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TdF'13 Stage 9: Saint-Girons to Bagnères-de-Bigorre (July 7)
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| Bushwackers |
Posted on 07-07-2013 23:12
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valverde321 wrote:
Its hard to fault Thomas for riding with a broken pelvis
Kind of, but sometimes you have to make your own luck. Danny Pate consistently stays safe in races, I can't remember the last time he crashed out or was significantly injured. You can't guarantee anything of course, but I don't think you can debate that if they sent Danny Pate instead, he would have a higher chance of being healthy later in the race.
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| fosforgasXIII |
Posted on 07-07-2013 23:14
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Bushwackers wrote:
Nice to finally see some vulnerability from Sky. Too bad no one could take advantage of it. Just from a Danny Pate perspective, I'm thinking Froome wouldn't have been isolated if Sky had brought Danny Pate instead of these guys that are turning out to be utterly useless (Geraint Thomas, Kiryienka, Siutsou). Even if Danny Pate were fatigued from racing the Giro, I'm thinking he would be more useful than these disappointments. Plus Danny Pate would have been more useful in the TTT, and they probably would have won it. Not that time is an issue for Froome at this point 
Loving Quintana though too.
They performed plastic surgery (+ a diet) on Pate to let him look like Froome, no wonder no one can beat him. |
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| wogsrus |
Posted on 07-07-2013 23:20
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Michael Rodgers said that there was no point in an attack on GC today, as the last climb long way from finish, and it was a headwind run downhill... |
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| Naustratze |
Posted on 07-07-2013 23:21
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fosforgasXIII wrote:
Bushwackers wrote:
Nice to finally see some vulnerability from Sky. Too bad no one could take advantage of it. Just from a Danny Pate perspective, I'm thinking Froome wouldn't have been isolated if Sky had brought Danny Pate instead of these guys that are turning out to be utterly useless (Geraint Thomas, Kiryienka, Siutsou). Even if Danny Pate were fatigued from racing the Giro, I'm thinking he would be more useful than these disappointments. Plus Danny Pate would have been more useful in the TTT, and they probably would have won it. Not that time is an issue for Froome at this point
Loving Quintana though too.
They performed plastic surgery (+ a diet) on Pate to let him look like Froome, no wonder no one can beat him. A diet consisting of ephedrine, ephedrine and more ephedrine? |
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| wogsrus |
Posted on 07-07-2013 23:27
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Chris Froome on his teammates performance today, "Its actually nice to see that they are human". One for the conspiracy theorists... |
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 07-07-2013 23:29
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Bushwackers wrote:
valverde321 wrote:
Its hard to fault Thomas for riding with a broken pelvis
Kind of, but sometimes you have to make your own luck. Danny Pate consistently stays safe in races, I can't remember the last time he crashed out or was significantly injured. You can't guarantee anything of course, but I don't think you can debate that if they sent Danny Pate instead, he would have a higher chance of being healthy later in the race.
Going by Pro Cycling stats, Thomas went 2 years in a row without DNFing/DQing/OTLing a race. (2010 and 2011)
Thats better than Pate, who's actually still gone a year without DNFing too, but he finishes outside of the time limit a lot more than Thomas, which probably says something as well.
Plus, Sky dont need to do much chasing on the flats, without a sprinter in their team and Thomas is the stronger climber imo.
As for the others, on paper they are better climbers than Pate, but for whatever reason have not been as effective as Im sure Brailsford would have liked. In hindsight it may look smart to put Pate in the lineup ahead of the 3 you've mentioned but 9 days ago, they had the right guys imo.
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| wogsrus |
Posted on 07-07-2013 23:34
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https://app.strava...s/65474349
Laurens Ten Dams stats from the stage. 394 watts up the last climb. |
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 07-07-2013 23:34
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wogsrus wrote:
Chris Froome on his teammates performance today, "Its actually nice to see that they are human". One for the conspiracy theorists...
Is that him admitting they weren't human the other days then? 
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| FreitasPCM |
Posted on 07-07-2013 23:38
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I had forgotten about our Pate-loving guy, oh how I missed him. Though Pate might have been useful, he would have never been able to follow Froome and the group through those mountains. |
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 07-07-2013 23:40
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Thanks for the link you made a geek very happy |
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| Bushwackers |
Posted on 07-07-2013 23:49
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valverde321 wrote:
Going by Pro Cycling stats, Thomas went 2 years in a row without DNFing/DQing/OTLing a race. (2010 and 2011)
Thats better than Pate, who's actually still gone a year without DNFing too, but he finishes outside of the time limit a lot more than Thomas, which probably says something as well.
