|
Vuelta al Tachira - Discussion Thread
|
| roturn |
Posted on 30-01-2013 13:38
|
Team Manager
Posts: 22246
Joined: 24-11-2007
PCM$: 3900.00
|
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Nice report, but what i feared since i started playing PCM 12 is happening. Mountain stages AI gameplay totally suck this year. 
Berard bringing five times all the attackers back like he was gaining marginal gains at Sky camp in the winter (Alakagom we know you are doing this somewhat). 
And finally group of 46 riders coming to the finish together? That sucks imo...as said many times in pcm 12:general section, this game cannot create significant time gaps on mountain stages, especially those finishing with short downhill.
This depends a lot on the climb I think. I don`t know the exact % of this climb but it doesn`t look too hard. On stages with higher slopes attackers will easier open gaps and even after a downhill section groups won`t come together that easy. |
| |
|
|
| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 30-01-2013 13:45
|
World Champion
Posts: 14236
Joined: 20-06-2011
PCM$: 300.00
|
roturn wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Nice report, but what i feared since i started playing PCM 12 is happening. Mountain stages AI gameplay totally suck this year.
Berard bringing five times all the attackers back like he was gaining marginal gains at Sky camp in the winter (Alakagom we know you are doing this somewhat).
And finally group of 46 riders coming to the finish together? That sucks imo...as said many times in pcm 12:general section, this game cannot create significant time gaps on mountain stages, especially those finishing with short downhill.
This depends a lot on the climb I think. I don`t know the exact % of this climb but it doesn`t look too hard. On stages with higher slopes attackers will easier open gaps and even after a downhill section groups won`t come together that easy.
Yeah, that is true, still 46 people peloton after the hard mountain stage is zillion light years away from at least a tiny bit of realism and 70mountain guys hanging on with 77+ mountain guys is not right for me, but there is nothing which can be done, mountain top finishes will do better hopefully.
|
| |
|
|
| Ad Bot |
Posted on 24-11-2024 06:43
|
Bot Agent
Posts: Countless
Joined: 23.11.09
|
|
| IP: None |
|
|
| CountArach |
Posted on 30-01-2013 14:08
|
Grand Tour Champion
Posts: 8290
Joined: 14-07-2008
PCM$: 200.00
|
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
roturn wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Nice report, but what i feared since i started playing PCM 12 is happening. Mountain stages AI gameplay totally suck this year.
Berard bringing five times all the attackers back like he was gaining marginal gains at Sky camp in the winter (Alakagom we know you are doing this somewhat).
And finally group of 46 riders coming to the finish together? That sucks imo...as said many times in pcm 12:general section, this game cannot create significant time gaps on mountain stages, especially those finishing with short downhill.
This depends a lot on the climb I think. I don`t know the exact % of this climb but it doesn`t look too hard. On stages with higher slopes attackers will easier open gaps and even after a downhill section groups won`t come together that easy.
Yeah, that is true, still 46 people peloton after the hard mountain stage is zillion light years away from at least a tiny bit of realism and 70mountain guys hanging on with 77+ mountain guys is not right for me, but there is nothing which can be done, mountain top finishes will do better hopefully.
They will...
|
| |
|
|
| DubbelDekker |
Posted on 30-01-2013 14:12
|
Small Tour Specialist
Posts: 2633
Joined: 20-04-2008
PCM$: 200.00
|
I actually think this was a pretty realistic result for stage 9. It just wasn't a very tough mountain stage.
The final climb was a cat 3 and a cat 2 climb together. I'd say combined they are an easy cat 1, with no steep parts and just 5% most of the time. Also, most of the peleton started this climb with fresh legs.
I think in such conditions it's not strange that the peloton can fly up the mountain at the same speed as a small group of favorites. And it's also not strange that some 70 mountain guys can hang on to it.
Steep parts or a second mountain would kill them.
Great win by Schelling!
Edited by DubbelDekker on 30-01-2013 14:12
|
| |
|
|
| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 30-01-2013 15:12
|
World Champion
Posts: 10121
Joined: 01-05-2010
PCM$: 200.00
|
That's awesome, Schelling! 
GC still doesn't look very bright, though. I'd like to see Dyachenko or Osella try a breakaway, since they clearly aren't strong enough to compete with the best.
|
| |
|
|
| Gustavovskiy |
Posted on 30-01-2013 15:49
|
Team Leader
Posts: 6036
Joined: 20-07-2008
PCM$: 200.00
|
Nice win by Cisco, this kinda repays them for Dyachenko's poor form. Berard's performance was incredibly good in this stage, it must be a relief for HTC to know they have such a valuable mountain domestique.
Nicácio keeps doing great, but I'm not raising my expectations too high for him.
Another great report Count, the mountain-top-finishing stages keep building more and more momentum. I can't wait.
|
| |
|
|
| Alakagom |
Posted on 30-01-2013 16:05
|
World Champion
Posts: 10891
Joined: 19-11-2010
PCM$: 200.00
|
Last few days it was Morton getting spotlight as the main domestique, and finally know Berard shows his skill.
