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Posted on 23-11-2024 22:47
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| fenian_1234 |
Posted on 28-01-2011 22:19
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I'd agree with SotD on this one.
If the promotion spots are Top 4, then that's really what the goal is for.
Having said that, if I was about to finish 9th and was going to get promoted and I had a promotion goal, I'd be pushing the other way.  |
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Posted on 28-01-2011 22:27
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I'd be feeling god damn lucky for the PT spot and nothing else hehe 
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Posted on 28-01-2011 22:54
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Top 4 it is then
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Posted on 28-01-2011 23:12
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So should I promote, I will have failed in my goal to promote.
 [url=www.pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=33182] Team Santander Media Thread[/url]
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| p3druh |
Posted on 28-01-2011 23:24
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No. Should you promote merely because you were given the slot left open by another team, you fail your goal to be in a promoting spot immediately after the end of the last race of the season.
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Posted on 28-01-2011 23:49
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Well, the goal didn't say be in a promotion spot, it just said promote. When reading the goals I actually thought the point of it was that we didn't know how many teams would go up, however anyone who did should be rewarded.
That said, I can deal with the fact that everyone who wouldn't gain from my interpretation disagrees with me, although I think the situation should be clarified in next years goals.
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Posted on 28-01-2011 23:57
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Imo you can see it like this... You haven't reached your goal if you aren't one of the 3 promoters when the season end. That you get a spot from La Gazzetta or so is for now just speculation, and a gift for being the best placed of the rest. Well something like that anyway...
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Posted on 29-01-2011 00:09
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SotD wrote:
Imo you can see it like this... You haven't reached your goal if you aren't one of the 3 promoters when the season end. That you get a spot from La Gazzetta or so is for now just speculation, and a gift for being the best placed of the rest. Well something like that anyway...
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You can see mb's argument though. At the end of the day, he still promoted. Are you going to claim he failed to promote, if he will be in the PT next season.
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Posted on 29-01-2011 00:17
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If he is not among the 4 promoters then yes. Then he is given a spot, as a bonus for being the best of the rest. That isn't what I call a promotion, but I can easily understand him, as it will give him a disadvantage in the moneyaspect, but come on. I really don't believe that anyone taking the promotion goal expected to finish 11th in the CT... And if they were to finish there, they most certainly didn't believe that the goal would be achieved. It's a mixture of all sort of things that give those teams a chance to promote... You might aswell give the last spot to the best of the relegaters in the PT. If they have a avoid relegation goal, but only survives because La Gazzetta is thrown down, they haven't reached their goal either imo. They are being granted a bonus, nothing else...
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Posted on 29-01-2011 00:23
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Just to clarify a couple of things:
- All teams, even with inactive managers, will ride their full complement of races
- The 3 PT teams ending in the relgation zone will go down. Even if 6/7 Conti teams end up going up because of teams disbanding.
Im trying and failing to remember what my view on promotion/positioning was at season start - but nobody asked then, of course.
The likely scenario is that Promotion Goal = Top 4 in CT though. Although Top 5 if 100% Me are in the Top 4, as it has always been a given that 100% me cannot promote.
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Posted on 29-01-2011 00:29
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Well it's not my decision to make, and it doesn't matter much to me, but I have given my share on the problem, and it seems that a couple of guys do agree with me on that one. But in the end it's up to you to make the decision, so perhaps it would be best to wait until you heard some more people? I guess it will be devided though into people not in promotionbattle saying that it is goal failed, and people in promotionbattle saying that it is goal achieved.
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Posted on 29-01-2011 00:30
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Something to think about more when the season ends 
I have a few new ideas goal/budget wise that Ill experiment with then.
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| Smowz |
Posted on 29-01-2011 06:03
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'Some people are born to be great and others have greatness thrust upon them'
Promotion = Top four CT teams 'born into greatness'
eg. IKEA
Advancement = High placing but below top 4, given the chance to join the Protour by invitation 'greatness thrust upon them'
eg. Taking IKEA's promotion spot.
