Selwink wrote:
They have also threatened not to buy our tulips anymore as well! Oh, and a threat by Zhirinovski (populist) to break the windows of the Dutch embassy in Russia. How childish do you want it?!
edit: I also feel that the drugs on Arctic Sunrise might have to do with the diplomatic case, as the boat was under a Dutch flag.
Nice to see Russia having a consistent policy atleast.
About two years ago Norway got into a quarrel with Russia because one of their trawlers where caught illegaly fishing within the Norwegian border and the Coast Guard arrested them and brought the ship into the nearest harbour.
Suddenly, out of the blue, Russia claims Norwegian salmon is infested with bacteria, stops importing it and advices all other countries to do the same. And to top it of, Lavrov, the foreign minister of Russia, suddenly has to cancel a meeting with someone in Norway, a meeting that had been planned 6 months ahead.
There's a fine line between "psychotherapist" and "psycho the rapist"
On the subject of Russia, I think our government should just say:
"We admire Russia's efforts in respecting international treaties. That, along with the fact that Putin has been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize by an absolutely independent agency with no political agenda, shows that Russia is a strong proponent and defender of human rights. We have full respect and belief in Russia."
"We will therefore replace all our own immune diplomats in Russia by homosexuals dressed in pink suits with rainbows".
On the subject of gypsies in France: they are a tourist's nightmare. They once ganged up on me and my girlfriend while we were visiting Paris, and tried to snatch our wallets while blocking us from exiting the lift at the Montmartre stairs. Same in Avignon, they approach you with an excuse to sign their petition, just to get in your personal space and pickpocket you. You should have them all deported.
ShortsNL wrote:
You should have them all deported.
Did you just manage to post a (fair) criticism about Russia's Human Rights violations, then ask for a Stalin style mass deportation of a whole ethnicity? (I'm hoping you'll come and say this was a joke)
Oh yeah, I read about that in Gulf monarchies. I thought that was so ridiculous it had to be a joke à la The Onion, but it is not...
About deporting gypsies, leaving the abject aspect aside, allright, let's kick them to the other side of the border. What happens there ? Not our problem. That's the kind of things I could hear, listening or speaking with compatriots. That hardly makes sense when speaking with foreigners. Where should we send them and what would happen there ?
All of Western European society should refuse entry and deport to their home country (which is usually Bulgaria), those gypsies that came to the developed countries in Europe and have engaged in criminal or illegal actions.
The Schengen Treaty is great and all, and I don't have any problem with people coming here looking for work. But for criminal organizations, it's a blessing. For the record, Bulgaria is currently not part of the Schengen Area, but aspiring to be one.
The pickpockets are a full-fledged organized crime syndicate. The money the pickpockets make is sent back to Bulgaria. Ross Kemp on Gangs, season 4 episode 2 is a great insight in the organization that goes into these Roma pickpocketing gangs.
In my opinion, once you are found to be part of an international criminal organization, you should lose your right to travel freely within the Schengen Area, and be deported back to your home country.
Edited by ShortsNL on 10-10-2013 12:49
If you take away the word gypsy (that is, if you favor the extradition back to their home countries of those who are found to be part of a criminal organization, regardless of ethnicity, which is what I believe you mean) then I fully agree with you.
kumazan wrote:
If you take away the word gypsy (that is, if you favor the extradition back to their home countries of those who are found to be part of a criminal organization, regardless of ethnicity, which is what I believe you mean) then I fully agree with you.
It's just when you seem to say that all gypsies should be deported that questions must be asked.
The recent election here in Norway was won by a coalition consiting of four parties (The Conservatives, The Liberals, The Conservative Liberals and the Christian Democrats). The Conservatives and the Conservative Liberals will make up the government, whilst the Liberals and the Christian Democrats will not be part of it, but they've promised to back it.
There are several major changes between them an the socialist democrat-government we've had for the last 8 year, but I'll focus on one issue that's gotten a lot of airtime here in the media.
The two parties that didn't join the government did get some of their major issues through, one of them was the Christian Democrats wish to make a reform regarding the school subject on religion and ethics. This will be the 4 reform in 16 years!
