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TdF'13 Stage 21 - Versailles to Paris (July 21)
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 21-07-2013 19:51
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Here comes the Vino-move from Muravyev 
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Noval strategy: wants to get a head start on the buffet
Brilliant 
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 21-07-2013 19:53
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547984 wrote:
valverde321 wrote:
When is it going to get dark? It looks to me like they might finish before it even gets dark, which would be a bit of a let down.
I know it doesn't get dark here until about ~9:30pm and if my timezone calculation is right thats not for another 1.5 hours in France
Idea is to finish at dusk, not dark...or else you cant even see. At this rate finish looks to be in about 40 min.
Thats what I meant. Obviously not pitch black, but dark. Riders are apparently wearing special clothing that will glow in the dark.
@Baseball - Yeah, close to the North Pole ftw  A month ago it wasn't pitch black until about 10:30/11pm
Edited by valverde321 on 21-07-2013 19:53
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Posted on 21-07-2013 19:53
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ruben wrote:
Talansky is a better climber and has better 3rd week recovery. And in ITT he is worse, but not by much. Talansky is the bigger GT talent. Especially because he seems to get less worse in the 3rd week. Proven by yesterday
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Posted on 21-07-2013 19:53
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Haven't watched Kwiatek a lot, but can't seem to grasp what type of rider he is...
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 21-07-2013 19:57
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547984 wrote:
Haven't watched Kwiatek a lot, but can't seem to grasp what type of rider he is...
He can do practically everything. He has shown most potential towards hilly classics and stage races so far, but can also sprint and ride well on the cobbles.
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Posted on 21-07-2013 19:57
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547984 wrote:
Haven't watched Kwiatek a lot, but can't seem to grasp what type of rider he is...
He seems to be good at everything. He can climb, sprint, ride good TT's and he's even good on cobbles. |
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Posted on 21-07-2013 19:57
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Kwiatkowski is a jack-of-all-trades. He can sprint. ITT, climb and do well in hilly classics |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 21-07-2013 19:57
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547984 wrote:
Haven't watched Kwiatek a lot, but can't seem to grasp what type of rider he is...
He can do everything. Literally.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 21-07-2013 19:57
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Kirchen_75 wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
Bahrdk wrote:
Kwiatek is x2 better than fucking Andrew Talansky!
I'm sorry how many mountain stages did Kwiatek beat him on?
2 maybe?
Stage 8: Talansky
Stage 9: Kwiatkowski
Stage 15 Kwiatkowski
Stage 16: Talansky
Stage 18: By far Talansky
Stage 19: Talansky
Stage 20: Talansky
The only mtn stage with a large gain was Stage 9, where Garmin was blowing up the race for Dan Martin.
Edited by baseballlover312 on 21-07-2013 19:58
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| 547984 |
Posted on 21-07-2013 19:58
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Pellizotti2 wrote:
547984 wrote:
Haven't watched Kwiatek a lot, but can't seem to grasp what type of rider he is...
He can do practically everything. He has shown most potential towards hilly classics and stage races so far, but can also sprint and ride well on the cobbles.
So kind of like EBH?
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 21-07-2013 19:59
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547984 wrote:
Pellizotti2 wrote:
547984 wrote:
Haven't watched Kwiatek a lot, but can't seem to grasp what type of rider he is...
He can do practically everything. He has shown most potential towards hilly classics and stage races so far, but can also sprint and ride well on the cobbles.
So kind of like EBH?
Yep, but a better climber.
baseballlover312 wrote:
Stage 8: Talansky
Stage 9: Kwiatkowski by far
Stage 15 Kwiatkowski
Stage 16: Talansky
Stage 18: By far Talansky
Stage 19: Talansky
Stage 20: Talansky
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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 21-07-2013 19:59
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Kwiatek managed to follow Sagan and Cancellara at de Ronde after being in the break for 100 kilometres. I wonder if Talansky could do that?
P.S Im finished now this is the last Stage of TdF. I wanna enjoy it not argue with an american fanatical supporter of Talansky.
Edited by Kirchen_75 on 21-07-2013 20:00
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| issoisso |
Posted on 21-07-2013 20:00
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547984 wrote:
Pellizotti2 wrote:
547984 wrote:
Haven't watched Kwiatek a lot, but can't seem to grasp what type of rider he is...