Good to have the jersey before the two toughest stages and hope that Pellizotti can be dropped, too close to comfort right now.
|
| |
|
|
| Christer |
Posted on 30-01-2013 18:07
|
Protected Rider
Posts: 1414
Joined: 30-09-2007
PCM$: 200.00
|
Holy shit! That stage was exciting! Great report! Not too sad to drop the jersey, but I hope Pellizotti can regain it sometime.
|
| |
|
|
| FroomeDog99 |
Posted on 30-01-2013 18:10
|
Grand Tour Specialist
Posts: 4573
Joined: 07-10-2012
PCM$: 200.00
|
Hoping for Ndbri to improve on the steeper Mountains, but would be happy with him finishing 6th
Great reporting once again Count! |
| |
|
|
| Smowz |
Posted on 30-01-2013 19:26
|
Team Leader
Posts: 6479
Joined: 09-04-2009
PCM$: 200.00
|
Well set for the big mountain stage finale's, though the final hilly stage could also prove crucial as it did last year.
I like these slow burners, it's a bit of a faux bonification battle between Marquez and old timer Pellizotti. Though Pelli losing the leaders jersey is a bit of a blow for WWE I think. Looking forward to seeing how Bouygues and Hollister play the final stages along with the Kenya Airways climbers who are doing a fantastic job.
|
| |
|
|
| dev4ever |
Posted on 30-01-2013 20:07
|
Small Tour Specialist
Posts: 2282
Joined: 13-03-2011
PCM$: 200.00
|
Will be interesting to see if Salas can hold onto that top 15 in GC, that's the most i can hope for. 
|
| |
|
|
| Alakagom |
Posted on 30-01-2013 23:19
|
World Champion
Posts: 10891
Joined: 19-11-2010
PCM$: 200.00
|
Another good stage for Marquez. Would love a stage win on stage 11 being toughest stage, but really most important is opening bigger gap to Pellizotti before the unpredictable hilly circuit race at the end. So far so good though
Great report once again!
Edited by Alakagom on 30-01-2013 23:27
|
| |
|
|
| DubbelDekker |
Posted on 30-01-2013 23:38
|
Small Tour Specialist
Posts: 2633
Joined: 20-04-2008
PCM$: 200.00
|
Really enjoying this race. Good report again.
And cool to see attackers holding on successfully. Congrats to Seledkov and Bintang.
Marquez lands a first soft blow. But the fight between him and Pellizotti remains tense!
|
| |
|
|
| miggi133 |
Posted on 30-01-2013 23:46
|
Classics Specialist
Posts: 3141
Joined: 19-08-2009
PCM$: 200.00
|
Phew, Izagirre clinging on to 3rd in GC... Surprisingly strong showing by him so far... If this race is any indication for the rest of the season, then Im happy.
|
| |
|
|
| Gustavovskiy |
Posted on 30-01-2013 23:54
|
Team Leader
Posts: 6036
Joined: 20-07-2008
PCM$: 200.00
|
Whoa what a nice stage, very well reported once again Count! It's all to fight for in the last mountain stage. There are a lot of little margins between several top10 riders which will be very interesting to follow in the next stage.
And after Cisco's victory in the last stage, it is Bintang's time to collect their consolation prize with Seledkov's triumph. However the KoM is still anyone's game as are all the other minor classifications imo.
|
| |
|
|
| Christer |
Posted on 31-01-2013 00:14
|
Protected Rider
Posts: 1414
Joined: 30-09-2007
PCM$: 200.00
|
Another interesting stage. Hopefully, Pellizotti stays on Marquez' wheel or overtakes him on the upcoming stages.
|
| |
|
|
| jack888 |
Posted on 31-01-2013 01:16
|
Protected Rider
Posts: 1280
Joined: 09-06-2009
PCM$: 200.00
|
woo, go Ivan!
|
| |
|
|
| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 31-01-2013 06:41
|
World Champion
Posts: 10121
Joined: 01-05-2010
PCM$: 200.00
|
Great result by Galiev! Seledkov was always going to be too strong for him, so I'll gladly take this result. Really awesome to see my team on the attack every day.
|
| |
|
|
| Christer |
Posted on 31-01-2013 12:48
|
Protected Rider
Posts: 1414
Joined: 30-09-2007
PCM$: 200.00
|
It's in the darkest hours that light shines brightest.
Looks like the GC competition is over, but there's still a small chance. Hopefully it'll turn out for the better.
|
| |
|
|
| Bjartne |
Posted on 31-01-2013 12:51
|
Classics Specialist
Posts: 2907
Joined: 15-07-2007
PCM$: 300.00
|
Wow, really exciting to see so many sprinters in the grupetto doesn't reach the time limit. Gret report! |
| |
|