A while back it was known as KRL (Christianity, religion & Life Stance) however the European Court of Human Rights voted that it was too focused on christianity. Therefor it changed its name to RLE (Religion, Life Stance & Ethics).
The mentioned reform from the CD, if implemented, will change the name of the subject to KRLE (Christianity, religion, life stance & ethics). They have also decided that the subject will have a minimum of 55% focus on christianity, the other 45% will deal with all the other religions, ethics and general world views.
Many people, myself included, are up in arms about this. Thanks to these nimwits whose only electoral basis comes from the Bibel Belt (the coastline stretching from Southern to South-West Norway) the Norwegian education system is set back 30 years, if not more!
They even went as far as to argue that "Norway was based on Christian values" (my arse if we are!) and "to be properly integrated, foreing children must learn why, for example, certain proverbs such as "A Uriah-task" (my translation) have a christian backstory".
There's a fine line between "psychotherapist" and "psycho the rapist"
kumazan wrote:
If you take away the word gypsy (that is, if you favor the extradition back to their home countries of those who are found to be part of a criminal organization, regardless of ethnicity, which is what I believe you mean) then I fully agree with you.
I do believe this of course should go for a person any ethnicity who is part of a criminal organization.
However, I also do have the perception that a whole lot of aforementioned criminal behaviour exists within in the European gyspy community. Someone who is better informed might find this biased, I can't tell to what extent I am right or not.
ShortsNL wrote:
However, I also do have the perception that a whole lot of aforementioned criminal behaviour exists within in the European gyspy community. Someone who is better informed might find this biased, I can't tell to what extent I am right or not.
Perhaps, although I guess this is common amongst marginalized minorities. The problem is not, in my opinion, the gypsy community, but the fact that most of them live in a marginal situation, where criminal organizations have it easier to spread their influence and recruit people.
Well, here in Czech Republic,the gypsies are not in majority in any criminal organisations and still they produce more than a half of criminal offenses and 65% of jailed people are gypsies (when they are 5% minority). But of course it has the connection with social exclusion and poverty, bad living conditions and so.
We need total overlook and overhaul of the problem,.But not by force, as some mental neonazis suggest (sadly more and more "normal" people are saying things like "gas the gypsies).
We need rational solutions, we need more of their children in schools. But we also need same rules for everyone, or "white" majority will get pretty pissed soon. One of the things that pisses them most, is that gypsy ladies usually have like 6-8 children and whole family is living from social benefits, while unemployed people from majority are in much bigger problems,even when they want to work.
The problem is unbeliveably complex and hard to solve.
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
We need rational solutions, we need more of their children in schools. But we also need same rules for everyone, or "white" majority will get pretty pissed soon. One of the things that pisses them most, is that gypsy ladies usually have like 6-8 children and whole family is living from social benefits, while unemployed people from majority are in much bigger problems,even when they want to work.
The problem is unbeliveably complex and hard to solve.
The problem is socialism in whole Europe, gypsy people come to the countries where they get home for free, healthcare for free etc, and another problem is that YOU pay for all of this because of course nothing is for free, and gypsies prefer stealing or living on social benefits over getting a job. You say that you need them in school, but why? You really think that people in your country should pay for their school? Is it right? I don't think so. The only way to get it right is when they have a job and pay for all their needs and also accept the culture of the country they're in.
Abusive generalization : check
Conspiracy by the poor against the rich : check
The minority lives at our expense : check
The minority refuses our culture : check
No obvious reflection between poverty and stealing : check
Edited by Aquarius on 11-10-2013 06:52
Well, schools are free here for everyone (and mandatory till age of 15), so what i meant was we need them in schools rather than on the streets stealing and fighting. It also helps them to assimilate better since childhood and earn some values that nobody will teach them at home. Educated gypsy is better than illiterate gypsy...
But yeah, we tax payers pay for their laziness,that is not good and after socialists will win the elections in Czech Republic (in two weeks we have exceptional elections), it will get even worse.
