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[2022] Rider Renewals
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 10-08-2022 11:06
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redordead wrote:
cunego59 wrote:
SotD wrote:
One thing I think we need to look at in the future is to present the database prior to renewals. I think some teams could be intruiged to renew/release certain riders if they knew what the new talent pool would look like. IRL this is fairly well known ahead of the process as scouts can look for talents, results etc., while in Man-Game we create our teams based on a guess as to what is actually available.
If we know that a big talent is present, and what he will look like, some managers might clear up wage cap prior to the transferseason, and in seasons like this, where the talentpool is lower they might want to stick more to their original team.
Just a thought 
I think that's a really good point. We do need more than one or two people working on it to make that happen I think, but it looks like there are enough who would be willing to contribute
Probably the DB, calendar and renewals starting should all come out at pretty much the same time. Then a renewals deadline can be set early and everything can be clearer for everyone
Of course need a few more ppl to make that a reality.
Well, here I have to say that I for one volunteered to help out with cleaning up the FA pool (https://pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=61161&rowstart=40#post_1412946). Unfortunately I was never contacted about this, so right now I'm a bit annoyed that this work wasn't really done in the end, as it was probably the only thing (more or less) all managers agreed with.
I too don't want to blame the people that worked really hard on this, as they clearly did it with the best intentions. But at the moment it's maybe just too many things we didn't see expect which causes the grumbling?
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| SotD |
Posted on 10-08-2022 11:14
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Croatia14 wrote:
cunego59 wrote:
The point in my opinion is to have enough useful domestiques and some second-tier contenders to fill out the back half of the roster to satisfy role playing aspects. For smaller nations, this takes time. I unfortunately came a bit too late for Areruya, so what I have to work with is Ndayisenga (which is nice) and a bunch of guys like the Mugishas who will max out at 74-75. Guys that are useful in PCT and not a complete waste of space should I ever make it to PT. Govekar is exactly that (though I would have made him stronger as well), as are Hocevar and Jarc, who were added last year and not developed (sorry to harp on Slovenia again, but just as an example). Maybe at some point in the future, we'll get another top caliber Rwandan, and maybe another top caliber Costa Rican as well.
I'm sorry, but comparing #7 in the PCS nations ranking with 3 long-term main nation teams (Slovenia) to #44 Costa Rica and #53 Rwanda. For scale:
#6 Great Britain
#7 Slovenia 7283
#8 Denmark
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#43 Uzbekistan
#44 Costa Rica 275
#45 Uruguay
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#52 Chile
#53 Rwanda 192
#54 Iran
If you compare to rl quality, it's more like Slovenia is underrepresented. Especially with 3 long-term Slovenian main sponsor teams. I still argue that Rwanda and Costa Rica should receive better riders, but Slovenia should receive far better ones.
Those rankings are just really difficult to take much from though. Especially seeing as well over half the points of most nations are spread across a very small pool of riders. For example Slovenia has 5.484 points or equivalent to 75,3% of their points scored by two riders (Pogacar and Roglic). Adding Mohoric' 1032 points make a total of 6.516 points or equivalent to 89,5% of the nations points spread across just 3 riders. That doesn't mean that the nation in general is more talented that nr. 25 on the list. Only that the top end quality of the nations riders are extremely potent.
So in order to use those rankings it's needed to look pretty detailed into things. When Spilak was at his peak he was also forcing Slovenia well into the top 10 of Man Game nations.
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| cunego59 |
Posted on 10-08-2022 12:33
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Croatia14 wrote:
I'm sorry, but comparing #7 in the PCS nations ranking with 3 long-term main nation teams (Slovenia) to #44 Costa Rica and #53 Rwanda.
I mean, if we compare the riders in the database (limited to age 30 and below to have the future a bit in mind), Slovenia currently has 4 riders above 77 avg and a total of 11 with 74 or higher. Those numbers for Rwanda are 1 and 3, and for Costa Rica 0 and 1. This is obviously entirely fine considering I'm entering my third season, DarkWolf is entering his second, and you and red have been at this for quite a while. But it's not like we're flooding the market with lots of Rwandan and Costa Rican talent and there's nothing for Slovenian teams. Hocevar and Cemazar alone are easily better than anything that came or will come out of Rwanda and Costa Rica in the past two or three years. But this is perhaps getting a bit beyond the point.
