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Tour de France 11 Stage 19: Modane > L'Alpe D'Huez 109km
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| rycadinho |
Posted on 22-07-2011 18:25
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SportingNonsense wrote:
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Those French riders are pissing me off, I didn't like the way Rolland raced today... Not helping his Captain in crisis and then letting Sammy doing all the work to catch Contador and then leaving both of them right before the finish! At least did Sanchez end up in polka dots, but what a stage noneless... the tour has really been amazing for the last couple of days!
It would have been more ridiculous for Rolland to throw away his young rider jersey hopes for Voeckler
Well is that an excuse for him to stay and let Sanchez do all the work when he clearly had enough in the tank to help him out? A lot of people tend to attack riders who are "wheelsucking" but if you compare Evans and Rolland, then the former looks like Jens Voigt compared to the latter.
I don't know how big a difference Rolland could had done for Voeckler, but it's not that unrealistic that Voeckler would had managed to lose less time to the favourites though we will never know now.
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| DJSirMatthew |
Posted on 22-07-2011 18:31
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I_Mayo wrote:
Pellizotti2 wrote:
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Samu needs to forget about that 8th place in GC and needs to get 30 points at Telegraph and Galibier. So he should attack early to win Polka Dot.
He'll have Vanendert on his wheel immediately if he tries.
So? Even if Vanendert will be second on both climbs, but Sacnhez 1st, Samu still will be ahead of Vanendert.
I didn't say that Vanendert was going to be second on both climbs. There is a good chance that he beats Sánchez on them. 
I can bet all my PCM$, that Sanchez will be ahead of Vanendert on first two climbs of tomorrows stage.
Ok, have to admit I was in the wrong here, respect for Sanchez for showing so much strength after a weaker day yesterday. Maybe not the smartest move bringing rolland back to contador, but then again I believe his main goal was trying to get the polka dot which he did. |
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| I_Mayo |
Posted on 22-07-2011 18:40
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Shiverson wrote:
Sanchez rode like a noob.
Contador deserved the win but Samu destroyed his opportunity.
What a friend 
Awesome punch lol:
The only noob here is you. Samu was fighting for the stage win and polka dot. He felt good, so why he shouldn't attack. To be honest in the end Samu looked better than Conta. They are friends, but this is race and in race they are competitors.
Your comment is based more on the fact that you feel disappointed rather than how Sanchez was riding. |
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| BouBBox |
Posted on 22-07-2011 18:42
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rycadinho wrote:
Those French riders are pissing me off, I didn't like the way Rolland raced today... Not helping his Captain in crisis and then letting Sammy doing all the work to catch Contador and then leaving both of them right before the finish! At least did Sanchez end up in polka dots, but what a stage noneless... the tour has really been amazing for the last couple of days!
They say on the Team Europcar website that when Voeckler was starting to loose contact, Rolland and Charteau didn't see it and when they knew both were ready to wait for him, but Thomas said if Rolland was feeling good, he should take his responsabilitys. He didn't take the choice to stay on his own, and Jerome Gautier Quemeneur + Charteau is enough.
EDIT : and by the way, the Alpe d'Huez is Rollands training place, he knows this climb by heart
Edited by BouBBox on 22-07-2011 18:45
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RIP Wouter
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| Martin_TB |
Posted on 22-07-2011 18:56
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More interesting tweets:
@mattgoss1986 Matt Goss
As a sprinter its not a nice sight to see alberto contador attack at the bottom of the first of 3 massive climbs!
@millarmind David Millar
Bernie Eisel & I formed an eternal bond today. We were off the back on our own within the first few km's of Telegraph. Seemed Game Over.
We'd each have good & bad patches. During one of my bad patches I told Bernie just to go, 'Davie, we go home together, or Paris together.'
Camaraderie transcends teams on occasions, that was one of them.
