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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 07-10-2013 21:41
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baseballlover312 wrote:
This plan is horrible why is this happening? Who caused this?
McQuaid or Cookson I'll say.
Btw, I think we're all forgetting the worst part: the CT calendar recuded to a freakin' 50 race days. |
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 07-10-2013 21:43
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I hate Cookson now. Why couldn't I have been UCI president?  I'll let everyone where there bodies out to oblivion if they want. That's the nature of sport and this is ruining it.
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| Dippofix |
Posted on 07-10-2013 21:48
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baseballlover312 wrote:
I hate Cookson now. Why couldn't I have been UCI president? I'll let everyone where there bodies out to oblivion if they want. That's the nature of sport and this is ruining it.
This. A Rider should know himself, how much he can handle. Possibly they could up the squad size and put in a limit of rider racedays or something, but cutting races or shortening them shouldn't be accepted.
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| CountArach |
Posted on 07-10-2013 22:51
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Quite frankly I think we have to acknowledge that the race calendar we have is overstretched for the amount of money that is in the sport. A reduced calendar would ensure that sponsorship is funnelled into the right channels that will help to keep older, more established races alive. Plus with a reduced calendar we would likely see increased levels of competition at each of the top races. Not only that but it isn't like the other races will completely disappear, they would just go to the 2nd tier racing. Tour Down Under, Tour of California, Eneco Tour, Pologne - these are races that are clearly in the second tier of the sport and together could create quite a nice calendar.
As for the 50 days in Division 2 racing, it is probable that those teams would be able to get wildcards to the top races as well as racing in the various continental tours (anything else would surely see revolts from these teams). 16 top teams with 8 riders each is only 128 riders - plenty more room there.
Jesus people it is just a single graphic and we are just guessing how things will work. Just chill out.
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| CountArach |
Posted on 07-10-2013 22:54
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Miguel98 wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
This plan is horrible why is this happening? Who caused this?
McQuaid or Cookson I'll say.
No way in hell Cookson got something like this done and drafted so quickly. It is likely to be one of the many different working groups within the UCI executive and organisation and was probably started by McQuaid ut may not have involved him in any way.
Once again people, chill out. Don't say you hate Cookson until you know it was Cookson and you hear his reasons for doing it.
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| fosforgasXIII |
Posted on 07-10-2013 23:29
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So wait, that 120 days is only for the UCI races (or 1st division or whatever it will get called), or does it mean 120 races in total for 1st division teams? |
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 07-10-2013 23:35
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Could this happen like next year or what's the deal?
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 08-10-2013 00:05
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Very informative first look at the possible future revisions of the calendar over at Inrng https://inrng.com/2013/10/ucis-2020-vi...20-vision/
Edited by ianrussell on 08-10-2013 00:06
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 08-10-2013 00:10
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In my opinion this is just ridiculous. They are trying to make cycling some kind of circuit racing league or something. And it isn't. This is ruining what we know and love about cycling to some extent, at elast for me.
Is this confirmed to be 100% happening?
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| jacobjc88 |
Posted on 08-10-2013 00:33
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Am I the only one around here who find it good that they are shortening the races? Oo |
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| CountArach |
Posted on 08-10-2013 02:06
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baseballlover312 wrote:
In my opinion this is just ridiculous. They are trying to make cycling some kind of circuit racing league or something. And it isn't. This is ruining what we know and love about cycling to some extent, at elast for me.
If you want cycling to thrive you need to accept that it needs sponsorship. If you want sponsorship you need stability. if you want stability you need something like a league system. Cycling is currently way too uncertain and confusing from the outside and that is the sort of thing that turns away sponsors. If you want cycling to thrive then we need something like this. Just because it isn't now doesn't mean it should be. If you want the sport to be professional then it has to be run professionally.
Vaughters has talked in the past about the necessity of having franchises and I know other team managers have as well. If you have a franchise system once again you have stability and you can have sponsors committing for 5, 6 years knowing that they will receive a constant return on investment for that entire time.
The only thing I really dislike here is shortening the stage races and I would like some further information on the 50 race days in 2nd Division. Can you please explain exactly what else you dislike so intensely here and your reason(s) for it. From here it looks like you are just completely overreacting to an early document.
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| sammyt93 |
Posted on 08-10-2013 02:19
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First off sorry for the essay, didn't mean it to be so long.
Stopping the races from overlapping would be a good thing for sponsors who won't have their race competing with another for attention in terms of marketing and attracting the best riders which could bring more money into the sport but it's meddling with some traditions like P-N/T-A being on at the same time and would prevent different styles of races being on at the same time like the Vuelta and Quebec/Montreal which would attract different riders. And the same goes for lesser warmup races before the GT's where the GC men would perhaps want a different schedule to the sprinters but would need those races on at the same time.
This will also have consequences in terms of races being demoted/ lost and then struggling to survive with the lower standard of riders attracting less sponsor money and giving the race lower prestige if the calender reshuffles take place. There must be races that wouldn't survive if they went down a level and were no longer attracting the top stars and the sponsorship that being able to say that the world's best are present brings although once it settles down then it should be easier to save races that are coming into trouble.
