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| ianrussell |
Posted on 12-07-2012 14:04
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baseballlover312 wrote:
 Why didn't he just eat it? He was injectiong himself with sugar water! hahahahaha
Sounds totally bizarre. Maybe they knew more but that's all they could prove. Who knows...wtf |
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 12-07-2012 14:06
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More here https://www.reuters.com/article/2012/0...MU20120712 |
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 12-07-2012 14:06
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Are diabetic riders allowed use needles? Because I know they need to inject insulin.
And injecting makes the effects come a lot quicker I believe.
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| the_hoyle |
Posted on 12-07-2012 14:07
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valverde321 wrote:
Are diabetic riders allowed use needles? Because I know they need to inject insulin.
And injecting makes the effects come a lot quicker I believe.
Isn't test team type 1 a team made up of only diabetic riders? surely they must have to inject themselves...
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 12-07-2012 14:09
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the_hoyle wrote:
valverde321 wrote:
Are diabetic riders allowed use needles? Because I know they need to inject insulin.
And injecting makes the effects come a lot quicker I believe.
Isn't test team type 1 a team made up of only diabetic riders? surely they must have to inject themselves...
Yes, details here https://www.velonation.com/News/ID/836...etics.aspx |
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| CountArach |
Posted on 12-07-2012 14:12
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the_hoyle wrote:
valverde321 wrote:
Are diabetic riders allowed use needles? Because I know they need to inject insulin.
And injecting makes the effects come a lot quicker I believe.
Isn't test team type 1 a team made up of only diabetic riders? surely they must have to inject themselves...
Not only diabetics, but they include several. Most of their riders are not diabetic.
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 12-07-2012 14:17
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Not all Diabetics need to inject insulin 
Type one diabetics do, hence the team name Team Type 1 
Type 2 diabetics are controlled by tablets and diet |
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| Spronx |
Posted on 13-07-2012 09:43
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https://www.cyclin...trong-case
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 13-07-2012 11:34
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"Conspiracy". He named it.
From a legal viewpoint, I don't know how much an agency can sanction a rider for facts that started prior to its existence, went on while it wasn't the sanctioning body, and kept going on once it had become the relevant agency. But surely, even if it appeared they couldn't sanction Armstrong for facts prior to his 2009 come back, there's still enough evidence to condemn him for what he's done since then (extremely suspicious blood samples). |
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 13-07-2012 13:21
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Wiggins (Skys?) more coherrent response to all the doping questions https://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/...dope-drugs |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 13-07-2012 14:35
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Bradley Wiggins: I can never dope because it would cost me everything
This is classic. I think I have heard this at least 10 times..before and after positive doping test. And this is also one of the favorite fans argument...why they favorite rider ever wont dope |
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| Levi4life |
Posted on 13-07-2012 18:02
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Aquarius wrote:
"Conspiracy". He named it.
From a legal viewpoint, I don't know how much an agency can sanction a rider for facts that started prior to its existence, went on while it wasn't the sanctioning body, and kept going on once it had become the relevant agency. But surely, even if it appeared they couldn't sanction Armstrong for facts prior to his 2009 come back, there's still enough evidence to condemn him for what he's done since then (extremely suspicious blood samples).
The letter from the congressman was posted by a journalist on facebook, and in the comment strain a woman from the congressman's district noted that she had sent a letter voicing her concerns about USADA during the Landis prosecution. The congressman responded by saying that it wasn't his problem.
So why does Sensenbrenner care in this case? Who knows, but Trek's headquarters just happen to be in his district.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 13-07-2012 18:18
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Looking at the published values of Armstrong's 38 blood tests from 2008 onwards, two conclusions spring to mind:
- All the people saying he had to have taken a blood bag to do that well in Flanders that year were dead on the money. Big blood values spike
- The UCI is just as corrupt as expected. With blood values all over the place like these they didn't try to ban him? Ridiculous
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| issoisso |
Posted on 13-07-2012 18:24
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I'm beginning to see a pattern
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| samdiatmh |
Posted on 13-07-2012 20:30
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issoisso wrote:
I'm beginning to see a pattern
you missed the one at 38, 0.9
though how does this compare to a cleaner rider over a similar period (Evans)? |
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| felix_29 |
Posted on 13-07-2012 20:58
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EPO = supresses the creation of reticulocytes.
So Armstrong takes EPO, too many mature blood cells are created and the number of reticulocytes drops down while the haematocrit.
He claims his high altitude training caused the higher haematocrit. But then the number of reticuloytes would not have dropped because the body can balance the concentrations of still developing and mature blood cells.
At least that´s what i think, but my knowlege might not be good enough i might be completely wrong.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 13-07-2012 21:07
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I find it hard to interpret, without arrows connecting the dots chronologically.
What are normal fluctuations for reticulocytes ?
What is certain though, is that having values all over the place, especially with high, average and low values of reticulocytes, indicates a certain blood manipulation. |
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| I_Mayo |
Posted on 13-07-2012 21:27
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It's funny how it creates sentence "I eat" and there are red cells all over the place. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 13-07-2012 22:42
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Since nobody got the joke:
Those are only his 2008-2009 blood values, not the entire thing. The joke is that the black lines aren't part of the graph, they were drawn over the graph
to spell the words "I CHEAT"
EDIT:
The actual values the case is built on
https://docs.goog...&pli=1
Edited by issoisso on 13-07-2012 22:46
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 13-07-2012 23:06
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issoisso wrote:
Since nobody got the joke:
Those are only his 2008-2009 blood values, not the entire thing. The joke is that the black lines aren't part of the graph, they were drawn over the graph
to spell the words "I CHEAT"
EDIT:
The actual values the case is built on
https://docs.goog...&pli=1
I can't believe that nobody got the joke |
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