SotD wrote:
I certainly don't want anymore riders in general in the phramework of 75-80, but the percentage of top level talents is too low imo.
If we look at my 51 rider benchmark (adjusted to 50 for easy calculation) we see this spread:
80 - 2%
79 - 6%
78 - 2%
76-77 - 90%
This IMO is the exact problem we have been yelling about. Crowding the riders into one category. If these 50 riders are representative for a GC/GT we will see 90% of the GC riders be marked almost identical in strength, while the top 10% (5 riders) will sit safely on the top spots. All other GC sports from 6-50 is entirely up to chance.
So my point is, that it's too crowded and not spread well enough. My suggestions (from previous post) looks like this:
80 - 5%
79 - 10%
78 - 15%
76-77 - 70%
I like that spread much more tbh. It could even be 5 - 15 - 20 - 60
Then I misunderstood, I thought you meant that it wouldn't be worth getting talents that land in that 76-77 range, which I'd disagree with. But I definetely agree with the above (not 100% sure about the numbers, but that's something we can still figure out). I think this is where the "preset draft class" thing could be very useful. We should be able to map out the composition of the DB pretty well then.
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| roturn |
Posted on 10-08-2022 12:57
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Post Renewal DB Update V3
https://pcmdaily....ls_v3.xlsm
- Worked on some Nations, e.g. ageing Nations without much talents
- FA pool got cleaned further. V2 already had a three digit number of deleted FAs, V3 sees unused riders adjusted. Both is supposed to help against inflation while more will follow in the next seasons.
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| Marcovdw |
Posted on 10-08-2022 13:18
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My team is still referred to as Minions instead of Minions - Subwoolfer. I admit it was a last-minute name change but it would be much appreciated
Great work on the DB
Edited by Marcovdw on 10-08-2022 13:49
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 10-08-2022 14:03
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Rider with id 4 is a duplicate of rider 7185.
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| SotD |
Posted on 10-08-2022 14:26
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The following riders seems to be dublicates from what I can see:
Jonathan Caicedo - 506 / 664
Roger Adria - 184 / 388
Miguel Ballesteros - 822 / 5074
Fernando Barcelo - 58 / 957
Adrian Bustamente - 914 / 5131
Diego Camargo - 377 / 2073
Miguel Florez - 284 / 852
I guess there are more, but those were the ones I came across.
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| Marcovdw |
Posted on 10-08-2022 14:47
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Found two more:
Pierre Gouault - 5063/6259
Roger Adria - 184/5136
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| fjhoekie |
Posted on 11-08-2022 10:05
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Rider ID 286 - first and last names are the wrong way around
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| Ulrich Ulriksen |
Posted on 12-08-2022 01:40
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Rider ID 400 - Abner Gonzalez, was new 22 yo FA add in v2, deleted in v3. Just want to make sure that was intentional and not an accident while deleting unused FAs.
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| Eden95 |
Posted on 12-08-2022 14:15
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I've just noticed that my rider Muhamad Yudha ID 6183 has been removed from the db between V2 and V3. There was a new addition that had the same name in v2 so maybe they were both accidentally removed instead of just the duplicate?
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 12-08-2022 19:03
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This has been an issue in the past, but Sweden has two abbreviations - "SWD" and "SWE." I believe "SWD" was the original as it has the majority of riders.
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| roturn |
Posted on 13-08-2022 10:42
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Post Renewal DB Update V4
https://pcmdaily....ls_v4.xlsm
Maybe the final transfers DB.
Fixed couple of mistakes that were mentioned in the renewals thread as also finalised the last team of renewals. |
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| Fabianski |
Posted on 14-08-2022 20:20
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Riders 355 and 5977 are the same, once as Antonio Jesus Soto, once as Antonio Soto. Stats and XP are identical. Neither has the right DoB, though  (correct: 1994-12-24)
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