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PCM.daily DB Stats discussion
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 28-04-2014 15:54
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Cossack wrote:
RES isn't working in PCM 2013 anyway, maybe you meant STA 
No REC 
82 Gilbert (low MO, low REC and 85 ACC)
81 RodrÃguez, Martin
80 Valverde, Kwiatkowski
Edited by Arberg27 on 28-04-2014 15:58
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| Cossack |
Posted on 28-04-2014 17:26
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No way it could look like this, Gilbert would easily win all the 3 classics with such stats in-game.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 28-04-2014 17:29
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Recovery doesnt make a difference in classics. Gilbert would dominate.
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 28-04-2014 17:32
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Exactly. Gilbert hasn't done enough to prove he's that strong. It's not like MO makes a huge difference in Fleche and LBL, I suppose.
He's on the shared highest ACC of the DB now, and 80HI. He has a huge chance to win AGR.
Not sure why you are underrating Valv so much, btw. He was definitely the strongest of the Ardennes classics this year.
Edited by Jesleyh on 28-04-2014 17:32
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| Aleakez |
Posted on 28-04-2014 18:13
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i feel at least Martin should be 80 he has shown how consitent he is, and probably downgrade Joaquim down one in Hil, Vanendert deserves at least upping his Hil by one, for Gilbert im not sure he deserves an upgrade at all.. more curious what people think of Arredondo, Slagter and Arashiro??
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 28-04-2014 18:15
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I don't think it's fair to downgrade Purito.
Martin is at 80 indeed.
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| TimoCycling |
Posted on 28-04-2014 18:21
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Aleakez wrote:
i feel at least Martin should be 80 he has shown how consitent he is, and probably downgrade Joaquim down one in Hil, Vanendert deserves at least upping his Hil by one, for Gilbert im not sure he deserves an upgrade at all.. more curious what people think of Arredondo, Slagter and Arashiro??
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 28-04-2014 18:25
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I don't think we should downgrade Purito cause he was injured, his last important races WC and Lombardia he was pretty good
Slagter 78, Arredondo 75-76, Arashiro 75
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| Jorge14 |
Posted on 28-04-2014 18:47
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Slagter 77 5Potential
Arredondo76 5Potential
Arashiro75 4Potential
I think Slagter is the best because he performed great, however Arredondo i think needs to have great endurance because he attacks very early and have good results to. |
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| alex199412 |
Posted on 01-05-2014 22:00
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i would do that:
Rodriguez: 81
Valverde:81
gilbert:81
Martin:80
Kwiatkowski:80
Gerrans:80
Vanendert 78
Slagter:78
Mollema:78
Caruso:77
Pozzovivo:77
Arredondo:76
and downgrade maybe uran, gasparotto, iglinsky......
Valverde and kwiatkovski were the both most constistent riders, but i would rate valverte a bit better because of his fleche victory. gilbert have the upper hand in stamina and acceleration to compensate against valv and purito. Gerrans showed himself in amstel and in lbl to win in the sprint aganinst valv and kwiat so maybe his sprinting could get so 73 or 74.
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 01-05-2014 22:08
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Well I have to say you almost got all of them right ;-) Out of all these only one is marginally off from what we have right now.
Edited by Alakagom on 01-05-2014 22:09
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| atlanta |
Posted on 01-05-2014 22:23
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Alakagom wrote:
Well I have to say you almost got all of them right ;-) Out of all these only one is marginally off from what we have right now.
I have a feeling it is Gerrans? I think 80 too much for him i no he won the big one but Gerrans would be able to win at least 2 classics with PCM logic. I have seen Gibert dominate MSR and AGR on 79 by attacking from far out on PCM. Gerrans with 80 would be a top 3 guy i dont see im that way myself. |
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 01-05-2014 22:25
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atlanta wrote:
Alakagom wrote:
Well I have to say you almost got all of them right ;-) Out of all these only one is marginally off from what we have right now.
I have a feeling it is Gerrans? I think 80 too much for him i no he won the big one but Gerrans would be able to win at least 2 classics with PCM logic. I have seen Gibert dominate MSR and AGR on 79 by attacking from far out on PCM. Gerrans with 80 would be a top 3 guy i dont see im that way myself.
