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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 09-03-2013 16:23
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ThatLlama wrote:
Less money goes into the riders in Sky and more into the development of them.
Joe D turned down big money from BMC to go to Sky for less money.
Source for both? Not what I can remember, but I surely could be wrong.
TheManxMissile wrote:
And for certain riders. Froome being prime example, but also Wiggins to an extent. Most riders do go up a level when they join.
Doesn't mean doping, could just mean developemnt
Well, it could just mean development. But this development would have arrived massively at once at a time of their lives where such progression is unusual allied to a doping doctor joining the team, the team (and some riders) changing the ways they react to doping questions in interviews, and several other points that have been raised over these 70 pages of this thread.
It could just mean development, but then these would be way too much coincidences for me to believe they are only coincidences given we're talking about a sport which has proved us wrong so many times on this in the past 
Based on the last posts of this thread, there seems to be a problem with this thread, that every 10 pages or so people completely forget what has already been said and start from zero again.
e.g. Rogers:
issoisso wrote:
I find this hilarious. I honestly do.
From the moment that Rogers publicly gloats about his wattages beating his own ones from when he was provedly involved in a expensive team wide doping program of EPO and blood bags, you just know that being caught doesn't even enter their minds.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 09-03-2013 16:32
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I love that bit about Rogers 
I think this resets so often is because of no give in either side.
One side is those that believe sky are doping. They have no evidence, but lots of circumstance
Other side is those that believe sky don not dope. They have the fall back of no positive test.
Side A (the believe in doping) will never back down
Side B will only back down with a positive test or a confession.
Until then it will just go back and forth over and over the same material and arguments.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 09-03-2013 16:35
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TheManxMissile wrote:
I love that bit about Rogers
I think this resets so often is because of no give in either side.
One side is those that believe sky are doping. They have no evidence, but lots of circumstance
Other side is those that believe sky don not dope. They have the fall back of no positive test.
Side A (the believe in doping) will never back down
Side B will only back down with a positive test or a confession.
Until then it will just go back and forth over and over the same material and arguments.
Armstrong never failed a test and he doped. Your arguements are invalid, therefore I win. 
Edited by baseballlover312 on 09-03-2013 16:35
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 09-03-2013 16:36
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baseballlover312 wrote:
Armstrong never failed a test and he doped. Your arguements are invalid, therefore I win.
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| ThatLlama |
Posted on 09-03-2013 16:44
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lluuiiggii wrote:
ThatLlama wrote:
Less money goes into the riders in Sky and more into the development of them.
Joe D turned down big money from BMC to go to Sky for less money.
Source for both? Not what I can remember, but I surely could be wrong.
I bought Cycle Sport magazine - interview with Joe Dombrowski |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 10-03-2013 00:34
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I thought those few tweets of tonight should be quoted here (and translated below each of them) :
With an effort 3'30" longer, Froome has climbed at the same level of power that Porte yesterday. Sky are riding very strongly !!!
The levels of performances observed on PN and TA are very high. It's hardly possible to go above that !!
With what they're showing in the mountains, Sky might well crush the mountainous stages races this year.
Their collective power is impressive. The same model perfectly deployed without any interference. And Wiggo is still not there !!
Given their collective power in mountains, it's almost impossible to attack them. They won't answer attacks before the last kilometres...
Sky's model is indeed one for poor excitement, but when the men to use it are available, it's the most efficient one...
There's no better model for performance in mountains to lead a captain to victory. It makes sense they're using it...
I understand the steady and linear overwhelming pace frightens the fans, but tactically, cycling is moving toward that direction...
The level of intensity deployed by Sky in the climbs cancels all attacks, as 1 attack = going to one's red zone = lactic acid = ...
= no possibility to sustain the effort = lesser level of intensity = back to where one has started from = important reduction of available energy = lesser performances
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 10-03-2013 00:44
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Ignoring the repeated tweet...
They are all shockingly obvious statements that say pretty much nothing of importance...
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 10-03-2013 00:51
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It's not important that they're at the very limits of what's credible ? That's not coming from a random TV spectator...
