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| kimiopn |
Posted on 28-02-2014 23:43
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I was brought here after Ste117 created a topic about the Ukrainian crisis.
From the opposite side of Europe my opinion is that the West should have thought more about the stability of the region before deciding to cheer up the rebellion.
It's hard to define when a group of armed people are brave rebels who fight for the people against an oppressive power or terrorists who kill and destroy randomly and use propaganda for brain washing.
If we take into account that revolutions are violent, use armed force and that abuses are always made in every single revolution that make our actual holidays, then we speak of "the winners write History", and that geopolitical interests support the opinion of "international community".
European Union countries had their own manifestations on the last years. In Portugal with the austerity measures the government is applying and defending and that are dictated by European authorities and IMF, people get mad, but still "people" haven't sniped police men or grow barricades on the middle of the streets. The geopolitical interests are not that far, despite human suffering is reaching a low point unseen for decades.
The nationalists used force and got people with them in Ukraine. Europe and the US supported that. Now Russia is trying to defend what they have in Ukraine. They did the same in Georgia a couple of years ago. Cold war isn't over. For those who support it, now deal with it. |
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| Ste117 |
Posted on 01-03-2014 01:05
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I agree the Cold War has never been over despite the splitting up of the USSR, my opinion is if the US want to go into another country to yet again get the upper hand over Russia then they will here in Ukraine. The West won't want Russia to take Crimea, which is rich for exporting goods and importing. Doing that would further strengthen Russia.
This has just become more than a Ukrainian uprising that it started out to be. It is becoming a who is top dog again between the US and Russia and yet again the UK will be carried along to war like a puppy dog by the US.
But unlike other cases I feel we can't stay out of this, we need to do something, Ukraine's economy isn't strong at the moment, if they lose Crimea, what next for them!
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Posted on 01-03-2014 01:10
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I love how in these type of situations, these statements always occur
"Agence France Press quoted a top Ukranian official as saying Russian aircraft carrying nearly 2,000 suspected troops"
In this case, I drew it from Fox News 
baseballlover312, 06-03-14 : "Nuke Moscow...Don't worry Russia, we've got plenty of love to go around your cities"
Sarah Palin, 08-03-14 (CPAC, on Russian aggression) : "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke"
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 01-03-2014 01:13
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Hmmm. So let me call my supervisor.
*ring* *ring*
"Hi Mr. general of US Armed Forces"
"Uhh huh"
"Yup"
"Okay so just so we're clear, the plan with Russia is to build nukes."
"Many nukes."
"A whole lot of nukes."
"Nukes. Nukes everywhere."
"Okay, got it."
"Bye"
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Don't worry guys, it's all under control.
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| kimiopn |
Posted on 01-03-2014 02:22
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In 2000 years from now all people will wear 2 towers on their neck instead of a crucifix lol |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 01-03-2014 09:14
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Russia have effectively taken control of Crimea, seizing airports, patrolling the streets, bringing more troops in, all that with people with unidentified uniforms, got to wonder where they might be from. Probably Swaziland...
Westerners are not going to do shit, as they'll avoid military confrontation by all means. Verbal threats, and finger pointing, but that'll probably be it, basically.
With Crimea, the new Ukrainian government would still struggle to save its economy, but without it... no way, especially if Russia is free to multiply by 4 or so the price of their gas. They won't last long and go bankrupt. Until a new government is needed there, that'll be more Moscow friendly (watch out for Ianoukovith II, the return).
Now, how ironic is it to hear the Russians complaining about the fascists from Ukraine, when you know the status of human rights in their own country, how much of a totalitarian regime they are, etc. Also how hypocritical they are when they claim things as "respect countries' sovereignty" but are prompt to intervene in whatever borderland country they'd wish to claim as theirs. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 01-03-2014 09:18
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Aquarius wrote:whatever borderland country
Oh the irony
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| 547984 |
Posted on 02-03-2014 03:32
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Dammit, where's RT when you need it 
baseballlover312, 06-03-14 : "Nuke Moscow...Don't worry Russia, we've got plenty of love to go around your cities"
Sarah Palin, 08-03-14 (CPAC, on Russian aggression) : "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke"
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 03-03-2014 16:26
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Seems that Russia has given the Ukrainian forces a deadline til 04.00 (GMT+1) to lay down their arms.
From this side, the whole situation looks like basicly like Russia has simply taken a chance to "invade" a country that was allready destablized, claiming that it's to protect Russian interest, that being Russian people in the region. Though, I suspect Sevastopol is the main reason behind it.
To me it almost looks like some form of "Lebensraum-politics" by Putin.
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Posted on 03-03-2014 16:34
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If you think about it: Hitler invaded Sudetenland trying to 'help the Germans'. Putin seems to be doing the exact same thing now. Back then the European reaction was a nein, now it also doesn't seem to go further than a njet.
