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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 27-04-2014 16:45
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't my method give Gilbert the advantage on the shorter hills (Cauberg), while the higher MO stat from Martin, Rodriguez and Valverde gives them the edge on the more mountainous climbs (Mur de Huy/LBL climbs)?
Martin was among the best today, and winner of last year, so I do think he should be there with the best.
Slagter may be too high indeed. He's young and can develop further. Still, he's shown some nice stuff this year.
Vanendert is back on a good level, his lack of explosiveness prevents him from getting a top result. But can understand 78/79.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| atlanta |
Posted on 27-04-2014 20:37
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Please dont upgrade Gerrans he does not deserves it. |
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 27-04-2014 20:38
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He got upgraded to 79HI. His ACC is still lower than nearly every other Ardennes specialist.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 27-04-2014 20:44
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Of course I'm going to agree with Ollf.
Martin 80 hill! I'm starting the campaign!
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 27-04-2014 20:45
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You don't need too. ;-)
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 27-04-2014 20:48
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Indeed, it would be a waste of time 
You're lucky there's no bike handling stat though(Gesink is lucky as well).
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 27-04-2014 20:48
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Alakagom wrote:
You don't need too. ;-)
I think I like where this is going. 
And Jesleyh, I guess I am.
Edited by baseballlover312 on 27-04-2014 20:49
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| alex valceanu |
Posted on 27-04-2014 21:16
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In my opinion
80- Gilbert , Valv , Purito , Martin
79- Kwiat,Betancur
78/79 - Nibali , Gerrans,Kreuziger
78-Vanendert,R.Costa,D.Moreno,Uran
77- Slagter,Ulissi,Gasparotto,Pozzovivo
what changes would you make ?
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 28-04-2014 06:17
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81 Gilbert (low MO, low RES and 85 ACC)
80 RodrÃguez, Martin
79 Valverde, Kwiatkowski
78 Betancur, Gerrans, Kreuziger, Moreno
77 Vanendert, Costa, Nibali, Uran
76 Slagter, Ulissi, Gasparotto, Pozzovivo
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| Cossack |
Posted on 28-04-2014 09:58
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RES isn't working in PCM 2013 anyway, maybe you meant STA
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| AndyFan |
Posted on 28-04-2014 10:29
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Mollema?? Was really strong in FW and AGR. Definitely deserves as high as Ulissi and Uran (I think higher). |
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| Selwink |
Posted on 28-04-2014 10:30
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I'd keep Mollema on 78, where he is now, with a relatively low ACC
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 28-04-2014 10:35
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And Sagan is not there, but it seems you only covered this years ardennes contenders, while likes of Contador, Sagan, Froome, Quintana, Evans, Degenkolb maybe, TVG, Talansky, Voeckler, .... should be 76+ too for sure (as i see that)
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 28-04-2014 10:39
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Rodriguez and Valv are the (only) ones on 81 atm.
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 28-04-2014 10:40
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Degenkolb shouldn't be on 76+ hil IMO, he isn't better puncheur than Cancellara.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 28-04-2014 10:48
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admirschleck wrote:
Degenkolb shouldn't be on 76+ hil IMO, he isn't better puncheur than Cancellara.
that is why i put maybe behind his name 
I see him as 74-76 hill guy, but if 81 should be max and only two riders there, 74/75 would be enough for sure for Degenkolb, same for Cancellara i think.
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 28-04-2014 10:52
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Degenkolb is weird, I always rated him good on hills, but in E3 and Ronde he struggled big time on the hills. And cobbles aren't the problem, looking at his Paris-Roubaix.
For me, there were 3 really strong: Gilbert on the shorter hills of Brabantse Pijl and Amstel Gold Race, Valverde overall pretty good and Dan Martin in LBL. Rodriguez would've been there too, so those 4 stand out for me. All 4 also had good results the last few years, so I would keep them equal.
Right below that I put Gerrans and Kwiatek, as they didn't do anything but follow and use their sprint, nothing as impressive as the others.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 28-04-2014 15:27
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Gilbert is on 80HI with high ACC and quite high STA, atm.
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 28-04-2014 15:36
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Jesleyh wrote:
Gilbert is on 80HI with high ACC and quite high STA, atm.
80HI ? I think 85 
Edited by Arberg27 on 28-04-2014 15:55
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| Cossack |
Posted on 28-04-2014 15:38
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Right below that I put Gerrans and Kwiatek, as they didn't do anything but follow and use their sprint, nothing as impressive as the others.
Kwiatek showed some good hill climbing skills on Mur de Huy.
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