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Giro d'Italia 2016 - Week 3 (24th - 29th May)
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 29-05-2016 09:55
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Dusen wrote:
Nibali's GT luck 
Vuelta 2010 - Igor Anton is riding very well and is in the leaders jersey, but crashes out. Nibali picks up the jersey after him and wins the Vuelta
Giro 2013 - Wiggins has come to the Giro with a strong team, with a very strong super domestique in Uran Uran, but Wiggins hits the ground so many times during the early stages of the Giro due to some massive rain, and abandons.
TDF 2014 - Both Froome and Contador crashes out of the TDF before they even reach the mountains, and Nibali brings home the victory with ease.
Giro 2015 - Being 4,49m behind Kruijswijk before the last two big mountain stages Nibali seems to have lost the Giro. BUT THEN, Kruijswijk crashes and then have to change his bike, which results in him missing the Valverde/Majka group and leaves him all alone to ride. Nibali then only have to overcome Chavez who is known to ride a bad third week, and just like that, Nibali won his fourth GT 
Wiggins would never have competed for the win in that Giro. Nibali absolutely destroyed the field in that race; the fact that he managed to pull out a winning margin of 4'43'' to second-placed Urán despite all the mountain stages being essentially one-climb affairs shows just how strong he was. Very little luck involved in that one, at least.
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| Shonak |
Posted on 29-05-2016 12:05
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Squire, I don't disagree with you either although there's no chance he would have beat Kruijs if it wasn't for the crash. But since the palmares won't show how he won - and that's all that matters in the end, I think it's necessarcy to reflect on the circumstances and to remember how it happened. For the love of the race basically.
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| Forever the Best |
Posted on 29-05-2016 12:12
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Shonak wrote:
Squire, I don't disagree with you either although there's no chance he would have beat Kruijs if it wasn't for the crash. But since the palmares won't show how he won - and that's all that matters in the end, I think it's necessarcy to reflect on the circumstances and to remember how it happened. For the love of the race basically. Dunno.If he had gained time on(probably between 1 minute-1:30 minute)Kruis on Risoul,(which he would have because Kruis would have started the climb on Valv group and Nibbles was very strong that day also Kruis was giving a meter or two before his crash so I don't think he could have followed him in the descent also Kruis was at his limit at Agnel)Nibali would have gone insane on Vars or Bonette.And combined with Kruis's very weak team he could have succeeded through tactics and being a little bit stronger.
But then again,this doesn't matter.Nibali attacked,put Kruiswijk into pressure,and Kruis couldn't handle it on a key moment of race which made Nibali win.Nibali made his own luck.Kruiswijk's crash is his own mistake.
Edited by Forever the Best on 29-05-2016 12:17
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| Shonak |
Posted on 29-05-2016 12:15
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Really good last week, starting off from Corvara. IMO Giro '15 was better because that was apeshit crazy for 3 weeks and never took its feed off the pedal but the high mountain stages were brilliant. Nibali, Kruijs, Chavito and Valv did an extraordinary job. Trolling Majka was fun, good job forum; watching Zakarini was laughter too, but also very impressive and eventually quite sad. Oh, I don't know what will happen to Uran Uran but boy I sure hope for entertainment's sake of the forum that he stays with Cannonfail.
Fav rider of the Giro probably Ulissi because he is so typical italian Giroesque he could be the stereotype of Giro stage hunter. I also liked Denifl and Preidler very much. Scarponi was pretty great, too. Oh, and Chavito.. very, very entertaining guy, on and off the bike.
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| Shonak |
Posted on 29-05-2016 12:19
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The Schleck Fan wrote:
Shonak wrote:
Squire, I don't disagree with you either although there's no chance he would have beat Kruijs if it wasn't for the crash. But since the palmares won't show how he won - and that's all that matters in the end, I think it's necessarcy to reflect on the circumstances and to remember how it happened. For the love of the race basically. Dunno.If he had gained time on(probably between 1 minute-1:30 minute)Kruis on Risoul,(which he would have because Kruis would have started the climb on Valv group and Nibbles was very strong that day also Kruis was giving a meter or two before his crash so I don't think he could have followed him in the descent)Nibali would have gone insane on Vars or Bonette.And combined with Kruis's very weak team he could have succeeded through tactics and being a little bit stronger.
Meh, I don't buy it. Kruijs was the best climber throughout the race, period.
If he had been with Nibali on bottom of Risoul, he would not have lost more than a minute, tops. If he had lost even anything because he was every single time better than Nibali, so odds are the lead would have been the same or arrived with Chaviot.
He also had a lead of 4:43 before Risoul, that's a whole lot, even for crazy long range attacks.
EDIT And before anybody replies: Yes I know that the best rider is not automatically the best climber.
