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2012 DB: Stat Discussions
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 06-02-2012 20:05
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I don't remember exactly when PCM crashes, but there's a side effect that bad form is "generated" for each day you have an injury. So when he's back in August, his form may be -20 or something like that.
I'll try something else. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 06-02-2012 20:11
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It'll be WAY below -20. Riccò used to get negative numbers with a suspension that ended in late March
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| PCM rulezz |
Posted on 06-02-2012 20:58
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Andy Fenn (OPQS) should have more sprint point (he already won 2 sprint). 70/71 is more realistic I think
Edited by PCM rulezz on 06-02-2012 20:58
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| canojuancho |
Posted on 06-02-2012 22:21
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to those all that want update Fenn in Sprints, why don't wait a little? yes, he won two races at sprint but, look at his rivals and the race. I think this guy is so good and will be a great rider, but, be patient, do not ask to raise attributes, to all those who win 1 or 2 races.
Edited by canojuancho on 06-02-2012 22:24
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| fickman |
Posted on 08-02-2012 13:52
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Miguel Angel Rubiano - Androni Giocattoli + 1 or +2 in Mon and Rec. He won KOM in Tour de San Luis and achive good results last year winning the general in Tour de Hokkaido, and podium in Tour de Kumano, Trofeo Melinda, Giro di Toscana and Trofeo Matteotti and won a coupel of mountain stages. |
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| ruben |
Posted on 08-02-2012 15:33
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Oh and another thing. I miss hilly talent Ruben Lampe from the DB. He used to become so good in previous PCM Daily projects of PCM 2009 and so on  |
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| Crommy |
Posted on 08-02-2012 15:44
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ruben wrote:
Oh and another thing. I miss hilly talent Ruben Lampe from the DB. He used to become so good in previous PCM Daily projects of PCM 2009 and so on
Maybe he's returned to mountain biking?
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| Goldberger |
Posted on 09-02-2012 02:21
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How is Klöden supposed to be able to win Pais Basque with a 76 in hill rating? |
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| Goldberger |
Posted on 09-02-2012 02:33
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Also seems a bit ridicoulous that you have klödens sprint stats at 60 while you have andy schlecks at 64, even if you gave klödi higher acc. I think we all now what a sprinting genius klödi is |
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| sam1196 |
Posted on 09-02-2012 14:53
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Goldberger wrote:
How is Klöden supposed to be able to win Pais Basque with a 76 in hill rating?
lets wait if he does that also this year. And beware that form also plays a big role.
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 09-02-2012 15:01
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sam1196 wrote:
Goldberger wrote:
How is Klöden supposed to be able to win Pais Basque with a 76 in hill rating?
lets wait if he does that also this year. And beware that form also plays a big role.
I think it's safe to say a small boost wouldn't hurt him. Remember that he also won in Vernoux-en-Vivaraix and finished 4th in Biot in last year's Paris-Nice. Both hilly stages with uphill finish.
Also 2nd and 3rd on two stages in Pais Vasco, plus perhaps most importantly, 6th on Mont des Alouettes and 10th (9th without Contador) on Mûr de Bretagne (in the front group with Evans, where Andy couldn't follow) during the Tour.
I'm not saying he's Gilbert class, but I certainly think 76 is a bit low for him.
Edited by Pellizotti2 on 09-02-2012 15:06
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| roturn |
Posted on 09-02-2012 15:11
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Agree with Pellizotti actually. 77 would be better.
Also Tony Martin. If I remember right he is 76mo and 73hi. I would do something like 75/75 or so as he showed some nice riding on hilly stages but wasn`t that good on the longer climbs. |
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| ruben |
Posted on 09-02-2012 17:39
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Ah yes. I wanted to make a comment on T.Martin.
I would even go as far as reversing his hill/mountain stats. To me it seems T.Martin suffers on longer slopes but goes pretty steadily at shorter ones.
