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| Luis Leon Sanchez |
Posted on 12-10-2013 21:40
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I understand your views.
Firstly. I am also religious but not fully. I believe in science over religion cause acience has much more evidence and facts to back it up. I believe the Big Bang did happen and that millions of years ago dinosaurs roamed the earth and that we evolved from Primeates. And some factors of religion are difficult to believe unless Dynamo was around back then.
The problems with religion is when you have extremeist, eg Muslims,that kill others people that dont believe in their religion.
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| 547984 |
Posted on 12-10-2013 21:46
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To be honest, I don't believe in religion, but I don't consider myself an Atheist either. I believe Atheists have strong feelings towards the impossiblity of God, and do too much to try to prove facts in their own way. I, on another hand, believe it isn't really in the role of society today to find out about what you can't find out. So, short story short, it just doesn't really matter to me.
First, there is no reason to believe that humans are the supreme form of living, but only a supplemental part of an infintely large society. Birth of any human or anything is by chance, and what we do as a society, if viewed as a greater being, is largely the same, with the possiblility to change small actions with thought.
I actually support religion, it motivates people and guides people to do right things. A lot of people want to devote to something greater, some "force" of good. But for me, it's just too much to handle. What is, IS. What isn't, IS NOT. It's just not worth the time to know everything, and it's better to be ignorant about stuff like this.
The only real hope I have is that once someone dies, they die, no such thing as consciousness. Dead. Nothing. Really, people take life too seriously. Religion for me, is, something I want to avoid, because it's too time consuming and in the end doesn't get anything done.
Edited by 547984 on 12-10-2013 21:49
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| Luis Leon Sanchez |
Posted on 12-10-2013 21:51
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Im interested as to what appens when you die. I reckon that you will live again as another person or an animal and forget life before hand or do you just go into an everlasting sleep?
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 12-10-2013 21:55
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547984 wrote:
To be honest, I don't believe in religion, but I don't consider myself an Atheist either. I believe Atheists have strong feelings towards the impossiblity of God, and do too much to try to prove facts in their own way. I, on another hand, believe it isn't really in the role of society today to find out about what you can't find out. So, short story short, it just doesn't really matter to me.
First, there is no reason to believe that humans are the supreme form of living, but only a supplemental part of an infintely large society. Birth of any human or anything is by chance, and what we do as a society, if viewed as a greater being, is largely the same, with the possiblility to change small actions with thought.
I actually support religion, it motivates people and guides people to do right things. A lot of people want to devote to something greater, some "force" of good. But for me, it's just too much to handle. What is, IS. What isn't, IS NOT. It's just not worth the time to know everything, and it's better to be ignorant about stuff like this.
The only real hope I have is that once someone dies, they die, no such thing as consciousness. Dead. Nothing. Really, people take life too seriously. Religion for me, is, something I want to avoid, because it's too time consuming and in the end doesn't get anything done.
If ignorance is bliss for you, than so be it.
But I feel that if you elieve in nothing after life, then shouldn't you take the only thing that is you seriously? After all, you only live once.
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| Luis Leon Sanchez |
Posted on 12-10-2013 21:57
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| Atlantius |
Posted on 12-10-2013 22:16
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Luis Leon Sanchez wrote:
The problems with religion is when you have extremeist, eg Muslims,that kill others people that dont believe in their religion. ... or Ku Klux Klan, or the Catholic Church for centuries or Ancient Rome or...
Can we please discuss religion without making it to a discussion about Islam? Christianity has plenty of examples just as bad as the extreme muslims (perhaps even more). Extremists of every religion or ideology tend to take things to a level where thy should not be taken.
I am not religious anymore. I used to be as a child, but then I ended up in a bible-quiz show on a small local radio station (!). So I read most of the bible to prepare and ended up concluding that it lacked consistency and included to many excuses for not treating people with another word for god fairly.
I am not religious because for me the religious explanations doesn't make sense. People can believe what they want, but I find it a massive problem when religion takes up the battle with scientific facts. When (some) American schools teaches "Intelligent design" on the same or higher level than evolution.