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| Forever the Best |
Posted on 29-05-2016 12:23
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Shonak wrote:
The Schleck Fan wrote:
Shonak wrote:
Squire, I don't disagree with you either although there's no chance he would have beat Kruijs if it wasn't for the crash. But since the palmares won't show how he won - and that's all that matters in the end, I think it's necessarcy to reflect on the circumstances and to remember how it happened. For the love of the race basically. Dunno.If he had gained time on(probably between 1 minute-1:30 minute)Kruis on Risoul,(which he would have because Kruis would have started the climb on Valv group and Nibbles was very strong that day also Kruis was giving a meter or two before his crash so I don't think he could have followed him in the descent)Nibali would have gone insane on Vars or Bonette.And combined with Kruis's very weak team he could have succeeded through tactics and being a little bit stronger.
Arn't you just making stuff up? Kruijs was the best climber throughout the race, period.
If he had been with Nibali on bottom of Risoul, he would not have lost more than a minute, tops. If he had lost even anything because he was every single time better than Nibali, so odds are the lead would have been the same or arrived with Chaviot. He also had a lead of 4:43 before Risoul, no way Nibali would have made that up on the last stage, no matter how crazy far-out he attacked.
1)Kruis was on the limit on Agnel.
2)Kruis could have started the climb on Valv group on Risoul stage becuase of the descent.Which means starting the climb already a minute behind.Lets say he loses 30 seconds on the climb as well which makes a 1:30 loss on total.
3)Kruis doesn't have a team.Nibali could have gained minutes Pajares 2005 or Fuente De 2012 style on stage 20 even though Kruis was very strong. |
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| Shonak |
Posted on 29-05-2016 12:30
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Those are just Ifs. If he had pulled off a Fuente De.. that's not so easy as you make it out to be. What if he had blown himself up trying a Fuente De?
Also, if it wasn't for the crash, Kruisj would have been with Nibali or slighty behind him. He would have not been with Valv group who were quite way down, so again, I don't buy it but I don't have to. Nibali won fair and square.
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| Forever the Best |
Posted on 29-05-2016 12:35
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Shonak wrote:
Those are just Ifs. If he had pulled off a Fuente De.. that's not so easy as you make it out to be. What if he had blown himself up trying a Fuente De?
Also, if it wasn't for the crash, Kruisj would have been with Nibali or slighty behind him. He would have not been with Valv group who were quite way down, so again, I don't buy it but I don't have to. Nibali won fair and square. If Kruis would have been dropped on the descent of Agnel(which he would have)he would have either waited for Valv group or blow himself up in flat before Risoul.
Yes,Nibali could have blown on stage 20,but the chances of Kruis blowing up is even higher since he would have chased mostly alone probably while Nibs uses his team.
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| Strydz |
Posted on 29-05-2016 12:50
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Should be a very tired peloton coming into todays final stage so we could see a similar finish to last year or a Kluge style late attack taking the stage, I'm sure Pippo will be feeling frisky
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| Shonak |
Posted on 29-05-2016 13:00
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The Schleck Fan wrote:
Shonak wrote:
Those are just Ifs. If he had pulled off a Fuente De.. that's not so easy as you make it out to be. What if he had blown himself up trying a Fuente De?
Also, if it wasn't for the crash, Kruisj would have been with Nibali or slighty behind him. He would have not been with Valv group who were quite way down, so again, I don't buy it but I don't have to. Nibali won fair and square. If Kruis would have been dropped on the descent of Agnel(which he would have)he would have either waited for Valv group or blow himself up in flat before Risoul.
Yes,Nibali could have blown on stage 20,but the chances of Kruis blowing up is even higher since he would have chased mostly alone probably while Nibs uses his team.
And yes Nibali won fair and square.
Well that is rather bothersome.. Sure he could have gotten it some way, in some scenario. However, the chances of Steve Kruijs simply cruising it to Milano, the man who is branded as a demi-god in the third week of a GT (we've seen that previously) and who was the best climber of the race up to this point, are way higher than some Astana crazy tactic ever to succeed. But what do I care, history is written.
I hope that the final stage gets won by a botd too. If not, I'd like to see Modolo on top, just for velogames cash.
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| Forever the Best |
Posted on 29-05-2016 13:16
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Shonak wrote:
The Schleck Fan wrote:
Shonak wrote:
Those are just Ifs. If he had pulled off a Fuente De.. that's not so easy as you make it out to be. What if he had blown himself up trying a Fuente De?
Also, if it wasn't for the crash, Kruisj would have been with Nibali or slighty behind him. He would have not been with Valv group who were quite way down, so again, I don't buy it but I don't have to. Nibali won fair and square. If Kruis would have been dropped on the descent of Agnel(which he would have)he would have either waited for Valv group or blow himself up in flat before Risoul.
Yes,Nibali could have blown on stage 20,but the chances of Kruis blowing up is even higher since he would have chased mostly alone probably while Nibs uses his team.
And yes Nibali won fair and square.
Well that is rather bothersome.. Sure he could have gotten it some way, in some scenario. However, the chances of Steve Kruijs simply cruising it to Milano, the man who is branded as a demi-god in the third week of a GT (we've seen that previously) and who was the best climber of the race up to this point, are way higher than some Astana crazy tactic ever to succeed. But what do I care, history is written.