I'm not sure what to make of the smaller squads because in one way it will help bring the cost of running a team down which could help attract sponsors who would be interested in sponsoring a team but currently couldn't afford to sponsor a big team. This could help teams become more stable if the budgets aren't stretched as much or if it would be cheaper for a new sponsor to come in and replace one that is leaving. On the other hand it could possibly mean a team has to become specialised to compete meaning less teams turn up in a position where they could realisticly get a win and hurt some teams e.g. lotto not being able to support Griepel and Van Den Broek's contrasting goals against teams that are specialised in one or the other. I'm not sure whether that's a god thing that would create more attacking racing from those that wouldn't have a chance otherwise or whether it will mean that super teams like Sky will find it far easier to dominate if their best riders can focus on the same races and not have to split up as much throughout the season.
Atleast making promotion and relegation from the top tier far more transparant would be a good thing as it's currently one of the most baffling things about the sport and hopefully the riders can then be signed on the basis of who would strengthen the team rather then who hapened to be racing somewhere weak and managed to pick up loads of points a la signing the top riders on the asian tour because they carry alot of points rather then they would be able to handle the step up to a higher level or singing riders that are great domestiques/ young talents but don't have many points because they have been riding for others.
tl;dr overall I think it's a bad idea that has potentially unseen consequences that will change the sport for the worse but I can see where they are coming from with most of it and agree with the motives and the ideas behind it even if I don't always agree with the planned action
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| CountArach |
Posted on 08-10-2013 02:39
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Where does it talk about smaller teams? Have you perhaps confused "16 teams" with "teams of 16"?
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| sammyt93 |
Posted on 08-10-2013 02:51
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CountArach wrote:
Where does it talk about smaller teams? Have you perhaps confused "16 teams" with "teams of 16"?
There would be less race days and there's no competition between first and second tier events meaning you would not need as big a squad through the season as you'd only be competing in one event at a time and wouldn't need as big a squad as you currently do as you wouldn't be able to sustain it with the reduction of race days available to you.
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| CountArach |
Posted on 08-10-2013 02:59
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sammyt93 wrote:
CountArach wrote:
Where does it talk about smaller teams? Have you perhaps confused "16 teams" with "teams of 16"?
There would be less race days and there's no competition between first and second tier events meaning you would not need as big a squad through the season as you'd only be competing in one event at a time and wouldn't need as big a squad as you currently do as you wouldn't be able to sustain it with the reduction of race days available to you.
To take the example of Paris-Nice and Tirreno, you would clearly need to send different squads to both of them. I presume that one would start the day after the other, or two days, and hence travel between two with any degree of freshness would still be difficult. It would be hypothetically possible to send a rider to both but then they are going to be too exhausted after them to be much use. Same with
I'm more curious about how this is going to work in practical terms. There are only so many days in a year and if they want to shorten the calendar from February to October while still having key races either wholly occurring or finishing on Sundays then it is going to be tough fitting everything in. Ultimately I doubt that some of these things will happen (it is conceivable that Paris-Nice/Tirreno and Dauphine/Suisse will remain overlapping for historical reasons and certainly you could run a stage race during the cobbled classics season).
Also speaking as someone on the opposite side of the world to Europe, not having 2 races on the same day would mean that I could watch more cycling. As it is if there are two races (say Dauphine/Suisse) then one will finish at about midnight-12:30 and then the next one will finish at about 2am if I'm lucky and I am thus far less likely to see any of the second race. If everything finished at a fairly uniform time I would see more racing. I'm sure other Australians have had similar experiences and doubtless some Americans have too.
As for the reduction in race days teams can still pick .1 and HC races to increase the amount of racing they do, and certainly these will have to overlap with the whole calendar otherwise there literally will be no days for them to run.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 08-10-2013 03:02
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WWoah holy crap CountArach changed his avatar. 
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| CountArach |
Posted on 08-10-2013 03:10
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baseballlover312 wrote:
WWoah holy crap CountArach changed his avatar.
More than a week ago
Edited by CountArach on 08-10-2013 03:10
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Posted on 08-10-2013 03:11
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IIt's been like that for a few weeks now I think.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 08-10-2013 03:13
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CountArach wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
WWoah holy crap CountArach changed his avatar.
More than a week ago
I just look at the avatars so I figured you just didn't post and I only noticed the username now.
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| sammyt93 |
Posted on 08-10-2013 03:20
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if they are reduced to 5-6 days long and both finish on a sunday like they want then you'd have the monday and possibly the tuesday free between them so if you travelled on the sunday night which wouldn't be any different to how they travel during the race then they'd get one or 2 days off. Then it would almost be like doing a 2 week tour with a rest day in the middle which wouldn't be too much longer then the Tour de Suisse which is currently 9 days and the sort of distance they'd travel between would be less the when the GT's start outside the country, e.g. when the giro started in Denmark
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