With me I am biased though Red Bull have a top 10 in CTour goal for which is worth less points than the promotion goal under the same category.
To clarify I feel it should be top 4 teams (minus 100% Me if you must) = promotion goal. The other 'promoted' teams have achieved 'advancement by invitation'.
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 29-01-2011 11:32
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The promotion goal was clearly Top 4 in my mind, inclusive of 100%ME. You must finish in the Top 4 to promote, regardless of the usual people-not-turning-up syndrome that happens every season. Regardless of the fact that 100% ME can't promote. You have to beat the best teams to get the best reward. If you can't get into the Top 4, if no teams left, or were disbanded, you would have failed in your goal. As it is, teams may disband from above you (in both CT and PT) and you may be blessed with gaining a PT spot, that doesn't mean you won promotion. It means the UCI deemed it necessary to have at least a certain number of teams in the top league.
It's like the same feeling Pereiro and Schleck (A) will get from winning the Tour by the guy who beat them being disqualified. It's not really a win because they didn't beat the guy in front of them.
Or, if we're being pedantic, I claim that I will WIN the Conti Tour if IKEA are disbanded, because technically I will have. I'll be the top CT team to be promoted. Therefore I won the Conti Tour. Or even if I came 3rd behind 100% ME I could claim that. |
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| Kami |
Posted on 29-01-2011 12:23
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Well, the way i look at it: inactive managers don't rly deserve to be in the game (which is my opinion). They do keep taking points away from other teams. If these teams with inactive managers wouldn't be there to start with, other teams would score different from races and be higher in the rankings anyways.
But tbh, don't rly care that much about the goal. Like someone said, i'll be happy enough to promote without achieving the goal .
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| Heine |
Posted on 29-01-2011 12:32
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For once I agree with SotD  That dosen't happen too often I belive :-p So thats my opinion, even though it prolly dosen't matter ;-) SN is our great overlord, his word is law *bows*
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Posted on 29-01-2011 13:10
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well, I didn´t expect such kind of discussion after my innocent question
I can see 2 different scenarios, how to deal with it
1) strict one - to achieve promotion goal, you must be placed in TOP4 at the end of season...and as well, you must finished up to 10th or 15th place, no matter how many inactive teams are above yours, achieving this mandatory goal
2) benevolent one - clear example: team A with that promotion goal will finish on 7th place, behind 2 inactive teams (let´s say IKEA and Petronas) and 100% Me...by this way, team A will achieve his goal and win promotion to PT
but we have team B, with TOP15 goal, who will finish on 19th place...if we use the same logic, there are IKEA, Petronas and 100% Me plus another inactive team finishing on 12th place...by this way, team B achieved his goal as well
regarding to unique case of 100% Me team, from my point of view they can achieve their placing goal by same way as others (except of "real promotion bonus" of course)
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from point of view of my team, I´d definitely prefer second way (I have TOP10 goal and finishing within TOP14 with 3 inactive teams + 100% Me is possible)
but in fact, I am for that strict way...at the very beginning of the season, all managers were still active, filled all files, necessary for smooth running of Man-Game and I don´t see any reason, why several (!!!) active teams should profit from disbanding of inactive teams
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 29-01-2011 13:10
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My 2 cents would be that if you promote this season then you fulfil that goal but it will need to be clarified for next season - 'Finish in Promotion Position' |
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| fenian_1234 |
Posted on 29-01-2011 13:16
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For me, the top 4 teams promote - therefore that's what you need to achieve your goal. It seems most agree with that.
If some of the teams finishing Top 4 are then disbanded the teams that finish below them are 'invited' to take their place in the PT. As rjc says it's not really being 'promoted'.
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 29-01-2011 16:49
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We could always ignore the disbanding teams rule, promote just the top 4 teams (excluding 100% ME, so in other words 3 teams promote) and then allow every one else to apply to go up to the Pro Tour to fill whatever spots are available, like we did when Waghlon got put up there. That'd stop this argument, and shoot you all in the faces for being unhappy with just being promoted. Greed is the downfall of man, and you're showing classic symptoms of it. |
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