the fifth week (as soon as the girl is certain she's not "late" ) , 75 % before the eighth week. For most abortions, you have to undergo a general anaesthesia.
The persons who're the most subject to abortion are 40+ women (one pregnancy on two ends in an abortion there), and teenagers (under 18) where about 70 % of pregnancies ends up in abortions.
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So, what does this say ?
There are no or very very little serial aborters.
Not many people go through general anaesthesia without a good reason, is it ?
Of course that goes only for France, but I doubt it's very different in other developed countries.
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| cunego59 |
Posted on 16-09-2012 22:38
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baseballlover312 wrote:
jseadog1 wrote:
My view on abortion - ''THE CHOICE IS YOURS''
The choice should also be mine to kill everybody I want, and do full graphic, real life reanactments of Grand Theft Auto on the streets, then bathe myself in my victim's blood.
Edit: See? I can do the extremist thing to. And Felix: I can see your point there. While I don't agree with abortions, I think any abortion after 22 weeks is simply disgusting.
I see you got the concept. Your example of course leads to the very basic question of this complete discussion. From which point on is the little thingy inside the woman's body a human being. And from that point onwards, it has to be illegal to kill that little thingy, I think we can all agree on that. The problem is, though, that we can't seem to agree on when that point in time is. Both sides presented arguments, at least to some extent.
That is where, in my opinion, jseadog1's "The choice is yours" kicks in. Of course you shouldn't be forced to abort, but since the question is so controversial and hard to solve, I think it shouldn't be prohibited either.
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| SweatyViking |
Posted on 16-09-2012 22:57
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What do you americans think about healthcare??
I think the GOP's model is horrible. Nobody in Norway are talking about insurance, preexisting conditions, etc..
In the US, if you need treatment, and you borrow someone else's insurance card, you're sent to jail. If you lie about preexisting conditions you get sent to jail. Crazy. |
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| jseadog1 |
Posted on 16-09-2012 23:00
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 16-09-2012 23:10
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SweatyViking wrote:
What do you americans think about healthcare??
I think the GOP's model is horrible. Nobody in Norway are talking about insurance, preexisting conditions, etc..
In the US, if you need treatment, and you borrow someone else's insurance card, you're sent to jail. If you lie about preexisting conditions you get sent to jail. Crazy.
Well, you can't really steal something from somebody. I don't really understand how not being able to take someone elses insurance shouldn't be punishable. It's called theft. 
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| Crommy |
Posted on 16-09-2012 23:21
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SweatyViking wrote:
What do you americans think about healthcare??
I think the GOP's model is horrible. Nobody in Norway are talking about insurance, preexisting conditions, etc..
In the US, if you need treatment, and you borrow someone else's insurance card, you're sent to jail. If you lie about preexisting conditions you get sent to jail. Crazy.
What's even crazier is that of US personal bankruptcies, 62% are due to medical bills. And 78% of those with bankruptcies caused medical bills had medical insurance!
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 20-09-2012 16:53
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I had an argument with a friend of mine today over wether or not you could see the latest events taking place in the Middle East from a post-modern perspective in international relations.
I have to say, it's a bit of a difficult subject since it can be hard to go against such as view, but then again it does postulate something which I find rather impossible.
What is your opinion on the case?
There's a fine line between "psychotherapist" and "psycho the rapist"
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 20-09-2012 17:34
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I think your look at things is biased always because of your education, culture and other things. Whereas we see the liberation of the people as a good thing, other may not. From the minute you are born, you're being molted into a product of your post-modern environment, so your look is far from objective.
I hope it was about what you meant because I don't understand your phrase fully |
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 03-10-2012 12:08
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That's exactly what I ment. I do agree with you, I can't see a way for us to see the world objectivly. How you view things has to do with your point of view. A good example is the situation in Iraq at the moment; from our POW wee see ourself as "liberators" and them as terrorists, whilst it's theother way around for some of the people in Iraq.
The Crusades is also a good example, though it might be a bit dated now
There's a fine line between "psychotherapist" and "psycho the rapist"
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 03-10-2012 12:33
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cactus-jack wrote:
That's exactly what I ment. I do agree with you, I can't see a way for us to see the world objectivly. How you view things has to do with your point of view. A good example is the situation in Iraq at the moment; from our POW wee see ourself as "liberators" and them as terrorists, whilst it's theother way around for some of the people in Iraq.
