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La Vuelta 2012 expectations
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 31-07-2012 12:19
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alex valceanu wrote:
For me Gesink aint a Talented rider anymore - he is a looser. Almost as big as Andy Schleck . No offence but I am right .
Voicing an opinion and claiming you're right, in all modesty. 
In my opinion I'm always right too, at least until I change my mind, but then I'm right again, it's just that I was wrong before, but that was before.  |
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| Bookie |
Posted on 31-07-2012 12:22
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Gesink needs to redeem himself.
For me, Mollema is a better rider, climber and GC contender than Gesink, until Robert proves otherwise.
De Gendt needs to show his third place was not a coincidence. Until he has done so or fails to do so, it's impossible to compare Gesink and De Gendt. |
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| MartijnVDD |
Posted on 31-07-2012 12:33
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I guess Bookie is right about the comparing part. Their careers are very different. Gesink got a professional contract earlier and focused on stage races from the start, while De Gendt got his professional contract a three years later and took some time to discover his talent for stage races. He was considered to be an all-rounder at first, now he's focusing on GTs only.
But for the upcoming Vuelta, I still think more highly of De Gendt and don't expect to see much of Gesink. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 31-07-2012 13:14
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It will depend on Gesink's ability to stay on his bike, and on De Gendt's ability to cope with two G.C. objectives in one season. Hard to say how it'll turn out. |
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| MartijnVDD |
Posted on 31-07-2012 22:59
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How do you guys rate Maxime Monfort? Top 10 again?
(EDIT: Yes, I'm Belgian. ^^)
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| Koener |
Posted on 31-07-2012 23:45
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rodriguez ANYONE ? it'a like they drew this race for him, mostly relativly short steep uphill finishes.
And the Spaniards are always remarkably better in their own country (Cobo en co )
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Posted on 01-08-2012 00:09
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I hope Uran and Henao wouln't work on Froome.
And we should see how Quintana would smash some asses.
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| Schleck96 |
Posted on 01-08-2012 00:25
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alex valceanu wrote:
For me Gesink aint a Talented rider anymore - he is a looser. Almost as big as Andy Schleck . No offence but I am right .
I'm sorry but comparing Gesink with Schleck hmmm poor Gesink imo. |
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| ruben |
Posted on 01-08-2012 00:43
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That;s a ridicolous comparison.
Gesink had unbelievable amounts of bad luck.
2010 - father died (right after winning Giro dell Emilia and Montreal)
2011 - fall in tour, broke leg in september (still managed to win Oman, and place 2nd in the Tirreno and 3rd in Basque country as well as 2nd in Quebec)
2012 - Recovered from broken leg with 1st in California and 4th in Suisse. Fell again in Tour
How is that for a loser? Losing your father, breaking your leg, crashing out twice in your season goal, but still managing top placings in WT races as Tirreno, Basque Country, Suisse, Quebec, Montreal and other races...
Yeah what a loser, sorry Alex Valceanu, but you sir are an idiot.
Andy Schleck had only 1 fall, and fucked up everything else himself by doing virtually nothing. 0 results. Completely unfair to compare Gesink to Andy |
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| Schleck96 |
Posted on 01-08-2012 00:50
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ruben wrote:
That;s a ridicolous comparison.
Gesink had unbelievable amounts of bad luck.
2010 - father died (right after winning Giro dell Emilia and Montreal)
2011 - fall in tour, broke leg in september (still managed to win Oman, and place 2nd in the Tirreno and 3rd in Basque country as well as 2nd in Quebec)
2012 - Recovered from broken leg with 1st in California and 4th in Suisse. Fell again in Tour
How is that for a loser? Losing your father, breaking your leg, crashing out twice in your season goal, but still managing top placings in WT races as Tirreno, Basque Country, Suisse, Quebec, Montreal and other races...
Yeah what a loser, sorry Alex Valceanu, but you sir are an idiot.
Andy Schleck had only 1 fall, and fucked up everything else himself by doing virtually nothing. 0 results. Completely unfair to compare Gesink to Andy
That's what I meant, but about the"doing virtually nothing", I mean WTF? Call me when you see Gesink doing an attack like Schleck on the Galibier's stage. And don't forget that in 2010 Schleck lost 39 seconds with the chain problem, which was the same deficit in the end of the Tour. And Schleck has a 2nd place in a Giro, 3 2nd places in Tours and 1 win in a LBL, a 3rd place in a LBL...But yeah Gesink hasn't been a lucky guy.
