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| Aquarius |
Posted on 27-07-2012 21:57
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Zabel'ed...
Anyway, even more riders of those mentioned on the previous page have been caught since then.
Vino, Kash, Mayo, etc. and I didn't know about Leipheimer former positive EPO test back then, etc.
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| solano |
Posted on 27-07-2012 23:25
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How much is allowed for natural human progression? What I mean is, over time people have been running faster, jumping highrer and further, throwing further, lifting more and so on.
So how much would we expect to see in progression since, for example, the age of Hinault and LeMond? (I am assuming here, from what's been said, that we are saying that between leMond in 1990 and Evans in 2011 that it's likely that there were no clean winners.) |
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| cilldroichid |
Posted on 28-07-2012 00:18
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solano wrote:
(I am assuming here, from what's been said, that we are saying that between leMond in 1990 and Evans in 2011 that it's likely that there were no clean winners.)
It might be safer to assume there has never been a 'clean' winner of the TdF. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 28-07-2012 07:36
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solano wrote:
How much is allowed for natural human progression? What I mean is, over time people have been running faster, jumping highrer and further, throwing further, lifting more and so on.
So how much would we expect to see in progression since, for example, the age of Hinault and LeMond? (I am assuming here, from what's been said, that we are saying that between leMond in 1990 and Evans in 2011 that it's likely that there were no clean winners.)
Human potential over a decade or two (or three) ? Almost negligible.
Evolution through training ? A few %. Not a dozen or two.
Plus, it must be recalled that the likes of LeMond struggled to do 390 every once in a while. It wasn't their common playing ground. |
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| felix_29 |
Posted on 28-07-2012 09:34
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solano wrote:
How much is allowed for natural human progression? What I mean is, over time people have been running faster, jumping highrer and further, throwing further, lifting more and so on.
So how much would we expect to see in progression since, for example, the age of Hinault and LeMond? (I am assuming here, from what's been said, that we are saying that between leMond in 1990 and Evans in 2011 that it's likely that there were no clean winners.)
Cadel "i visited Ferrari for training plans" Evans a possible clean Tour winner?
It´s sad, but i think Le Mond was the last winner who wasn´t on something.
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| GreenEDGEFan |
Posted on 28-07-2012 12:20
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felix_29 wrote:
solano wrote:
How much is allowed for natural human progression? What I mean is, over time people have been running faster, jumping highrer and further, throwing further, lifting more and so on.
So how much would we expect to see in progression since, for example, the age of Hinault and LeMond? (I am assuming here, from what's been said, that we are saying that between leMond in 1990 and Evans in 2011 that it's likely that there were no clean winners.)
Cadel "i visited Ferrari for training plans" Evans a possible clean Tour winner?
It´s sad, but i think Le Mond was the last winner who wasn´t on something.
Sastre/Perero. Ullrich in 97 probably wasn't either.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 28-07-2012 12:24
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GreenEDGEFan wrote:
felix_29 wrote:
solano wrote:
How much is allowed for natural human progression? What I mean is, over time people have been running faster, jumping highrer and further, throwing further, lifting more and so on.
So how much would we expect to see in progression since, for example, the age of Hinault and LeMond? (I am assuming here, from what's been said, that we are saying that between leMond in 1990 and Evans in 2011 that it's likely that there were no clean winners.)
Cadel "i visited Ferrari for training plans" Evans a possible clean Tour winner?
It´s sad, but i think Le Mond was the last winner who wasn´t on something.
Sastre/Perero. Ullrich in 97 probably wasn't either.
lolololol Sastre ok, I think he's had more luck than anything to not to be ever related to any doping scandal, but I can accept it. But Pereiro and Ullrich? No freaking way man.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 28-07-2012 12:29
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Sastre ? No way. Check my quotes on the previous page, then check for his TDF 2008 (especially Alpe d'Huez) performances. No way that guy was clean.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 28-07-2012 12:32
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That's what I meant. His performances (and let's not kid ourselves, the teams he's ridden for) point that he's not clean, but he's the one Tour winner of the 2000s that has never been named in any doping scandal/tested positive, etc. So, if anyone wants to believe in unicorns, I'm fine with Sastre, but to believe Pereiro/Ullrich were clean is too much.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 28-07-2012 12:34
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"If you look back at what happened and still can't put two and two together, then you are beyond my help" - Jan Ullrich
The preceding post is ISSO 9001 certified
"I love him, I think he's great. He's transformed the sport in so many ways. Every person in cycling has benefitted from Lance Armstrong, perhaps not financially but in some sense" - Bradley Wiggins on Lance Armstrong
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 28-07-2012 12:35
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I agree about Ullrich, but it seems Pereiro's dog wasn't named Urko in the end.
Was there anything else against him ? |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 28-07-2012 12:37
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Besides that Landis said both were discussing their doping programs while they were in the peloton and that he tested positive and conveniently got a backdated TUE?
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| hyenen2 |
Posted on 28-07-2012 21:26
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Interesting info on C.A.Sørensen 2. place in TDF on stage 16.
you can see hes power output's, cadence's, speed's etc
https://www.traini...ZYDQSPG4TA
article and links for stage 16. 17. 18. 19. all about C.A.Sørensen performence in those days
https://velonews.c...our_231551
Edited by hyenen2 on 28-07-2012 21:32
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 28-07-2012 21:33
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Nothing surprising nor irregular there. Oops, two minutes left on my laptop. Bye Daily.
RIP Exxon Duke, David Veilleux, Double Feature, and Monster Energy |
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| Schleck96 |
Posted on 31-07-2012 13:52
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Looking back all these years I don't find 1 clearly clean rider until Riis... (Indurain's time never got my attention  ) |
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 01-08-2012 16:06
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After finishing the time - trial, both Wiggins and Martin looked quite dead, especially the last one. Meanwhile, Froome looks like he has just went out for a ride...
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| sam1196 |
Posted on 01-08-2012 16:07
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maybe froome once again had orders 
VINO VINO VINO VINO VINO VINO VINO VINO VINO
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| Schleck96 |
Posted on 01-08-2012 16:09
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alexkr00 wrote:
After finishing the time - trial, both Wiggins and Martin looked quite dead, especially the last one. Meanwhile, Froome looks like he has just went out for a ride...
Not in my TV.... |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 01-08-2012 16:10
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Unlike Armstrong in 2004, the fact that samples are kept for 8 years after the Olympics didn't prevent Sky boys from participating. Let's just hope time will tell if there was something to tell.
Wiggins has been technically perfect today, it's just surprising that he doesn't look tired. But Froome third with a bad position, bad trajectories, etc. and not even looking tired either ?
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 01-08-2012 16:11
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Schleck96 wrote:
alexkr00 wrote:
After finishing the time - trial, both Wiggins and Martin looked quite dead, especially the last one. Meanwhile, Froome looks like he has just went out for a ride...
Not in my TV....
He didn't look as tired as Martin, but not as fresh as Froome. 
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