Fair enough if people decide to fill our gaps in knowledge with gods, but God should never be an excuse to dismiss new (or old) knowledge.
And not only that, but how everything on Earth just works so perfectly.
I dare say everything on earth does not work perfectly. That's why there have always been species getting extinct. The dodo didn't work so it disappeared. The Panda is a carnivore that for some reason decided to start only eating bambus and now it's disappearing etc.
Most things work because the things that doesn't work simply vanish...
And perhaps even more important pretty much every case I have seen of strong believers have made them worse people than others because there is a very short way from believing to condemning everyone who believe something else. On top of that many religious communities have taken away the joy of childhood by basically making children believe it is a sin to have fun (so much for heavenly Father).
I do not need a God to tell me not to kill people. In my opinion we should teach our children to treat other people nicely and with respect because it gives a better and more peaceful world. A world where people work together for the common good in stead of killing each other for having a different word for the same thing. God has been made obsolete by education
But I feel that if you elieve in nothing after life, then shouldn't you take the only thing that is you seriously? After all, you only live once.
Exactly. We only live once so e should make the most of this life in stead of living crappy lives expecting everlasting joy in the afterlife. I did not see 547984 argue otherwise?
We should teach our children basic humanity.
That no one is born better than others. Be it black or white born in Bangladesh or Hollywood.
Religion has throughout history as I seen it been the major factor inhibiting these thoughts. The Bible (and the Quran probably, I don't know that as well) can be used to say that Women are not equal to men, it has been used to defend slavery, waging war against hethens and is currently being used to say that love is wrong if it's not between a man and a woman.
Scientists have throughout history been prosecuted and books have been burned for simply stating facts. I can't help wonder where we would have been today had the European invasions of the middle east and South America not burned the libraries along the way. Only recently have we been able to make a calendar with the same accuracy as the Mayans. What if we had learned from them in stead of burning their books?
This ended up as quite a long rant - longer than I intended when I started. I will go to bed soon, so please don't take offend if I'm not answering until sometime tomorrow.
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| Luis Leon Sanchez |
Posted on 12-10-2013 22:22
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Atlantius. Im not dissing Islam. I was sing them as an example.
Look back at the Middle Ages in like 1400 whn christians raped, pillaged and murdered Jews, Muslims and other christians.
Im saying its a general problem in religion not just with one religion.
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| Atlantius |
Posted on 12-10-2013 22:28
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Luis Leon Sanchez wrote:
Atlantius. Im not dissing Islam. I was sing them as an example.
Look back at the Middle Ages in like 1400 whn christians raped, pillaged and murdered Jews, Muslims and other christians.
Im saying its a general problem in religion not just with one religion.
I know. I have just developed an extremely low tolerance for this.
The Far Right is thriving in Denmark at the moment and I believe a big part of their success is always finding muslims/Islam to use as bad examples.
Usually it's even more fitting just to say religious extremists.
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| 547984 |
Posted on 12-10-2013 22:28
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@bbl: I don't believe in nothing after life, I only hope that. I believe that not much could be changed even if we knew everything. And when I say people take life too seriously, I mean that the concept of religion, in the end, can't yield anything conclusive towards either side, so it accounts for too much of people's live than it should be.
And yes, I agree, using Islam as a symbol of hate and extremity has become really annoying, to say the least.
Edited by 547984 on 12-10-2013 22:30
baseballlover312, 06-03-14 : "Nuke Moscow...Don't worry Russia, we've got plenty of love to go around your cities"
Sarah Palin, 08-03-14 (CPAC, on Russian aggression) : "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke"
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| Luis Leon Sanchez |
Posted on 12-10-2013 22:34
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I apologise for my example. No one can really say anything ahout life after life ause nobody actually knows.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 12-10-2013 22:35
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And Atlantius I really don't think you looked into what I was saying. I was not talking about the bible or religion in that sense.