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| ruben |
Posted on 01-08-2012 00:55
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Andy does nothing all year, only Tour and Ardennes.. This year not even Ardennes...
Gesink tries his best every goddamn race. That's a cyclist.
Andy is a once-a-year rider. Ok, sorry, twice-a-year rider |
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| Schleck96 |
Posted on 01-08-2012 00:58
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ruben wrote:
Andy does nothing all year, only Tour and Ardennes.. This year not even Ardennes...
Gesink tries his best every goddamn race. That's a cyclist.
Andy is a once-a-year rider. Ok, sorry, twice-a-year rider
Pardon me sir, but "this year not even Ardennes" ? That's being a good guy, this year he didn't make a single piece of shit.... -.-"
Edited by Schleck96 on 01-08-2012 01:03
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 01-08-2012 06:07
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Koener wrote:
rodriguez ANYONE ? it'a like they drew this race for him, mostly relativly short steep uphill finishes.
And the Spaniards are always remarkably better in their own country (Cobo en co )
I think this is the best possible chance for J-Rod to win a GT, same with Anton, but with Alberto there, i have a clear favourite (well Kreuziger is my favourite, but that is a secret ).
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 01-08-2012 06:11
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ruben wrote:
That;s a ridicolous comparison.
Gesink had unbelievable amounts of bad luck.
2010 - father died (right after winning Giro dell Emilia and Montreal)
2011 - fall in tour, broke leg in september (still managed to win Oman, and place 2nd in the Tirreno and 3rd in Basque country as well as 2nd in Quebec)
2012 - Recovered from broken leg with 1st in California and 4th in Suisse. Fell again in Tour
How is that for a loser? Losing your father, breaking your leg, crashing out twice in your season goal, but still managing top placings in WT races as Tirreno, Basque Country, Suisse, Quebec, Montreal and other races...
Yeah what a loser, sorry Alex Valceanu, but you sir are an idiot.
Andy Schleck had only 1 fall, and fucked up everything else himself by doing virtually nothing. 0 results. Completely unfair to compare Gesink to Andy
Sorry, but when you are proffesional bike rider and fall again and again, it is a bit looser-looking. I wish Gesink only the best, he is my favourite rider, but this guy is lost on the bike. I hope it gets better in the next years, but now it is fail,fail,fail for him.
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| Ybodonk |
Posted on 01-08-2012 08:42
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Schleck96 wrote:
ruben wrote:
That;s a ridicolous comparison.
Gesink had unbelievable amounts of bad luck.
2010 - father died (right after winning Giro dell Emilia and Montreal)
2011 - fall in tour, broke leg in september (still managed to win Oman, and place 2nd in the Tirreno and 3rd in Basque country as well as 2nd in Quebec)
2012 - Recovered from broken leg with 1st in California and 4th in Suisse. Fell again in Tour
How is that for a loser? Losing your father, breaking your leg, crashing out twice in your season goal, but still managing top placings in WT races as Tirreno, Basque Country, Suisse, Quebec, Montreal and other races...
Yeah what a loser, sorry Alex Valceanu, but you sir are an idiot.
Andy Schleck had only 1 fall, and fucked up everything else himself by doing virtually nothing. 0 results. Completely unfair to compare Gesink to Andy
That's what I meant, but about the"doing virtually nothing", I mean WTF? Call me when you see Gesink doing an attack like Schleck on the Galibier's stage. And don't forget that in 2010 Schleck lost 39 seconds with the chain problem, which was the same deficit in the end of the Tour. And Schleck has a 2nd place in a Giro, 3 2nd places in Tours and 1 win in a LBL, a 3rd place in a LBL...But yeah Gesink hasn't been a lucky guy.
God i got so pissed that i need to answer this post.
You are such a Schleck fanboy...
First of all, yeah he lost 39 seconds in that stage and yes it was the difference in the Tour. HOWEVER A. Contador crashed 2 or 3 times during the first week. He lost alone 2min on the cobbles, where Cancellara did ride with FULL sped, i DO REPEAT everyone KNEW Contador crashed and was behind and THEY DID RIDE WITH FULL SPEED. He lost approx. 2min.
Stop being blind. This is a typical Schleck hypocrit fanboy post.
Furthermore for everyone saying De Gendt is better than Gesink, i gotta laugh my ass of. Im really suprised by how much of low intellectual post been made here.
