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| Nin1388 |
Posted on 07-09-2014 05:01
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This is the 1st time this year we have seen Contador crack. Of course when Astana and Nibali went flat out on cobbles, we did see Contador suffer, but on mountains may be 1st time. Even on 2nd stage of Criterium Dauphine, when Froome held him on ropes, he managed to stay with him till finish.
Will be interesting to see what Contador does, does he follow Valverde or stay with Froome from this mountain stage onwards.
On the other hand we can expect rain today/tomorrow/last week, something which Froome and sky are not a big fan of. |
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| Strydz |
Posted on 07-09-2014 06:39
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Kalach wrote:
Can someone explain me how that power meter which is Froome using works? What are advantages of using that power meter? Why only SKY is using that? Other teams cannot or dont want or what? Thanks for explanation 
Every team uses power meters in races, the only difference is that some riders don't just stare down at there stems, watch closely enough and you will see other riders including Contador, Purito, Valverde looking at there power outputs, speed, cadence and heartrates. The advantage of using a power meter is that you should know from training rides what power output you can sustain over a given time which should give you a guide on what you can sustain in a attack in a race. The riders have been using these types of things for years.
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| Nin1388 |
Posted on 07-09-2014 09:38
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Saw repeat of yesterday's stage. Aru was incredible. He also did same thing like Froome. Did not go with attack. Showing a lot of maturity and has good chance of finishing high up after his Giro podium in a tougher Vuelta field. At one point he managed to even pace Contador and Purito.
He has chance of becoming GT winner in future. Hopefully Astana will take him to Giro next year as leader maybe. Instead of Brajkovic or Kangert who never deliver on promise. But I think if Nibali is there then he will have to be 2nd fiddle to him again. |
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| Kritzo |
Posted on 07-09-2014 10:07
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Nin1388 wrote:
He has chance of becoming GT winner in future. Hopefully Astana will take him to Giro next year as leader maybe. Instead of Brajkovic or Kangert who never deliver on promise. But I think if Nibali is there then he will have to be 2nd fiddle to him again.
I don't think Aru will be Astanas Giro captain, as Nibali already have said that he is going for the Giro-Tour combo in 2015.
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| Anderis |
Posted on 07-09-2014 10:43
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I don't really get this "riding like Froome is killing cycling" agenda. I really enjoy his style and I tend to enjoy stage races more since the day Froome has become a factor in them. I honestly pity you if you don't.
At least I know Sky will always try to blow up the peloton as long as they're strong enough to do it and I consider it really spectacular most of the time. Much more than everyone looking at each other and doing nothing as it often happens in the races when Froome is not a factor.
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| Nin1388 |
Posted on 07-09-2014 10:51
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Kritzo wrote:
Nin1388 wrote:
He has chance of becoming GT winner in future. Hopefully Astana will take him to Giro next year as leader maybe. Instead of Brajkovic or Kangert who never deliver on promise. But I think if Nibali is there then he will have to be 2nd fiddle to him again.
I don't think Aru will be Astanas Giro captain, as Nibali already have said that he is going for the Giro-Tour combo in 2015.
I know, that's what I'm saying.
At Giro we know Nibali has good chance of winning. Beating old Purito, Uran, Majka. I don't see any good GC contenders going to Giro.
Nibali should give a another chance at TdF win and win in presence of people like Quintana/Froome/Contador. By doing Giro he will be giving reasons for his loss a TDF.
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| Smoku |
Posted on 07-09-2014 11:08
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Anderis wrote:
I don't really get this "riding like Froome is killing cycling" agenda. I really enjoy his style and I tend to enjoy stage races more since the day Froome has become a factor in them. I honestly pity you if you don't.
At least I know Sky will always try to blow up the peloton as long as they're strong enough to do it and I consider it really spectacular most of the time. Much more than everyone looking at each other and doing nothing as it often happens in the races when Froome is not a factor.
Some people will like it. Some will say it's ugly as buck. You don't have to understand. De gustibus non disputandum est. |
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 07-09-2014 11:09
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Anderis wrote:
I don't really get this "riding like Froome is killing cycling" agenda. I really enjoy his style and I tend to enjoy stage races more since the day Froome has become a factor in them. I honestly pity you if you don't.
At least I know Sky will always try to blow up the peloton as long as they're strong enough to do it and I consider it really spectacular most of the time. Much more than everyone looking at each other and doing nothing as it often happens in the races when Froome is not a factor.
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So basically you don't care about tactics at all and would prefer it if all mountain stages were MTTs?
Part of the beauty of the sport is the intricate tactics and wide variety of situations it can throw up. The excitement that builds before a key moment in the race: who's going to roll the die first? Who's going to respond? Who are we going to see going mano a mano up the climb instead of hiding behind a train? Sky have sought to completely rid this aspect from the sport and turn it, arguably, from an 'art' into a 'science'. Looking at a power meter rather than reacting to the situation is not spectacular, it's just dull and takes all the excitement out of the action.
I prefer Froome to Wiggins, because of his mutant accelerations that offer themselves to ridicule, and these do animate the race (albeit in terms of leaving everyone behind), but I would take Contador or Quintana anyday. If you watch Contador on the lower slopes of the climbs for example, he is looking around him to see where everyone else is, how they appear to be faring, the level of pain their facial expressions, and you can see him trying to gauge the best moment to attack, the moment when there's a lull, the moment when someone appears to be struggling a bit, the moment when the gradient kicks up. Surely this is more interesting than watching a procession?