I hope that the final stage gets won by a botd too. If not, I'd like to see Modolo on top, just for velogames cash. Indeed.Nibali wrote a history. |
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| I_Mayo |
Posted on 29-05-2016 13:24
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Dusen wrote:
Nibali then only have to overcome Chavez who is known to ride a bad third week
Literally has ridden one, I mean one GT before this Giro where he even mattered and we are talking about some sort of pattern. It's nice to make your assumptions on such a small amount of evidence. |
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Posted on 29-05-2016 13:24
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Nibbles exploited Kruijswijk's weakness. Deserved winner. End of.
You call it luck, masters call it practice 
I love it that bike handling MATTERS. So you cant be a laboratory rat turning up at races and riding like a machine.
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| Forever the Best |
Posted on 29-05-2016 13:27
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Kirchen_75 wrote:
Nibbles exploited Kruijswijk's weakness. Deserved winner. End of.
You call it luck, masters call it practice
I love it that bike handling MATTERS. So you cant be a laboratory rat turning up at races and riding like a machine.
Great bike handlers show natural talent. This.Nibali mastered the last 2 stages to perfection.From 4:43 back in 4th to winning |
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| Shonak |
Posted on 29-05-2016 13:31
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Nibali said he hopes to ride the Tour de France and target a gold medal in the road race at the Rio Olympics. Despite tension in the Astana team between Nibali and his younger Italian rival Fabio Aru, Vinokourov hinted that victory at the Giro d'Italia and his Nibali's apparent freshness should see him in the Astana for the Grand Boucle.
"With the great legs and freshness that Vincenzo has, then why not ride the Tour too," Vinokourov said. "I don't think he's tired. We'll see, but I think he could do the Tour."
https://www.cyclin...th-astana/
please yes
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| Forever the Best |
Posted on 29-05-2016 13:38
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Shonak wrote:
Nibali said he hopes to ride the Tour de France and target a gold medal in the road race at the Rio Olympics. Despite tension in the Astana team between Nibali and his younger Italian rival Fabio Aru, Vinokourov hinted that victory at the Giro d'Italia and his Nibali's apparent freshness should see him in the Astana for the Grand Boucle.
"With the great legs and freshness that Vincenzo has, then why not ride the Tour too," Vinokourov said. "I don't think he's tired. We'll see, but I think he could do the Tour."
https://www.cyclin...th-astana/
please yes The double?Though I don't think he will win because he will be tired and is not as good as Contador or Froome or Quintana uphill.But he can take time in hilly stages and descents.Also we are talking about Astana so he can be in a inhuman form. |
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| Atlantius |
Posted on 29-05-2016 13:39
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A wonderful race alltogether with a deserved an unsurprising winner.
Sure Nibali had some surprisingly bad days partly orchestrated by his agressive style of racing that made it easy for the others to counterattack him. I for one am happy that he found his old self the last couple of days giving us some great racing - as he usual do thanks to his way of racing.
As to it being suspecious I buy in on his problems being mental feeling the pressure after a bad season last year and starting to slip through the hierachy. If that was the case it can be turned overnight by him finding his old mind-set.
For me that is hardly more suspicious that a 3-times GT champion pulls out something special than seeing a rider with 2 top GC top 10's (best 7th at last years Giro) suddenly crush everyone in such a dominant way...
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| Strydz |
Posted on 29-05-2016 14:02
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Shonak wrote:
Nibali said he hopes to ride the Tour de France and target a gold medal in the road race at the Rio Olympics. Despite tension in the Astana team between Nibali and his younger Italian rival Fabio Aru, Vinokourov hinted that victory at the Giro d'Italia and his Nibali's apparent freshness should see him in the Astana for the Grand Boucle.
"With the great legs and freshness that Vincenzo has, then why not ride the Tour too," Vinokourov said. "I don't think he's tired. We'll see, but I think he could do the Tour."
https://www.cyclin...th-astana/
please yes
The main thing that disturbs me about that article is it saying that Nibali has a close personal relationship with that Bahraini prince, talk about keeping BAD company
Just a little insight into who will own Nibali's next team https://fittish.deadspin.com/the-bahra...1778675162
Edited by Strydz on 29-05-2016 14:20
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 29-05-2016 14:32
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Shonak wrote:
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Trolling Majka was fun, good job forum
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So far we have:
- Majka counting RPM
- Majka needs someone to pull for him when he needs to go and take a shit
- Majka feeling slightly under the weather and tempo is too high
- Majka, despite not being Italian, is unofficially leading the race in gesticulations, a whopping 105 more than 2nd place Pirazzi |
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| Choklets |
Posted on 29-05-2016 15:02
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The main thing that disturbs me about that article is it saying that Nibali has a close personal relationship with that Bahraini prince, talk about keeping BAD company
Just a little insight into who will own Nibali's next team https://fittish.deadspin.com/the-bahra...1778675162
What you need a conscience for anyhow? It doesn't buy you fancy sport cars and mansions.
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