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| bob7 |
Posted on 24-05-2015 21:15
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Does Landa deserve for 77 MO ? Or just other cyclists in Giro are weak ? |
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 24-05-2015 21:21
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Landa is stronger than Aru and seemingly not that far off Contador, so in this case it doesn't matter if rest of the field is not GT worthy material.
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| gotlandrules |
Posted on 24-05-2015 21:29
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Alakagom wrote:
Landa is stronger than Aru and seemingly not that far off Contador, so in this case it doesn't matter if rest of the field is not GT worthy material.
Wouldn't say he's stronger then Aru, they have been very even on the mountain stages with Aru edging him out, today was the first day he really looked stronger. He got a gap at one early stage but that was because the other teams let him go and Aru just marked Contador, atleast that's how it looked to me. I would have Landa 1 or 2 points below Aru in MO in the db, Aru has shown more before and now they are riding very even, last week might change that though. |
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 24-05-2015 21:56
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gotlandrules wrote:
Alakagom wrote:
Landa is stronger than Aru and seemingly not that far off Contador, so in this case it doesn't matter if rest of the field is not GT worthy material.
Wouldn't say he's stronger then Aru, they have been very even on the mountain stages with Aru edging him out, today was the first day he really looked stronger. He got a gap at one early stage but that was because the other teams let him go and Aru just marked Contador, atleast that's how it looked to me. I would have Landa 1 or 2 points below Aru in MO in the db, Aru has shown more before and now they are riding very even, last week might change that though.
Well if Landa wasn't slaving for Aru for two weeks already it would look bit different. And of course Aru is still the leader and should be higher rated, but for now Landa looks like he could drop him, and well he was the only one that easily countered Contador's attacks today as well. It's eerily similar to Froome-Wiggo at the 2012 Tour 
Edited by Alakagom on 24-05-2015 21:57
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| bob7 |
Posted on 25-05-2015 11:09
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Well if Landa wasn't slaving for Aru for two weeks already it would look bit different. And of course Aru is still the leader and should be higher rated, but for now Landa looks like he could drop him, and well he was the only one that easily countered Contador's attacks today as well. It's eerily similar to Froome-Wiggo at the 2012 Tour
Excellent point, that's exactly what I thought. So if Aru has 80/79, Landa need to be 78/77 in MO. And we need to see how Landa will look in last week, then we can select his other stats, like REC or RES. |
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 25-05-2015 16:50
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just seen that Kochetkov is very low in Mountains (60), and I´m pretty sure I´ve seen him attacking on a climb at a WT Race...so he might need an update?
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 25-05-2015 21:18
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bob7 wrote:
Does Landa deserve for 77 MO ? Or just other cyclists in Giro are weak ?
The Giro normally has the weakest field of the GT's so that's why there is a big difference in terms of the quality of the riders in it. I mean Amador in 3rd spot that kind of says it all.
Before the Giro started in my DB I had the following:
Contador 83
Aru 80
Porte 79
Uran 79
Now I would put them like this (depending on what happens this week) Aru can't be too far below Contador, as he's already a lot lower in TT. Porte was looking at least an 80 until he lost those 2 mins and then more time on the crash and by then he had totally lost motivation. Uran I've never seen better than 79. Landa though is the big problem, a worker for his leader who on yesterday's stage looked stronger than his leader, he rode like an 82 but how he be put higher than his team leader?
Contador 83
Aru 81
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| sgdanny |
Posted on 25-05-2015 22:06
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I would give Landa 80 MO, cause it would fit with comparing to Amador, which I think should be 1 or 2 lower, with an improved TT.
Contador 83
Aru 81
Porte 80
Landa 80
Urán 79
Amador 79
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| bob7 |
Posted on 25-05-2015 22:14
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Rodriguez and Pinot also have 80 in MO, so wouldn't Landa be overrated ? And I don't think Amador is so good. Other cyclists are weak. Max 77 looks fine for him.
Edited by bob7 on 25-05-2015 22:16
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 25-05-2015 22:16
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Landa 80?? Amador 79??
So they do a good Giro and now are similar good climbers like Purito, Valverde,...???
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 25-05-2015 22:18
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I think you guys are somewhat forgetting that the field of this Giro is currently shit.