It is indeed ;-) Well done.
Update to be released tomorrow guys.
* just noticed also only Gilbert is on 80 instead 81 *
Edited by Alakagom on 01-05-2014 22:26
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 01-05-2014 22:33
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Good job Atlanta 
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 02-05-2014 13:03
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I'm surprised that Gerrans is getting such a high hill ratings, I'd rate him about 78 but with good acceleration, sprint and endurance. He basically wheel sucks like he did in the LBL and previously when he won the MSR. A rider with good daily form with a hill of 78 would be able to do the same in game, which is really what Gerrans did when he won these two monuments.
Riders on 81 and 80 are going to dominate full stop, 79 almost but on 78 they have to ride a bit more intelligently and take their chance which is what Gerrans does.
I'd rate them as follows:
Rodriguez 81
Valverde 80
Gilbert 80
Martin 79
Kwiatkowski 79
Moreno 79
Gerrans 78
Vanendert 78
Mollema 78
Kreuziger 78
Caruso 77
Pozzovivo 77
Also the careful consideration of sprint and especially acceleration will make certain riders dangerous anyway. |
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| Faillu |
Posted on 02-05-2014 14:17
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Tafiolmo wrote:
I'm surprised that Gerrans is getting such a high hill ratings, I'd rate him about 78 but with good acceleration, sprint and endurance. He basically wheel sucks like he did in the LBL and previously when he won the MSR. A rider with good daily form with a hill of 78 would be able to do the same in game, which is really what Gerrans did when he won these two monuments.
Riders on 81 and 80 are going to dominate full stop, 79 almost but on 78 they have to ride a bit more intelligently and take their chance which is what Gerrans does.
I'd rate them as follows:
Rodriguez 81
Valverde 80
Gilbert 80
Martin 79
Kwiatkowski 79
Moreno 79
Gerrans 78
Vanendert 78
Mollema 78
Kreuziger 78
Caruso 77
Pozzovivo 77
Also the careful consideration of sprint and especially acceleration will make certain riders dangerous anyway.
I would actually agree with most of these.
They seem pretty good in my eyes. |
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 02-05-2014 14:27
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Faillu wrote:
Tafiolmo wrote:
I'm surprised that Gerrans is getting such a high hill ratings, I'd rate him about 78 but with good acceleration, sprint and endurance. He basically wheel sucks like he did in the LBL and previously when he won the MSR. A rider with good daily form with a hill of 78 would be able to do the same in game, which is really what Gerrans did when he won these two monuments.
Riders on 81 and 80 are going to dominate full stop, 79 almost but on 78 they have to ride a bit more intelligently and take their chance which is what Gerrans does.
I'd rate them as follows:
Rodriguez 81
Valverde 80
Gilbert 80
Martin 79
Kwiatkowski 79
Moreno 79
Gerrans 78
Vanendert 78
Mollema 78
Kreuziger 78
Caruso 77
Pozzovivo 77
Also the careful consideration of sprint and especially acceleration will make certain riders dangerous anyway.
I would actually agree with most of these.
They seem pretty good in my eyes.
The fact of the matter is, that there is very little difference between the main riders when it comes to the hill stat, which is why its interesting to look at acceleration, sprint and especially the endurance stats over the long races.
Edited by Tafiolmo on 02-05-2014 14:28
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 02-05-2014 14:29
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It's important to note sprint has basically no effect on hill finishes. It is only acceleration that really matters. And how much energy the rider has left of course 
Edited by Alakagom on 02-05-2014 14:29
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 02-05-2014 14:31
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Alakagom wrote:
It's important to note sprint has basically no effect on hill finishes. It is only acceleration that really matters. And how much energy the rider has left of course
On the Fleche Wallonne yes, but AG and LBL there is a flat section iwhere the sprint would come in?
Edited by Tafiolmo on 02-05-2014 14:31
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| Schleck96 |
Posted on 02-05-2014 14:36
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Tafiolmo wrote:
Alakagom wrote:
It's important to note sprint has basically no effect on hill finishes. It is only acceleration that really matters. And how much energy the rider has left of course
On the Fleche Wallonne yes, but AG and LBL there is a flat section iwhere the sprint would come in?
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