And I'm not talking about endangered species or that. I was talking about how there happen to be elements existing, and that they just happens to make things that made Earth able to contain life forms which are also things made out of things that exist.
And like I said before,I don't think you actually looked into what I said. You took it realistically and only for what it is as humans always do. And maybe that's partly my fault because I couldn't explain it well because I really don't understand it either, and you can't read my raw thoughts.
But if I truly on live on this Earth and I am just an animal because they exist because they just do, then I at least want to figure it out myself.
And I don't know how that is possible. I get a headache just thinking about it. I doubt that other people haven't thought about this before, but it just literally blows my mind. My human brain just can't process it all. it's overwhelming. But I feel like I have to go deeper into this all for myself. I am not content just living like that. Ignorance may be bliss for you on this, but not for me.
So I don't know what is going on with myself right now or what a myself is but okay now I don't know what I'm saying.
At least now that I have this written down somewhere I can go play some PCM to clear my head for the time being. 
Edited by baseballlover312 on 12-10-2013 22:36
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| Luis Leon Sanchez |
Posted on 12-10-2013 22:39
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Baseballlover. A very breif explanation on what you find so overwhelming? Thanks
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| 547984 |
Posted on 12-10-2013 23:45
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While we're on the subject of endangered species, do you think humans have an obligation to protect endangered species that are disappearing in their natural environment? (not affected by humans)
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 12-10-2013 23:52
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Nope. If we're equal to animals than we have no reason or obligation to protect them.
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 12-10-2013 23:54
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baseballlover312 wrote:
Adam and Eve may have not happened but there is the blatant fact that existence is a thing. What is isness, huh? Everything just is according to Atheists but what is existence anyone. No way there is nothing more. People say believers are small minded but I swear it's the other way around. And not only that, but how everything on Earth just works so perfectly.
Why can't everything just be? I don't see why people have a problem with this, even if they can't visualise it. Religionists are happy to believe that their gods can exist outside of time creating everything with ultimate power.
I don't really want to get into the main crux of a religious argument as it's been done to death but that is one point that I'd like to see from the other side. |
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 12-10-2013 23:56
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wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
Adam and Eve may have not happened but there is the blatant fact that existence is a thing. What is isness, huh? Everything just is according to Atheists but what is existence anyone. No way there is nothing more. People say believers are small minded but I swear it's the other way around. And not only that, but how everything on Earth just works so perfectly.
Why can't everything just be? I don't see why people have a problem with this, even if they can't visualise it. Religionists are happy to believe that their gods can exist outside of time creating everything with ultimate power.
I don't really want to get into the main crux of a religious argument as it's been done to death but that is one point that I'd like to see from the other side.
That's the thing. i don't believe that there is just a God that created Earth. I find both explanations pretty close minded.
I can't just except that thing are. Just the kind of person I am I guess.
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| Luis Leon Sanchez |
Posted on 13-10-2013 02:20
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547984 wrote:
While we're on the subject of endangered species, do you think humans have an obligation to protect endangered species that are disappearing in their natural environment? (not affected by humans)
Please give an example of something that necame endangered without human intervention or human existence.
As far as I know most if not allpecies became endangered because of humans.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 13-10-2013 02:28
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Luis Leon Sanchez wrote:
547984 wrote:
While we're on the subject of endangered species, do you think humans have an obligation to protect endangered species that are disappearing in their natural environment? (not affected by humans)
Please give an example of something that necame endangered without human intervention or human existence.
As far as I know most if not allpecies became endangered because of humans.
Every single species that became extinct throughout evolution lol.
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| Luis Leon Sanchez |
Posted on 13-10-2013 02:32
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Ever since human existence most if not all creatures extinctions and endangera have been cause of humans. Moas, Haast Eagles, Tasmanian Tigers, Tigers, Other African Creatures, sea cretures, etc. I will explain if you want.
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| 547984 |
Posted on 13-10-2013 03:09
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Scratch that. It's a stupid question, humans are animals too...
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