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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 22-05-2022 13:32
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Congrats to Shonak!
Good ride by Roe. He was very solid and collected all day. Didn't have the speed to come around in the end, but that's expected. A day like that from him is appreciated. A podium is always a great result.
On the other hand, both Warbasse and Eg manage to lose more time on the descent. We're now very close to actually realizing our worst case scenario of neither of them making the top 20, as they fall to 17th and 18th. I have to wonder if part of this was Eg being ahead of Warbasse early and maybe making us work for the worse rider? But honestly I don't know at this point.
Unless one of them gains minutes in a lucky break, there's not much that can be done at this point. Our guys rode good TT's, but the TT's didn't really matter time wise, and they've been horrendous in the mountains. We've done decently on stage placings, which is why we're 4th on points scored, but once the final jersey results are tallied, we will plummet.
Still not as bad as what Sammy's had to deal with with Ranaweera though. His consistently bad days are really terrible luck given he should easily top 5 here. It's like he's on terrible overall form, but of course, it's really just unlucky daily form.
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| cunego59 |
Posted on 22-05-2022 13:43
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Just wanted to say that I really enjoy the reports from a neutral perspective, some exciting racing excellently reported! Interesting to see that the very top of the GC seems to impact the relegation fight more than the promotion fight, although Cedevita and Duolingo could still bag some good GC points, plus Min in white. I hope that Nerz can hold on to yellow!
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| MacC |
Posted on 22-05-2022 15:09
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Is Brandt going for the KOM ? I really disapprove
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| DaveTwoBob |
Posted on 22-05-2022 15:41
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Congrats to Shonak and thanks for another great report Nemo.
Nerz seems happy to rely on other teams to manage the gaps, not sure his manager is keeping his cool as well!
Another dangerous stage survived for the two Kraftwerk jersey holders.
Good to see Costagli closer at the finish because there is a big uphill finish tomorrow where teammates could be vital.
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| redordead |
Posted on 22-05-2022 18:43
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Finally a breakaway!! 
I don't trust Zordan in the KOM battle because of how passive he is with going in breakaways. Which is a shame, because he looks really well suited to it 
I'm not mad at Gilanipoor for losing time. Hopefully he can stop blocking Pogacar from going in breakaways sooner rather than later 
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 22-05-2022 19:28
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Thanks for another awesome report Nemolito! You can tell how much care and time you're investing into every one of them.
Given where we were coming in, this was pretty much a status quo stage for us. Fall off with the second tier guys, lose some time, but don't completely explode. In some ways I should be thankful, given how bad Ranaweera has inexplicably been day after day. It's really just a travesty to see him in 15th place right now. Not to mention Carapaz in 12th. You look at the guys they lost time to today and just scratch your head.
In GT's, even with fitness turned off, it seems PCM just picks certain riders to be good, and others to be bad. I don't know how or why. Two years ago, Warbasse was one of the good ones. He stormed to 2nd overall, beating guys with superior climbing stats. This year, it's guys like Potocki, Aru, and Gilianpoor who have been consistently among the very best climbers, day after day. It's hard to understand why in PCM's normal mechanics, but there's clearly something to it.
The unfortunate thing is that two years ago, when Warbasse was the overperformer, it didn't ultimately matter. We relegated anyway. On the other hand, we came into this race with at least a semblance of something to fight for. True, even a 6th or 7th place wouldn't have been enough to get back in the promotion fight. It would have taken a miracle. But Warbasse has been straight up horrendous. Not Ranaweera horrendous in terms of relative underperformance, but very bad. I can live with him losing big time to guys like Nerz. But the fact that he's 5 minutes down on some of the 3rd-4th tier climbers I mentioned earlier is really hard to swallow. He would need a crazy solo on stage 16 to come close to meeting expectations at this point.
And it really is just Warbasse, not Eg. To be honest, Eg has actually been pretty good. He's only a 77 climber with good backups but low acceleration. Finishing in the 2nd or third group on these stages is fine. 13th overall would be a good result from him at the end. But whether it's good is really dependent on Warbasse, our actual leader, finishing in 6th rather than 16th, where he currently sits.
Anyway, that's two days in a row in the break for Roe now. Don't expect he has the climbing legs in him to go for the KOM at this point, but if he keeps at it, he could realistically jump to third there. He's looked good so far. Him being in the break left Warbasse and Eg a little isolated for sure, but, at this point, we should just go for it. Whether you finish 15th or 17th doesn't matter much at the end of 3 weeks.
Chance for Bouglas tomorrow, but probably a breakaway stage unfortunately.
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| MacC |
Posted on 22-05-2022 19:30
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Really great reports !
Brandt is stage hunting when I just want to see him consolidate the GC place. He's got away with it so far though !
In the last week I hope to see Haas attacking on the medium stages and Brandt play it safe. Hard to tell if the TT is hilly ?? but that might be our best shot at some more points ...
Nelson will hopefully have enough left for one more sprint...
Overall, it has been on the disappointing side. We need a hero in green to step up!
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| DaveTwoBob |
Posted on 22-05-2022 20:24
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Lucky for Kraftwerk the stage wasn't ridden hard enough to drop our puncheurs, Moazemi and Rumac. Both worked hard to close gaps and Moazemi finished an incredible 15th on the stage.