The Crusades is also a good example, though it might be a bit dated now
Actually i also see Americans as the terrorists
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| Levi4life |
Posted on 03-10-2012 16:58
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I don't think I'm scary enough for such a lofty title.
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| CountArach |
Posted on 03-10-2012 17:04
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Ian Butler wrote:
I think your look at things is biased always because of your education, culture and other things. Whereas we see the liberation of the people as a good thing, other may not. From the minute you are born, you're being molted into a product of your post-modern environment, so your look is far from objective.
I hope it was about what you meant because I don't understand your phrase fully
Except that we are still in a modern environment as discourse-analysis is not the prevailing mode of discourse, but rather we value modernist concerns that define us by gender, age, wealth and a whole lot of other things.
(Most) Post-modern criticism looks at those things and places them within a linguistic context. It does not strive to be objective, but instead it seeks to explain those things which makes us subjective.
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| miggi133 |
Posted on 03-10-2012 17:28
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News from our fellow greeks... Well, apparently their economy is waaay down, yet misteriously, the government, despite claiming that they have to SAVE MONEY in order to meet the EU Budget demands, have found a nice little 30 million € to subsidise a third of a PRIVATE PROJECT which aims to bilt a Formula 1 Track in Greece.
2-3 Things that bother me about this:
A: Where did they find that money? Sure as hell wasnt lying aroud in the attic of Government Buildings.
B: How could it be that Ireland got a whole long and jolly list of things they cannot do in order to be bailed out by the EU (If we ask for a glas of water the EU will point at the irish sea and say, no can do, but this salt water is just as good...) and the Greeks can save up 30 Million €?
C: Why are the Greeks still in the EU? This is just simply the Tip of the Ice Berg! Dont get me wrong, I dont want the Eurozone to collapse and I was for a stay of Greece within the EU in order to not let that collapse either (You know the Chain reaction: Greece->Portugal->Spain->Ireland->Italy) but its about time that we get rd of them if we just pay for their afternoon activities...
D: I still cant beleieve, that Ireland got worse regulations to meet in order to be bailed out than any other country and we dont complain jack S***! The Spanish and Italians got a first Round Bye and as soon as they are being forced to spend a penny less per month they start crying and challenging everything the EU imposes on them until Merkel (or MAMA as the Italians call her) reverts everything by playing the "we are germans, we are hegemonic in the EU"-card so that the southern sink holes are happy again!
And the Irish thought, the british occupation was the worst that could happen to them... In my opinion, Michael Collins, Cathal Brugha, Arthur Griffith and Eamon DeValera would turn in their graves if they saw how Ireland gets screwed by the EU!
Afterall, Ireland not only has to pay back the bail out deal but also have to help to finance the BAILOUTS Greece is receiving... Seriously, Im sharing the finnish Opinion regarding EU Politics: Greece has to go!!!
By the way, the accusations were raised towards the Governments. I did direct my accusations about Italians and Spaniars against single individuals, as a countrys entire people cannot be blamed for the actions their respective Government are under taking!
Spoiler An added extra: Typos can be kept to yourself!
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| Levi4life |
Posted on 03-10-2012 17:30
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Looks like we got some English nerds here. Takes me back to my Romantic-modern day English lit class. I wrote a deconstruction analysis of Great Expectations. I'm still not entirely sure what deconstruction is. Easily the best part of that class was listening to my friend, the shyest girl in the class, explain that gender critics noticed just how much hands were mentioned and how this indicated how much masturbation was on the mind of Dickens. She didn't skip a beat.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 03-10-2012 17:35
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A) Most likely someone found a nice way to make money there. Call it corruption.
B) See above.
C) They're staying because that's for everybo.... I mean Germany's best interest.
D) Maybe you should complain more. We're gonna get raped anyway, but at least you'll release some tension. It's good for stress.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 03-10-2012 18:53
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F1 track ? None or almost none of the existing ones manages to be financially healthy. The Ecclestone fees are higher than all the income they could get from tickets, advertisement, etc. It often ends up in public money being paid, or in circuits being removed from the championship calendar.
Greece ? Agree with kumazan's A and B.
They're staying because it could be the beginning of the end of the Eurozone if they left or were kicked out. Plus it's probably the best way for them to sort out their problems and become financially healthy on the long term.
Ireland ? You managed to not have to quit tax dumping, which got you shit loads of money from banks, international firms, etc. when economical growth was still there. That's quite a gift, or say, it could have been worst. |
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