Mind you, he scared the bajesus out of me on the descent of the Galibier.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 22-07-2011 19:00
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In 2008, according to Cyclismag, Sastre did the Alpe d'Huez in 39'30", which was worth 430 W (had he weighed 70 kg). Evans group, who did 2'15" more did 403.
If Rolland did 41 (was it 40'30", or 41'30", or even 41'59"?), that puts him somewhere between 395 and 410 W.
Nothing like Riis or Pantani, nothing like Contador at the Giro (430 W) or last year, like Andy Schleck (430 W too, on such finish).
The fact that Cunego is hanging on so well in the mountains, and a lot of random riders or average climber manage to hang on or attack tends to confirm that people have been climbing much slower this year...
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 22-07-2011 20:29
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I had to go with 30 km to go, and I somehow managed to get through the rest of the day without getting the result.
Just watched the final part of the stage ... what an amazing day. Or rather: Two amazing days.
And the Tour is not even over yet. The final time trial will be extremely exciting.
Rolland? Yes, he wheel sucked, but I like the idea of a French victory on Huez. |
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| ruben |
Posted on 22-07-2011 20:34
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Now I just hope Rolland can confirm next year. Not to be the 2352353 frenchman that has 1 good tour and then falters |
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| laidbackmarc |
Posted on 22-07-2011 20:39
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Aquarius wrote:
In 2008, according to Cyclismag, Sastre did the Alpe d'Huez in 39'30", which was worth 430 W (had he weighed 70 kg). Evans group, who did 2'15" more did 403.
If Rolland did 41 (was it 40'30", or 41'30", or even 41'59"?), that puts him somewhere between 395 and 410 W.
Nothing like Riis or Pantani, nothing like Contador at the Giro (430 W) or last year, like Andy Schleck (430 W too, on such finish).
The fact that Cunego is hanging on so well in the mountains, and a lot of random riders or average climber manage to hang on or attack tends to confirm that people have been climbing much slower this year...
Hmm, I wonder why?
Another proof on this is Voeckler's amazing Tour, especially the Pyrenees were he was almost equal to the Schlecks, Evans, Contador etc.
Slow climbs at the Tour = Armstong make another comeback next year?
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| cosmic |
Posted on 22-07-2011 20:42
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I can't say I was ever Contador's biggest fan, but you can't help admire the guy's heart, doping suspension or not. Even when far off optimal form and with a hopeless starting point he goes out to try the unexpected and impossible. It's guys like this that makes cycling worth watching.
We usually have no mercy towards doping in Norway, but I actually hope Contador survives the CAS verdict now, cause Cycling really needs more GC contenders with the guts to take risks.
With that said, it's a real shame that guys like Gesink, Van den Broeck, Wiggins and Radioshack got shafted by accidents in the first week. It could really have been fireworks on every mountain stage this year with all the GC contenders in place. |
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| BouBBox |
Posted on 22-07-2011 20:46
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This is really the kind of stage you want to have on video and be able to watch it again from the 1rst km. 
I don't like Contador but I must admit he is a great champion, and he has guts. (But glad to see Andy also tried yesterday)
Team Europcar !!
RIP Wouter
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| Johan92 |
Posted on 22-07-2011 20:48
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cosmic wrote:
We usually have no mercy towards doping in Norway, but I actually hope Contador survives the CAS verdict now, cause Cycling really needs more GC contenders with the guts to take risks.
We protect our dopers just like anyone else.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 22-07-2011 22:17
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Bunch out of time limit. my opinion /all home,we GC riders must also take every race full,on the flat stages and the sprint to lose no time!
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| cosmic |
Posted on 22-07-2011 22:32
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Johan92 wrote:
cosmic wrote:
We usually have no mercy towards doping in Norway, but I actually hope Contador survives the CAS verdict now, cause Cycling really needs more GC contenders with the guts to take risks.
We protect our dopers just like anyone else.