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| Smoku |
Posted on 07-09-2014 11:10
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 07-09-2014 11:22
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I guess it's a good thing Froome isn't here to entertain, but is here to deliver results for his team. Same for Contador, Quintana, Purito, Nibali, Evans, Sanchez etc etc etc
If you want explosivity and action from stat to finish i suggest CX, MTB, BMX, Downhill and Track.
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| deek12345 |
Posted on 07-09-2014 11:36
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wtf eurosport not showing today's stage ,there showing tour of Britain instead zzzzzz |
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 07-09-2014 11:57
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TheManxMissile wrote:
I guess it's a good thing Froome isn't here to entertain, but is here to deliver results for his team. Same for Contador, Quintana, Purito, Nibali, Evans, Sanchez etc etc etc
If you want explosivity and action from stat to finish i suggest CX, MTB, BMX, Downhill and Track.
Actually, he kinda is. The sport's financial viability is down to its entertainment factor so [although it's unlikely that his riding style will make any tangible difference] if the riders don't entertain, there isn't a professional sport. Anyhow, we watch the sport for entertainment and a lot of the riders you named are more entertaining, one of multiple reasons why I like them more than Froome.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 07-09-2014 12:29
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Froome is here to race for Sky. Sky gets most exposure when Froome wins. Froome wins by reading his power meter. Ergo Froome is here to win.
Granted some teams need more entertaining riders because not everyone can win. And other riders attack because its their best chance of beating Froome.
But saying you don't like Froome because of his style is ridiculous Imo. Might as well say you don't like Cavs because he looks different when he sprints. The era of romantic cycling is, unfortunately, long gone and the scientific approach is only going to become more common place.
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| Smoku |
Posted on 07-09-2014 12:37
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TheManxMissile wrote:
Froome is here to race for Sky. Sky gets most exposure when Froome wins. Froome wins by reading his power meter. Ergo Froome is here to win.
Granted some teams need more entertaining riders because not everyone can win. And other riders attack because its their best chance of beating Froome.
But saying you don't like Froome because of his style is ridiculous Imo. Might as well say you don't like Cavs because he looks different when he sprints. The era of romantic cycling is, unfortunately, long gone and the scientific approach is only going to become more common place.
So what you're basically saying is that Froome is the only one who wants to, knows how to and can win. And if anyone else is winning is because he let them or had a bad day
One thing is discussing riding styles and your preferences towards the sport. Another thing is making statements that provoke facepalms and selficebucketchallenges.
Winning has nothing to with style. And scientific approach has nothing to do with mindless computing.
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 07-09-2014 12:38
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Actually, winning has alot to do with riding style. Depends on the type of the stage, of course.
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 07-09-2014 12:39
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sport
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an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment.
If it's not entertaining in any way there's not much point in calling it a sport 
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 07-09-2014 12:54
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Why is it wrong to dislike a rider due to his style (whether it's Froome looking down on his power meter, Mollema riding like a halfdead fish or Chris Anker who seems to suffer going 35 kph on flat)? How riders look definitely contributes to my conception of riders. Its not like its everything, but its definitely an important part for me. Also, admir, I dont know why, but you consistently point out something is stupid and wrong when your opinion differs, fx. when you just said its plain stupid to dislike/hate a rider due to his style. A rider's style is definitely not everything, but I think many people disliked Evans due to his rather defensive style. Same goes with Froome and his style. Theres absolutely nothing wrong with that in my point of view.
I dont like watching Froome and I definitely dont like him as a rider or a person (he comes across like a dick to me + he more or less seems to be a human experiment, at least to me..), but I'll have to agree with Anderis on the part when Froome is 100%. He may seem boring, but I definitely enjoyed the 2013 TdF due to Sky putting people on the limit on in the mountains and nullified the tactical nonsense we sometimes see on mountain stages. |
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 07-09-2014 13:09
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Well, do you even know what HATING someone means? How can you HATE someone that is riding the best he can (smart) and on the way that suits him the best? That is absolute bullshit and totally wrong, in my honest opinion. It's same like hating a footballer for the way he runs. No one should ever be hated for riding style. After all, how is Froome's riding style not likeable? You do not like to see someone drop and then come back, someone that brings some action in this sport? What do you like, Contador jumping on his bike whole mountain and no one being able to catch him or Valverde not being able to accelerate for shit?
And as I said million times already, if you hate or dislike some part of cycling ("boring stages" few days ago, "wheelsucking", "hating someone's style" and things like that ), just do not watch it.
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| TimoCycling |
Posted on 07-09-2014 13:12
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@Admir: I kind of agree with Froome, but I do hate the fact that he's always checking his meter and he ofcourse looks nothing like aerodynamical, BUT I don't really mind that. I like it when a rider seems to be suffering, rather than Quintana sitting there like a statue. |
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| TimoCycling |
Posted on 07-09-2014 13:17
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Roux out due to a crash. Mondory and Landa also fell but are back in the peloton.
FDJ down to just 4(!) riders... |
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