That is main reason for unhapiness and dangerous agressive attitude against them. But last thing i want are brown shirt sturm abteilungs under my windows, gypsies are still much better than bald nazi impotents.
We need strict rules that everyone will follow, not socialist give what we dont even have style of goverment, unfortunately majority of people here are too focused on own profit and situation, so they listen to blatant lies, that will only kill our economy, see southern Europe states as the waring!
But what is the most disturbing thing in Czech Republic going now? It seems that socialist and *drum roll*..communists will have together over 50% of seats, while socialist are obviously thinking about coalition with them.
Are you fucking kidding me, are people so stupid??? Frigging communists, not even 25 years after their regime ended, they still have same name,almost same program and around 15% of public votes.
Of course some people want them back. They have no job, they dont understand modern world and they need someone to take care about every aspect of their lives. Shortened,they are brainless sheeps. They will throw their freedom out of the window, happy to be shepherded.
I am laughing hard, when i read their program, sometimes i rather cry. These bastards still have social classes fight in their program!!! They say there will be job for everyone, everything free, everything belonging to the state...no thanks, i think 50years of red stupidity was enough.
Edited by Avin Wargunnson on 11-10-2013 07:00
We've got some of those too, nothing close to a majority.
I don't know if it's a win-win or lose-lose deal, but if you want we might trade them for some that are a bit the same from an economical viewpoint : the front national.
They claim about anything you'd expect from a populist far-right party.
Leaving the euro zone, and most likely the EU too, stopping mass immigration (surely it's a few dozen of millions per year ?), and putting the focus on security. That alone will stop unemployment, bring economical growth back, and everything will be fine again, and South, erm France will rise again (and rule the world ?).
Leaving aside, here again, the disgusting aspects, it's not like there'd be a chance in hell it would ever work and wouldn't turn into a total disaster...
Yet, they're going to become the party with the most voting electors at the next elections. Not the one with the most support though, as it's all relative, most electors of traditional parties don't bother to vote any more, so the relative part of those nationalists keeps increasing.
To stop that (unless it makes them even more important), other parties put the focus on those subjects, even though they're not majors ones, trying to steal their ideas. It gives something close to zero results, so it looks to naive people like the only solution is to put in charge people with real balls...
To illustrate what I'm talking about : the front national has been bragging about insecurity for ever since I can remember. Trying to steal their electors the conservatives have started talking about it, making it a serious problem. So, we've elected conservatives who'd always go further and be harsher against insecurity. More imprisonments, more immigrants being flight back, more cops, etc. Result ? It seems insecurity has still slightly increased. And front national rises again.
Maybe we should put them in charge so that people would realise how useless and inefficient they are ? That'd be a very dangerous game...
Fortunately, we don't have a big communist movement here. We've got Wilders though. I think it tells enough he was mentioned in Breivik's manifest nearly every page (at least, that's what I heard).
I know that starting a religous war but I need to speak about this.
Not many people believe in a God anymore or anything like that, and I always have.It's the way I was raised. Perhaps that was close minded but it made sense as a kid.
Recently I have been thinking that maybe I was wrong, but then I thought, how was the world made?
Now people say the Big Bang, but then I think, how? When people picture the big bang, they picture a speck in darkness. But no. The theory says that this was the only thing existing. But yet, how? How was there nothingness? How can humans understand that in it's reality.
How did everything just happen for no reason. In fact, how do reasons even be?
Adam and Eve may have not happened but there is the blatant fact that existence is a thing. What is isness, huh? Everything just is according to Atheists but what is existence anyone. No way there is nothing more. People say believers are small minded but I swear it's the other way around. And not only that, but how everything on Earth just works so perfectly.
Maybe I have turned away from clear cut organized religion, because how can people know that much. And I don't have much understanding of anything. If there is a God, or something like it, as I do believe, what is it really or anything? No way of knowing.
But no matter how much I think about everything I can't conceive that everything just is because it is and that's how it is.
Feel free to comment. I know this will spawn hate but this has been on my mind, and is very hard to put into words, so I wanted to put it out there.
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