Nerz chose his moment to finally attack and made it count with a stage win and extending his GC lead by nearly a minute.
Tomorrow is a long Breakaway/Sprint/Late Attack day. Will the sprinters teams have the firepower to bring back the break and give Haller or Rumac a shot at the win, depends how big it is I guess.
But its stage 17 that looms large where Nerz could get isolated, not counting any chickens yet.
Thanks again for another fantastic report Nemo, top quality stuff.
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| Bikex |
Posted on 22-05-2022 21:39
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Chaiyasombat is amazing just hope this won't have any implications regarding his renewal demands. 
It's cool to see quite a few of my former riders active here, old man Denifl still in striking distance is nice! |
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| Ulrich Ulriksen |
Posted on 22-05-2022 22:47
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Chaiyasombat saving our race here. Heroic stuff to defend the jersey. Think McNulty and Revard are sacrificing themselves a little to help but that is probably the right call. Holding the KOM jersey has more value than 1 or 2 places in the u25.
Not good from Kuss, down to 18th on the GC is poor. I dont think this stage with a very steep final climb but not a lot before that suits the more one dimensional guys. But he is by no means the biggest underperformer. Fallen enough now where a shot at the break might be in the cards.
In the TDF the final results mirrored the stats, going to have to be some big GC changes here for that to be the case.
Thanks for the great reports Nemo. Expecting a good day for the break tomorrow and then 17 will be decisive.
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| redordead |
Posted on 23-05-2022 08:49
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10th for Saber is not his worst result 
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| DaveTwoBob |
Posted on 23-05-2022 09:26
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Congrats to liefwarrior for the breakaway win.
I guess the domestiques wanted a day off considering what is coming in the next stage.
With 1 flat stage left Haller looks good for green if he can avoid an OTL tomorrow.
Thanks for another great report Nemo.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 23-05-2022 11:41
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Whelp, we definitely won't get a stage win if we can't leverage that kind of numerical strength in an easy breakaway day. On the plus side, continued strong exposure for the sponsors and at least we are making the breaks.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 23-05-2022 12:41
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Congrats to Tyrg!
Nothing day for us. No one in the break, and Bouglas didn't sprint, so he's leapfrogged by a bunch of guys in the points standings.
What I want is a full out assault on the next king stage by Warbasse and our doms, trying to gain minutes. I probably won't get that, but he'll still be dropped at a similar time I guess.
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| MacC |
Posted on 23-05-2022 17:32
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Sadly predictable that Brandt collapsed...
He might as well go for Stages now ..
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| Gustavovskiy |
Posted on 23-05-2022 19:05
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Have been trying to keep up with the pace but the reports come fast and furious. After a lull in those mountain stages between week 2 and 3 the race seems to have re-ignited in stage 17. Aru is having a stupendous race. Magnificent effort from Hiratsuka to ride the break and still have the power in the legs to pull in the favourites group. Nerz did lose some ground but he's got enough to time to manage his loss. Thanks for all the reports Nemo!
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| DaveTwoBob |
Posted on 23-05-2022 19:33
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Another great report Nemo, had me on the edge of my keyboard.
Kraftwerk left to chase the inevitable large break meant Nerz was isolated and he wasn't on a good day. Warchol took advantage and Nerz had to dig deep to limit his losses to 35 seconds.
Of Nerz closest rivals only Lunke has a good TT stat, not sure how the slope will influence the ITT result.
Congrats to tobiasandersen for another stage win.
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| Ulrich Ulriksen |
Posted on 23-05-2022 22:57
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I threw that flat stage in the parcours because I love it, as stage 16 of a GT it was the right thing for them to let the break go. Glad we were in it but Van Winden was the wrong guy - maybe they figured he would miss the time cut the next day regardless.
The queen stage lived up to its billing I think. Heroic stuff from Nerz to protect the jersey. Kuss going in the break was the right call, thought he might have had a chance if it stayed away.
We lost the KOM jersey but no regrets there, held it much longer than I thought.
Thanks for more great reports.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 24-05-2022 00:12
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Warbasse went mid-stage on the descent. 68 downhill. I'm asleep. This is my nightmare.
Down to 21st overall now. Roe outside the top 30. Eg with a good ride today, but he doesn't move up a single spot.
I can't believe I looked forward to this race all year. Next year I'll have to skip it so I can actually enjoys the racing and the great reports.
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| Eden95 |
Posted on 24-05-2022 01:20
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So close yet so far. Disappointing for Nerz to only lose 35” after cracking with 10km left, sadly Warchol not good enough to capitalise on it here. Silver linings though, he should be able to at least keep a podium spot barring total disaster even with the TT. Some massive overachievers already mentioned by others just keep putting in good performances with no signs of a bad day or drop in form - makes you feel for sammy and bbl.
Very worried about the remaining stages. It seems the teams of the top favourites aren’t really that strong and if the right riders happen to make the botd, they could really do some damage. I predict a long range Ranaweera attack to save his race. Thanks for the quick reports Nemo, they’re wonderful
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