De Gendt have had ONE good GC (mainly because of a breakaway and with very weak competition) omg. Are you guys really watching cycling at all ?
Gesink have been so unlucky that its retarded to state anything else.
Gesink at his best is one of the best climbers in the world. Top 8 or something like that.
You guys should CALL ME if De Gendt ever gets half og the results Gesink already have achieved :
2007
1st Young Rider Classification, Tour of California
1st Stage 4, Tour of Belgium
2nd Overall, Tour de Pologne
5th Overall, Deutschland Tour
1st Young Rider Classification
2008
4th Overall, Paris–Nice
1st Young Rider Classification
4th La Flèche Wallonne
4th Overall, Critérium du Dauphiné Libéré
7th Overall, Vuelta a España
9th Overall, Tour of California
1st Stage 3
1st Young Rider Classification
10th Road Race World Championships
10th Olympic Road Race
10th Olympic Time Trial
2009
1st Giro dell'Emilia
3rd Amstel Gold Race
4th Overall, Critérium du Dauphiné Libéré
2nd Stage 7
6th Overall, Vuelta a España
6th Giro di Lombardia
7th Overall, Vuelta al PaÃs Vasco
8th Overall, Tour of California
1st Youth Classification
2010
1st Giro dell'Emilia
1st Grand Prix Cycliste de Montréal
3rd Grand Prix Cycliste de Québec
5th Overall, Tirreno–Adriatico
1st Youth Classification, Tirreno–Adriatico
5th Overall, Tour de Suisse
1st, Stage 6
6th Overall, Tour de France
2nd Youth Classification, Tour de France
7th Clásica de San Sebastián
8th Overall, Tour Méditerranéen
8th Overall, Vuelta al Pais Vasco
2011
1st Red jersey Overall Tour of Oman
Young Rider Classification
1st Stage 4
1st Stage 5 (ITT)
2nd Overall, Tirreno–Adriatico
1st Stage 1 (TTT)
1st Youth Classification, Tirreno–Adriatico
2nd Grand Prix Cycliste de Québec
3rd Overall, Tour of the Basque Country
2012
1st Jersey yellow.svg Overall Tour of California
1st Stage 7
4th Overall, Tour de Suisse
6th, National Championship, Road Race |
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| Bookie |
Posted on 01-08-2012 09:00
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For someone calling other people low on intellect, you seem to miss the point that up until the Giro, De Gendt has never aimed for the general classification of any race. On top, he has only been riding for a pro-Tour team since 2011.
It's way too early to compare the two riders.
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| MartijnVDD |
Posted on 01-08-2012 10:23
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As I said, De Gendt used to be an all-rounder. Then he rode the 2011 TDF and figured he should focus more on stage races. Next GT he gets 3rd place. I don't care if the competition was weak. The competition in a Giro is never weaker than the competition in a Tour of California.
Plus, we're not discussing careers, we're discussing the upcoming Vuelta. |
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| Ybodonk |
Posted on 01-08-2012 10:26
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The point is you guys are like :" Oh De Gendt is better than Gesink, because he got third in a Giro" . So by your logic and by what most people did write in this thread that 3th place surpasses everything Gesink have achieved earlier.
Sorry to say, but in strong competition De Gendt is not going to finish in top 10.
The conclusive part is that many have dissed Gesink and hyped De Gendt up to something he aint.
Im not a fan of either of them, im mainly remaining objective. |
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| litllemagnum |
Posted on 01-08-2012 10:52
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Ybodonk wrote:
The point is you guys are like :" Oh De Gendt is better than Gesink, because he got third in a Giro" . So by your logic and by what most people did write in this thread that 3th place surpasses everything Gesink have achieved earlier.
Sorry to say, but in strong competition De Gendt is not going to finish in top 10.
The conclusive part is that many have dissed Gesink and hyped De Gendt up to something he aint.
Im not a fan of either of them, im mainly remaining objective.
i agree with you about Gesink being better but to say De Gendt isn't capable of finishing top 10 is retarded. De Gendt started focusing on GT's this year. He has room for improvement so he definitely has the potential to ride top 10 at the very least.
Pozzato sucks!
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 01-08-2012 10:55
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De Gendt will weigh 3 kilo's less at the start of the Vuelta compared to the start of the Giro. We will have to await what influence this has on his performance..
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