I'd say 76/77 hill and 72/73 mountain. 73 is really the limit I'd give to Tony after last 2 years |
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| Goldberger |
Posted on 09-02-2012 18:13
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sam1196 wrote:
Goldberger wrote:
How is Klöden supposed to be able to win Pais Basque with a 76 in hill rating?
lets wait if he does that also this year. And beware that form also plays a big role.
What? Wait and see if he does it this year? I thought the stats would show the 2011 skill and form of the riders? Pelizotti2 comments are exactly right, klöden showed many times last year that he is good on these steep climbs also.
That makes the 76 hill stat look pretty ridicioulous because he wont be anywhere near the win in basque and nice with that stat, no matter if he got a 100 in form. |
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| ember |
Posted on 09-02-2012 18:20
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I think Offredo deserves a way better STA/END stat than his current stat (70), he showed through 2011 that he becomes better and better the longer a race is. He was great in the last 50 kilometers of MSR as an example. Dan Martin is also underestimated, in my opinion. After his stage victories in the Vuelta and Tour de Pologne, I think he deserves more than 76/76 (MO/HILL).
For the less known norwegian riders, it looks a bit random, to say the least, I will try to make a couple unbiased comments on the most important/obvious stats
First, "Nybö" retired after 2009, and does definitely not deserve the stats he has been given, delete him from the DB is probably the best option, if not, he needs a serious decrease. The same goes for Haavardsholm, he was a great talent, but he retired after 2010, he should also be deleted, or have a serious decrease in his stats.
Then there's Sven Erik Bystrøm, he's probably the biggest talent in norwegian cycling right now, and he's often compared to EBH, though, he's a couple of years behind in development. But he still deserves way better stats than he has been given in the DB. He's a talented sprinter, but also a "strong" rider, who's capable of much as long as the course isn't too hilly. I also think he deserves a better potential, 5 at the very least, 6/7 feels most realistic. In 2011, he won the norwegian national cup, ahead of all riders on the different norwegian continental teams.
Fredrik Galta is also a great talent. Unlike Bystrøm, he's a terrible sprinter, but he's very talented on hills/mountains. Obviously, his potential is also wrong, he should have 5/6 in potential, and probably something between 65 and 68 in MO/HILL, where his MOstat is one level higher than his HILL stat.
On a third note, Markaskard is also a decent talent for the sprints, he's pretty much at the same level as Lohne (67/67), but his potential should be limited, as I doubt he will become anything big. But anyway, he deserves better SP/ACC than what he's given now.
I hope you can use some of the "corections," Bystrøm and Galta are the most important, as they're 2 of the biggest talents in norwegian cycling. |
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| tastasol |
Posted on 09-02-2012 18:25
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I think you are wrong about Lohne and Markaskard. In my opinion Markaskard deserves waaaaay better than Lohne, who hasn't done a thing in two years. He had one top 10 last season, and Markaskard outsprinted him aswell. Markaskard is not just a sprinter, he is also quite strong in the hills(compared to Lohne and most others Norwegian riders). I would rate his sprint to be just as good as Hegreberg had, with a even better acceleration.
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Edited by tastasol on 09-02-2012 18:36
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| andy4ever |
Posted on 10-02-2012 15:50
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You might want to look at Jonas Aaen Jørgensen's -101 in recuperation |
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| siwi |
Posted on 10-02-2012 16:36
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I dont even know who Sven Erik Bystrøm is, but 6/7 in potential seems a little to much for a rider who does not really have any big results unless 6th at the norway championships counts as a big result.
I would say 4 or 5 in potential. |
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| Didir |
Posted on 10-02-2012 22:21
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Arnaud Demare seems quite underrated, in my opinion. Of course, he won today's stage at Tour of Qatar, but even if he hadn't won it, he is the U23 World Champion, and he won many many sprints in U23 last year.
He is 68 flat, 72 sprint, 74 acc ; to me, he should have more like 74 flat, 75 sprint, 76 acc. |
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 11-02-2012 13:00
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CrueTrue, Valverde will change the stats???
Think again please, he should have at least an 81. Although I think it is right by 82 |
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