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| bob7 |
Posted on 25-05-2015 22:25
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Exactly baseballlover312. So we cannot overrated cyclists.
83 Contador
80 Aru
77 (?) Landa - he is damn hard to judge. He is a domestic, can't have 80 in MO
76-77 Amador |
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| Omloop |
Posted on 25-05-2015 22:40
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sgdanny wrote:
I would give Landa 80 MO, cause it would fit with comparing to Amador, which I think should be 1 or 2 lower, with an improved TT.
Contador 83
Aru 81
Porte 80
Landa 80
Urán 79
Amador 79
No way Amador is 79 
Here is my personal stats on the guys above.
Contador 82
Aru 80
Landa 78/79
Uran 78
Amador 76/77 |
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| gotlandrules |
Posted on 25-05-2015 22:43
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Omloop wrote:
sgdanny wrote:
I would give Landa 80 MO, cause it would fit with comparing to Amador, which I think should be 1 or 2 lower, with an improved TT.
Contador 83
Aru 81
Porte 80
Landa 80
Urán 79
Amador 79
No way Amador is 79
Here is my personal stats on the guys above.
Contador 82
Aru 80
Landa 78/79
Uran 78
Amador 76/77
Looks fine, would have Landa on 78 though unless he keeps climbing like last stage the final week, then maybe 79. |
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| bob7 |
Posted on 25-05-2015 22:45
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gotlandrules wrote:
Omloop wrote:
sgdanny wrote:
I would give Landa 80 MO, cause it would fit with comparing to Amador, which I think should be 1 or 2 lower, with an improved TT.
Contador 83
Aru 81
Porte 80
Landa 80
Urán 79
Amador 79
No way Amador is 79
Here is my personal stats on the guys above.
Contador 82
Aru 80
Landa 78/79
Uran 78
Amador 76/77
Looks fine, would have Landa on 78 though unless he keeps climbing like last stage the final week, then maybe 79.
I can agree, look fine for me but like you said, we have to wait until weekend. |
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 25-05-2015 22:52
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In my opinion, just now:
Contador 83
Aru 80
Landa 78
Uran 78
Amador 76
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| Maddox |
Posted on 26-05-2015 10:33
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The thing, however, is that even though the field is weak, Landa is riding just as good as Contador - then it doesn't matter how weak the rest of the field is. I think that Landa could ride away from Contador on the high mountains if he was allowed - at least from Aru. That is why I think, Landa should be 80-81 in mountains. |
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| bob7 |
Posted on 26-05-2015 11:22
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Maddox wrote:
The thing, however, is that even though the field is weak, Landa is riding just as good as Contador - then it doesn't matter how weak the rest of the field is. I think that Landa could ride away from Contador on the high mountains if he was allowed - at least from Aru. That is why I think, Landa should be 80-81 in mountains.
Disagree. Landa isn't as good as Contador. Look at TT in saturday. Contador was 3rd, Landa was 52th, losing 4 minutes to Contador.
Conclusion ?
Landa lost much less health than Contador, so he could ride excellent stage in sunday. |
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 26-05-2015 11:28
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bob7 wrote:
Maddox wrote:
The thing, however, is that even though the field is weak, Landa is riding just as good as Contador - then it doesn't matter how weak the rest of the field is. I think that Landa could ride away from Contador on the high mountains if he was allowed - at least from Aru. That is why I think, Landa should be 80-81 in mountains.
Disagree. Landa isn't as good as Contador. Look at TT in saturday. Contador was 3rd, Landa was 52th, losing 4 minutes to Contador.
Conclusion ?
Landa lost much less health than Contador, so he could ride excellent stage in sunday.
https://www.cqrank...ceid=22297
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Conclusion - He always sucked balls in TTs
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| sgdanny |
Posted on 26-05-2015 11:32
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Then your both wrong, cause Landa has never been good at Time Trials and probably won't. I would say that Landa could get 79, which would set him on level with Urán.
I admit my suggestion was premature and I think people are to conservative giving many riders high ratings. I could agree with that Aru is 2 MO better than Landa, but mountains is still Landa 's strongest and only specialised terrain. So giving him an high Mountain Stat shouldn't be the worst idea.
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