He can do practically everything. He has shown most potential towards hilly classics and stage races so far, but can also sprint and ride well on the cobbles.
So kind of like EBH?
Hagen doesn't have the skill of riding Pavé, he only does decently there because of his huge engine. That's why Hayman has way worse numbers in testing but ends up ahead.
Kwiatek already has more skill at it despite inexperience.
Otherwise, Hagen can sprint much better, Kwiatek can climb much better and Hagen doesn't seem to have nearly as much margin for progression
Edited by issoisso on 21-07-2013 20:01
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 21-07-2013 20:01
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Pellizotti2 wrote:
547984 wrote:
Pellizotti2 wrote:
547984 wrote:
Haven't watched Kwiatek a lot, but can't seem to grasp what type of rider he is...
He can do practically everything. He has shown most potential towards hilly classics and stage races so far, but can also sprint and ride well on the cobbles.
So kind of like EBH?
Yep, but a better climber.
baseballlover312 wrote:
Stage 8: Talansky
Stage 9: Kwiatkowski by far
Stage 15 Kwiatkowski
Stage 16: Talansky
Stage 18: By far Talansky
Stage 19: Talansky
Stage 20: Talansky BY FAR
Because Garmin was blowing up the race for Dan Martin.
And with that then.
Edited by baseballlover312 on 21-07-2013 20:01
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| ruben |
Posted on 21-07-2013 20:01
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Kirchen_75 wrote:
Kwiatek managed to follow Sagan and Cancellara at de Ronde after being in the break for 100 kilometres. I wonder if Talansky could do that?
P.S Im finished now this is the last Stage of TdF. I wanna enjoy it not argue with an american fanatical supporter of Talansky. Probably not, but that is not the discussion.
If we're talking about a grand tour, and GT possibilities and potential,I rate Talansky higher. Not only a good climber and ITT, but also excellent recovery, certainly when compared to Kwiat |
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 21-07-2013 20:01
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baseballlover312 wrote:
Pellizotti2 wrote:
547984 wrote:
Pellizotti2 wrote:
547984 wrote:
Haven't watched Kwiatek a lot, but can't seem to grasp what type of rider he is...
He can do practically everything. He has shown most potential towards hilly classics and stage races so far, but can also sprint and ride well on the cobbles.
So kind of like EBH?
Yep, but a better climber.
baseballlover312 wrote:
Stage 8: Talansky
Stage 9: Kwiatkowski by far
Stage 15 Kwiatkowski
Stage 16: Talansky
Stage 18: By far Talansky
Stage 19: Talansky
Stage 20: Talansky
Because Garmin was blowing up the race for Dan Martin.
You can say that for every stage Cavendish won... Kwiatkowski was working hard for him there as well every single stage.
Edited by Alakagom on 21-07-2013 20:01
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| 547984 |
Posted on 21-07-2013 20:01
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Ah, I see, mainly I was judging from the stats in the PCM 2012 DB for Kwiatek...so I was (a little) shocked. 
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 21-07-2013 20:02
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Alakagom wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
Pellizotti2 wrote:
547984 wrote:
Pellizotti2 wrote:
547984 wrote:
Haven't watched Kwiatek a lot, but can't seem to grasp what type of rider he is...
He can do practically everything. He has shown most potential towards hilly classics and stage races so far, but can also sprint and ride well on the cobbles.
So kind of like EBH?
Yep, but a better climber.
baseballlover312 wrote:
Stage 8: Talansky
Stage 9: Kwiatkowski by far
Stage 15 Kwiatkowski
Stage 16: Talansky
Stage 18: By far Talansky
Stage 19: Talansky
Stage 20: Talansky
Because Garmin was blowing up the race for Dan Martin.
You can say that for every stage Cavendish won... Kwiatkowski was working hard for him there as well every single stage.
On a flat stage.
And Talansky recovered after a huge break.
Edited by baseballlover312 on 21-07-2013 20:03
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| issoisso |
Posted on 21-07-2013 20:02
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Why aren't you people comparing Talansky's 1st GrandTour with Kwiatkowski's current?
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 21-07-2013 20:03
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547984 wrote:
Ah, I see, mainly I was judging from the stats in the PCM 2012 DB for Kwiatek...so I was (a little) shocked.
Why don't you check CQ Rankings results rather than the outdated DB?
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