Plus, Sky dont need to do much chasing on the flats, without a sprinter in their team and Thomas is the stronger climber imo.
As for the others, on paper they are better climbers than Pate, but for whatever reason have not been as effective as Im sure Brailsford would have liked. In hindsight it may look smart to put Pate in the lineup ahead of the 3 you've mentioned but 9 days ago, they had the right guys imo.
Really, who cares about Geraint Thomas in 2010? If we compare Danny Pate with Geraint Thomas for the last 2 years (since Danny Pate has been on Sky), it looks like Thomas has abandoned 9 races, compared to Danny Pate once (in the Giro di Lombardia, along with 143 other riders). This completely destroys any notion that Thomas is more consistent than Danny Pate.
If Sky don't need to control the race on the flats, then why bring Ian Stannard and EBH? Apparently Brailsford thinks they do. Danny Pate is also more valuable than pretty much all but Richie Porte and Froome in the TTT, so there's that. Danny Pate has been in the winning TTT teams at the Giro twice and Trentino this year, and I'd guarantee that Sky would have won if Danny Pate was in the TTT team here.
Yeah they might be marginally better climbers on paper, but in my opinion Brailsford should have gone with who has proven form, and that would be Danny Pate.
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 07-07-2013 23:51
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Looking at that Strava data from Ten Dams I don't see anything to explain how Sky lost all their team over the first 2 climbs.
The first climb is done hard but not mind boggling so as is confirmed by the amount of riders that coud match the pace. Either they were collectively tired from yesterday, are sick, are over trained or perhaps they didn't bother to warm up but just rolled out of bed 10 minutes before the stage start?
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 07-07-2013 23:52
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I would have gone with Eisel
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 07-07-2013 23:55
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ianrussell wrote:
Looking at that Strava data from Ten Dams I don't see anything to explain how Sky lost all their team over the first 2 climbs.
The first climb is done hard but not mind boggling so as is confirmed by the amount of riders that coud match the pace. Either they were collectively tired from yesterday, are sick, are over trained or perhaps they didn't bother to warm up but just rolled out of bed 10 minutes before the stage start?
Ferrari assumed they overdid their turbo-training before the start
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 08-07-2013 00:27
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Spilak23 wrote:
I would have gone with Eisel
Me too. I really don't understand Sky on this one. They didn't let him leave with Cav and then they don't bring him to the Tour. What the hell
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 08-07-2013 00:32
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Bernie actually didn't want to leave Sky hence why Cav was angry with him
Would have added positioning skills, a thing Hagen and Thomas clearly lack. Plus he is a rider with a lot of influence in the peloton
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 08-07-2013 00:34
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Spilak23 wrote:
Bernie actually didn't want to leave Sky hence why Cav was angry with him
Oh, ok. I remember hearing/reading that it was Sky that really wanted him to stay, which I guess might be true as well
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| vismitananda |
Posted on 08-07-2013 01:54
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Well I guess Movistar was chasing 2nd after all. What a bad tactic.
-Pain is temporary, Quitting lasts forever-
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 08-07-2013 04:32
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Finally got a chance to see more than the final 3km
My team performance of the tour has to go to Orica GreenEDGE. They have been everywhere, and are getting results this year too.
Hesjedal is performing poorly, probably because of those sunglasses which look more like Aviators and not cycling glasses, and probably nothing to do with his broken rib. They may look good, but its against the rules
Movistar looked amazing, but apparently, Valverde "only" wants a podium, and so he might never attack Chris Froome. How lame is that. Should atleast try for the top step. If he fails to get 1st, he's still got a shot for the podium, but whatever. If Valverde only wants 2nd, they should have atleast let Quintana get ahead. Froome would have had to chase, as Sky said they fear Nairo, that would have tired Froome to let Valverde make a move for himself if Quintana doesn't get away. Edit: Well he made some minor efforts I guess
Missed opportunity, but atleast Porte was taken out of the podium picture (hopefully)
Edit: Quintana reminds me a lot of Carlos Sastre one of my favourite riders ever.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 08-07-2013 08:28
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Spilak23 wrote:
What was quite obvious during the Quintana attacks: Roman 'big gear' Kreuziger seems to have no acceleration at all. But he could very well be on his way to his best TdF result
He never had, typical tempo climber. He also let others attack without responding and just ride back to them if he still has energy. I am quite surprised by whazt he does here, i was always backing him up and hyping, but he surprises even me. 
Lets wait if he will have one bad day as always, anyway he is a top 5 candidate, it will depend also on what will Contador be in last week.
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