I wouldn't say that. It's a bit crap how the press seem to present that race walking (or whatever that sport is called in english) guy as a victim, but for the most part doped athletes are strongly disliked in Scandinavia, and most people here support the idea for lifetime bans on the first offense (given that it's obvious substances have been consumed on purpose with the goal of performing better obviously). In the most dominant sports up here (primarily winter sports), athletes convicted for the use of performance enhancing drugs are often frozen out completely by both their fellow athletes and the fans.
It seems quite different in certain other countries, like Spain for instance, where you often get the impression a lot of people are more sorry that an athlete gets caught, rather than the fact that he actually cheated to begin with.
Anyhow, that's a bit of an off-topic matter. |
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| Johan92 |
Posted on 22-07-2011 22:41
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That's the problem. We say that fx Spain protect Contador and say doping is unacceptable in Norway. At the same time the media present Erik Tysse as a victim as you say when he's caught on CERA.
The impression you're talking about comes from guys like Kaggestad and Sæther, but its not the reality. The Norwegian population feel just as sorry for Erik Tysse as the Spainards does for Contador. The double standards in Norway are ridiculous at times. When Norwegians are caught positive, we feel sorry for them, when foreigners do they're criminal bastards with no moral. I guess it's like that in every country.
Edited by Johan92 on 22-07-2011 22:45
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| dakey11 |
Posted on 22-07-2011 22:43
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BouBBox wrote:
This is really the kind of stage you want to have on video and be able to watch it again from the 1rst km.
I don't like Contador but I must admit he is a great champion, and he has guts. (But glad to see Andy also tried yesterday)
was a wicked stage would have been more interesting if cadel dident have a bike problem and was with conta n andy over the 2nd climb, cadel evans once again this tour proved he is a Top GC rider and Rolland will be the future of French cycling and good to see him reaching the level that was put on his shoulders a few years ago .
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 22-07-2011 23:03
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His performances remain within human range. Not far from the limits though. But if he's clean and that the main G.C. contender find new tricks again, he'll soon vanish again, just like Voeckler, Cunego, etc.
People will just say the French are lazy cyclists that don't train hard, like we've heard all the time from 1999 to 2009 (more or less). |
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| cosmic |
Posted on 23-07-2011 02:26
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Johan92 wrote:
That's the problem. We say that fx Spain protect Contador and say doping is unacceptable in Norway. At the same time the media present Erik Tysse as a victim as you say when he's caught on CERA.
The impression you're talking about comes from guys like Kaggestad and Sæther, but its not the reality. The Norwegian population feel just as sorry for Erik Tysse as the Spainards does for Contador. The double standards in Norway are ridiculous at times. When Norwegians are caught positive, we feel sorry for them, when foreigners do they're criminal bastards with no moral. I guess it's like that in every country.
Kaggestad is little more than a TV clown these days (without disrespecting his achievments as a coach). The Tysse case is pretty much the first time I recall a doping positive has been somewhat displayed as a victim by the press (heaven knows why, as it should be quite obvious given the nature of the substance). In the past norwegians caught using performance enhancing drugs haven't exactly been welcomed back to their sports. It's a little difficult to compare though, because very few high profile norwegians have been caught using doping in recent years (besides Tysse I can't really recall anyone since various shot putters in the 80s and 90s and the idiot sprinter), but if you look back at athletes like Georg Andersen, Aham Okeke they got a pretty rough time when caught, The weight lifter guy (Grimseth?) was let go due to the fact that the supplements he'd been using contained an illegal substance that wasn't documented by the producer. |
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| mehmehmehmeh |
Posted on 23-07-2011 02:40
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I_Mayo wrote:
doddy13 wrote:
guys, I think it's fine the time limit is waved today, 15 seconds is nothing.
But still it's 15 seconds, if you're late for a train for 15 seconds, it won't wait for you.
Here if you're 15 seconds late for a train it still won't be there for another 5 minutes. |
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 23-07-2011 10:37
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Official climbing times for Alpe d'Huez: https://twitpic.com/5u6vcz
Sanchez fastest at 41'45, Rolland was 42'22
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