Not that I'm scared of a new war, it's just something that came to mind
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 03-03-2014 17:02
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I don't believe this will result in another world war. I can, from the top of my head, think of two possible situations; 1) Russia is doing this to assert dominance and it will peter out after a while, or 2) it's going to become something more aching to a Cold War, rather than a World War. Russia will declare Crimea to be something more like a "protectorate" where they highly reccomend Ukraine to allowed Russian troops to be stationed in order to avoid any "future confrontations".
Basicly mafia-politics and protection money on a grand scale.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 04-03-2014 07:33
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Selwink wrote:
If you think about it: Hitler invaded Sudetenland trying to 'help the Germans'. Putin seems to be doing the exact same thing now. Back then the European reaction was a nein, now it also doesn't seem to go further than a njet.
Not that I'm scared of a new war, it's just something that came to mind
This was in fact accepted by foreign countries (France, USA,GB) in München in 1938. They throw us over the board to save their asses for a year...
So Hitler has taken Sudetenland under the international law.
West countries has given Ukraine false hopes of chance to be part of EU and now will abandon them again. Problem with Crimea is, that more than half of inhabitans are russians. So in fact, it is still more part of Russia, rather than Ukraine...
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| Crommy |
Posted on 04-03-2014 19:53
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Selwink wrote:
If you think about it: Hitler invaded Sudetenland trying to 'help the Germans'. Putin seems to be doing the exact same thing now. Back then the European reaction was a nein, now it also doesn't seem to go further than a njet.
Not that I'm scared of a new war, it's just something that came to mind
This was in fact accepted by foreign countries (France, USA,GB) in München in 1938. They throw us over the board to save their asses for a year...
So Hitler has taken Sudetenland under the international law.
West countries has given Ukraine false hopes of chance to be part of EU and now will abandon them again. Problem with Crimea is, that more than half of inhabitans are russians. So in fact, it is still more part of Russia, rather than Ukraine...
What do you think the EU should do?
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 04-03-2014 22:20
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I am not much into this topic, but this image is just pure thruth. Also, Ex-Yugoslavia should be somewhere in there.
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| Crommy |
Posted on 04-03-2014 23:15
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admirschleck wrote:
I am not much into this topic, but this image is just pure thruth. Also, Ex-Yugoslavia should be somewhere in there.
You don't know much about Russian foreign policy, do you?
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| 547984 |
Posted on 05-03-2014 00:38
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admirschleck wrote:
I am not much into this topic, but this image is just pure thruth. Also, Ex-Yugoslavia should be somewhere in there.
For once, the Ukraine situation is actually a tad different, but I get the point
baseballlover312, 06-03-14 : "Nuke Moscow...Don't worry Russia, we've got plenty of love to go around your cities"
Sarah Palin, 08-03-14 (CPAC, on Russian aggression) : "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke"
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| Levi4life |
Posted on 05-03-2014 00:42
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admirschleck wrote:
I am not much into this topic, but this image is just pure thruth. Also, Ex-Yugoslavia should be somewhere in there.
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 05-03-2014 00:48
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My only thing about this whole Russian/Ukraine situation is that I don't think I've read a single Russian friendly article in any non Russian newspaper. I felt the same before Sochi as well. It's odd, normally there are at least a couple of dissenting voices.
Also, I feel like my Russian geography is significantly better than it was 2 months ago.
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| 547984 |
Posted on 05-03-2014 00:56
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Once I somehow watch an hour of Fox or MSNBC over here I need to flip the channel to RT. 
baseballlover312, 06-03-14 : "Nuke Moscow...Don't worry Russia, we've got plenty of love to go around your cities"
Sarah Palin, 08-03-14 (CPAC, on Russian aggression) : "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke"
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 05-03-2014 06:30
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Crommy wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Selwink wrote:
If you think about it: Hitler invaded Sudetenland trying to 'help the Germans'. Putin seems to be doing the exact same thing now. Back then the European reaction was a nein, now it also doesn't seem to go further than a njet.
Not that I'm scared of a new war, it's just something that came to mind
This was in fact accepted by foreign countries (France, USA,GB) in München in 1938. They throw us over the board to save their asses for a year...
So Hitler has taken Sudetenland under the international law.
West countries has given Ukraine false hopes of chance to be part of EU and now will abandon them again. Problem with Crimea is, that more than half of inhabitans are russians. So in fact, it is still more part of Russia, rather than Ukraine...
What do you think the EU should do?
Now? Hard to say, but they should not have given Ukraine people false hopes that they can be part of EU soon. Anyone with common sense would not want Ukraine in EU. There economy is from 80% made from Crimea, which can in the end end as different state from rest of Ukraine. West of Ukraine is so poor,that they can hardly compete even with Portugal and similar.
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