Also that already tells you why you most likely won't see Contador, J-Rod and the likes of them attacking the Sky train (or miserably fail if they do) next Summer. Nothing important either.
Also, getting an insider to confirm that cycling tactic is going to become what Sky does (boring but efficient) is not relevant either in a cycling discussion.
Oh well, praised be the entertaining and wonderful Sky. Too bad one's too be British and blind to enjoy it. That's not so many people, but still too many...
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 10-03-2013 01:09
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Ok maybe a bad choice of words
Tweet 1) Ok nice info. But not the surprising given the fact i'm not expecting Froome to be firing on all doped cylinders.
Tweet 2) Hardly possible to go above that... I read that as riding at the top edge of their ability. I don't see that as, they must be right on the edge of human possibility. Like riding dot80 for the whole climb, rather than 70 with an attack or two.
3) Hasn't been expected since last Tour for that to happen, especially when there signings focused heavily on that tactic.
4) Thats just a comment, not much to say or read into it
5) Again just a comment, not much to say. Its a tactic and it works. Very similar in basic idea to what Puriot and Valverde did for much of the Vuelta. Wait till the last km then power!
6) Yep, just correct. Not exciting but efficient. In a results driven sport there is no other way to go
7) See point 6
8) Well i've been thinking the sport will move this way since last tour. I thought it might have happened more as a response to US Postal in the early 2000's. It happens in sprints, so why not mountains?
9+10) Just saying why its an effective tactic, which i though was obvious
Nice to know, also, that cause i'm british i must be ignorant and a Sky fan-boy! Of course i am totaly in love with Sir Wiggo and his side burns. I have only been into cycling since 2011 and have no understanding of the sports history. Lance Armstrong is the king and doping doesn't happen.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 10-03-2013 06:39
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I have a nice picture of Sky fanboy. 
What you posted Aquarius, is really scary, we have either a worst revolution in cycling going on, moving it even more from "normal people" to robots, or most sophisticated program since times of famous mail men.
Edited by Avin Wargunnson on 10-03-2013 08:11
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| Rzrassman |
Posted on 10-03-2013 10:58
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There is a lot of hatred for Sky among ppl n for good reason too(they are killing the unpredictable aggressive explosive attacking game). But they are playing the game they way that best suits them,not great entertainment but effective.I would say they are similiar to BARCELONA Football team in a way,BARCA like to control possession of the ball(u cant score if u dont have the ball),similiarly SKY like to control the pace(optimum utilization of team-mates).A lot of BARCA fans might agrue to say they play(use to play) entertaining free flowing football,but in SKY's case its boring to death.So i guess we will have to wait for some special one to come up with a way to beat them.Until then lets prepare ourself to seeing more boring SKY wins in the future. |
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| Wilier |
Posted on 10-03-2013 11:09
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UCI should ban any electronical equipment for riders like power meters, heart rate meters etc, so cyclist will go back riding on their instincts.
Otherwise this sport is doomed. Or Sky's doping program should be uncovered.
Edited by Wilier on 10-03-2013 11:11
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 10-03-2013 11:35
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Removing radios in ALL races might help. Do you see Sky turn up to those "lesser" races in the "free" world (I use "free" to describe Italian/Spanish/French smaller more aggressive racing style races) and dominate?
And yesterdays racing at Tirreno was hardly dominating was it? A mean, a 6 - 15 second gap was hardly a massive margin for winning.
One of the only ways I see Sky being different to other current teams is that they can afford to hire riders whom would lead other teams. Instead of Contador with Kreuziger for company, or Nibali with Agnoli, Sky have two-three riders for their captain(s).
Personally, I'm more amazed at how Nibali/Contador could attack if the pace was that high. Anyone consider that approach?
And before you say it, no I'm not a Sky fan boy. In fact I much prefer the little races where the racing is aggressive and unpredictable. However, it does bug me that the only team that gets analysed is the team that wins. Just like the only rider who gets (drugs) tested (for definite) is the one who wins. |
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| Rzrassman |
Posted on 10-03-2013 12:51
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rjc_43 wrote:
Removing radios in ALL races might help. Do you see Sky turn up to those "lesser" races in the "free" world (I use "free" to describe Italian/Spanish/French smaller more aggressive racing style races) and dominate?
