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PCM.daily DB Stats discussion
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| Cossack |
Posted on 02-05-2014 20:50
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I think there is a parameter called "uphill sprint" for each stage which defines what proportions of SP/HI are used for a finish, I think that at least AGR may have SP important, but stagemakers should know that.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 02-05-2014 21:10
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Okay, so I got the stat update. Looks pretty good.
WHY IS CONTADOR 82 MTN?
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| Dippofix |
Posted on 02-05-2014 21:12
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baseballlover312 wrote:
Okay, so I got the stat update. Looks pretty good.
WHY IS CONTADOR 82 MTN?
Just a very wild guess, but Tirreno, Catalunya and Pais Vasco seem likely to be the reason. 
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 02-05-2014 21:13
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Worthy enough this season. His back up stats are weaker than others top GC contenders, as we didn't see him in a GT yet.
Edited by Alakagom on 02-05-2014 21:13
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 02-05-2014 21:13
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It was a hard decision, but as you can see, his backup stats are quite crap, which will make sure Quintana and Froome will outclimb him 95% of the time 
Edit:
Statmaker's Zabel
Edited by Jesleyh on 02-05-2014 21:13
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 02-05-2014 21:13
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Dippofix wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
Okay, so I got the stat update. Looks pretty good.
WHY IS CONTADOR 82 MTN?
Just a very wild guess, but Tirreno, Catalunya and Pais Vasco seem likely to be the reason.
To be 2nd best in the DB. IMO 80 or 81 would have been fine but you don't do that without a GT results to prove it in that year. He'll win a GT in every career for sure now.
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 02-05-2014 21:14
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No, he won't. His ACC and REC will get him in real trouble in GTs. STA doesn't help either.
Edited by Jesleyh on 02-05-2014 21:15
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 02-05-2014 21:17
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Fair enough, but I'm definitely editing him to 81 in my DB.
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 02-05-2014 21:18
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That's fine, feel free to do so.
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| Cossack |
Posted on 03-05-2014 21:41
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Where can I find the stat update? Can't see it anywhere.
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 03-05-2014 21:47
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Download section.
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| Silvio Herklotz |
Posted on 04-05-2014 14:19
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Guys, you made a mistake.
Look at my name, now look at the DB, back to my name, now back to the DB.
The Weekly News said you also edited some CT-riders, fine.
But whoever decided that Silvio Herklotz should be a puncheur that won't develop much further in mountains but will get about 80 HIL or so, that guy should explain himself to me, please 
I would be satisfied if somebody could tell me how to change that potential please Is it just the maximum columns in DYN_cyclist?
Edited by Silvio Herklotz on 04-05-2014 14:20
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 04-05-2014 14:22
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Hi.
Yes, I think he'll develop more into a puncher than a climber. Or maybe more relevant, that he's more of a puncher than a climber atm, so that's what I made from him. He has proven himself much more often in hilly terrains than in mountainous terrains. Only proved he can climb in the Alsace stage(which had a slight downhill as well, favouring Silvio). Not enough to make him a pure climber for me.
Plus, you should know that the limits are a bit random. He doesn't always get 80HI and ~71MO. He will get 79MO & 81HI sometimes as well, for example(or quite a bit lower than that, of course).
We can only decide what speciality thr game gives him by the stats we give him, and so we can influence what he develops in a bit.
Edit:
You can edit just the limits yes, if you are in career. Be aware that the limit changes per career though, they are f.e. different in the next career. They are generated by game, not by us
Edited by Jesleyh on 04-05-2014 14:25
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| Silvio Herklotz |
Posted on 04-05-2014 16:39
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Ah ok, so the fact that he has slightly more HIL makes him a puncheur for PCM, so he will develop further as one? Didn't know that. I knew that the limits are a bit random but I thought you were setting them as kind of a range.
That was no offense to you at all I was just bothered that sometimes PCM generated his MO-abilities so low he would not even reach 73 or so. But now that I know, it is not your fault...
I still think he is kinda more a climber. You f.e. missed out on his Top10 in U23 WC and I think that one favoured climbers much over puncheurs. But however, I can understand your decision, just couldn't understand his limits
EDIT: Just for understanding. He has 69 MO and 70 HI, which is not much of a difference. If you had changed both, he would certainly develop into a high class climber? If I got this right, then Cyanide is pretty dumb..
Edited by Silvio Herklotz on 04-05-2014 16:41
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 04-05-2014 17:02
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No offense taken
U23 WC would probably weigh both MO & HI about the same. No idea though, but HI would definitely count.
And yes, that edit is true indeed, though it's a bit random.
Edited by Jesleyh on 04-05-2014 17:06
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 04-05-2014 17:06
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You would increase the chances of becoming a climber over a puncher, but no guarantees wither way. I was just looking in my new career to see what Herklotz would become, 80MO 77HL, from his current starting point... So yeah, take that as you please...
(also Adam Yates was 79HL 77MO and Simon Yates was to become a sprinter :roll
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| cio93 |
Posted on 04-05-2014 17:32
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Indeed Herklotz dewerves slightly better hill than mo atm, which translates into a puncheur classification and puncheur stat limits. DB makers have to take results into account first before guessing development, as much as I'd love to have him as a future GT rider in everyone's career.
Plus the WC definitely favoured puncheurs, otherwise Ewan is a genius (or simply lightweight, yeah).
I'm anxiously awaiting Rhone Alpes Isère, Valle d'Aosta, Alsace and Avenir to finally evaluate his climber potential. Eschborn-Frankfurt showed he can translate his U23 hill perfomances to the bigger races already.
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 04-05-2014 18:16
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Quick question concerning the ACC stat. I know this affects how quickly a rider can accelerate up a climb or make an attack in general, but does this affect a rider in a bunch sprint on the flat as I noticed most sprinters have a high ACC stat? |
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 04-05-2014 18:17
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Yes. It affect how quickly a rider can accelerate in a sprint as well
@Cio I know you'd pop in sooner or later
Edited by Jesleyh on 04-05-2014 18:17
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 04-05-2014 18:24
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Just wondering, are you actively monitoring the RES stat already for when (if?) it get fixed in PCM14?
And what if they change ACC back to the red bar, or they make a change to some other stat, does that mean you have to go all over the database again?
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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