And yesterdays racing at Tirreno was hardly dominating was it? A mean, a 6 - 15 second gap was hardly a massive margin for winning.
One of the only ways I see Sky being different to other current teams is that they can afford to hire riders whom would lead other teams. Instead of Contador with Kreuziger for company, or Nibali with Agnoli, Sky have two-three riders for their captain(s).
Personally, I'm more amazed at how Nibali/Contador could attack if the pace was that high. Anyone consider that approach?
And before you say it, no I'm not a Sky fan boy. In fact I much prefer the little races where the racing is aggressive and unpredictable. However, it does bug me that the only team that gets analysed is the team that wins. Just like the only rider who gets (drugs) tested (for definite) is the one who wins.
Interesting you bring up Nibali attack cause he was sitting alongside Froome up until the last 3 km and BERTI was launching attacks even before that.He attacked hoping BERTI would share the workload and they would beat the SKY TRAIN.Had he marked Froome all the way I m sure he would have won in the final sprint to the line.I guess he was unsure whether he can match Froome's TT Ability so he tried to get a gap.Will be interesting to see what he does today???
I guess you r right when u say that the sky squad is strong but I would question the other teams lack of tactical know-how.By now all team know what sky will try to control the pace,so you have got to try n counter that.They use their team so u gotta use ur's,do something unexpected send a couple of guys in breaks(do a Schleck 2011 tour attack).Gotta makr the SKY TRAIN sweat. |
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| CLURPR |
Posted on 10-03-2013 13:19
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Everybody over the past 70 pages has got it wrong!
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 10-03-2013 13:25
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CLURPR wrote:
Everybody over the past 70 pages has got it wrong!
Massive "sandwiches"... yeah sandwiches
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| fosforgasXIII |
Posted on 10-03-2013 13:38
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CLURPR wrote:
Everybody over the past 70 pages has got it wrong!
I wonder if Cataldo eats 1/3 of that sandwish, Henao another 1/3, Uran a little less than 1/3 and Froome the last little part. |
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| ThatLlama |
Posted on 10-03-2013 14:17
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David Walsh has just arrived in Tenerife - will spend 5 days in the SKY training camp with the classics squad and B wiggins. |
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| fcancellara |
Posted on 10-03-2013 18:19
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Okay, I just found the best piece of evidence so far:
dienblad wrote:
Andy Schleck caught in the act!
Official press release by ASO and Montélimar-police:
After the 18th stage of the Tour de France, Luxembourg Andy Schleck has been taken to the police station for interrogation. Reason for it, is that he has been caught in the act by a rooms maid while getting a blood transfusion. The rooms maid immediately warned the police, and they arrived in time before Schleck could have flushed the blood through the toilet.
As a result, Schleck, the number 4 of the GC and the winner of the MTT stage 17, has been taken out of the Tour. He hasn't given a reaction so far.
The bloodbag found in Schleck's hotelroom, with his initials still viewable:
dienblad wrote:
Official Team Sky press release
Hereby Team Sky declares that all the rumours are true. Andy Schleck has been caught while getting a blood transfusion.
Schleck has also explaned the situation to team principal David Brailsford: " Yes, I admit that I am guilty of using blood transfusions in this Tour. I take full responsibilty for it, as I handled on my own, without informing the team. I decided to use doping after I got sick in the week before the Tour started. The time before, when I was racing for Team Sky, but also the 3 years when I raced for Monster Energy, I never used doping. The pressure from the press to win the Tour for the 2nd year in a row was too much, and I made the stupid mistake to start using doping. I want to apologize to the team, my family, the fans, the ASO and the entire cycling world. I will undergo all consequences, and hereby declare that I'll quit as a professional cyclist. I'm a cheater, and this beautiful sport deserves to be clean. I'm sorry."
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| FreitasPCM |
Posted on 10-03-2013 19:58
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CLURPR wrote:
Everybody over the past 70 pages has got it wrong!
I must have those sandwiches! |
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