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| trekbmc |
Posted on 19-05-2018 10:10
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So is Jesadog mafia or town?
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| jandal7 |
Posted on 19-05-2018 10:16
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town, sorry 
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| trekbmc |
Posted on 19-05-2018 10:17
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If he's town, there are likely 4 possibilities
1. TMM is a mafia and a mafia shot Jesadog.
2. TMM is a townie and he shot Jesadog.
3. Another townie shot Jesadog.
4. TMM is a townie and a mafia shot Jesadog.
In case 1, TMM is trying to protect himself by framing himself, it sounds contradictory, but he has the perfect defence - "the mafia is just framing me!" in that case however, why didn't he shoot me? I was the first to call him out.
In case 2, TMM still has a gun (I'd bet on the gunsmith being a first timer ) and he shot Jesadog, but I can understand it, he called him out so that makes him suspicious in his eyes, a little rash maybe, but today was the day to shoot anyway.
In case 3, a townie saw the jesadog was suspicious and shot him, that's not altogether unlikely, would have nothing to do with TMM in that case and give us no lead to whether he is mafia or town.
Case 4 seems the least likely to me, but I guess a mafia could've decided to frame TMM.
If Jesadog is a mafia though, then the shooter was definitely a townie.
I'm not sure whether this means I think TMM is more or less likely to be town, but I think it's a mark against hillis' name that he jumped on the lynch train straight away.
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| hillis91 |
Posted on 19-05-2018 15:46
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Yeah, that might have been a bit hasty. But at the same time, you said it yourself:
trekbmc wrote:
Alright, so in response to bikex, I've kinda just been struggling to be as active as I would like, school was in a peak time for me and I was also working on RCS, so maybe I should not have signed up, anyway I have.
You call my behaviour incoherent - and yes, it totally is. But it's also exactly the same as last game, I know we have to lynch somebody, I just have no idea who and don't fight the tide that's going because I really have no idea. Honestly this seems like it'll be a repeat of last game if we continue down this path.
We have 6 players alive now so we should not lynch today (4 vs. 2, if we mislynch we lose at this point, but if we wait a night than it's 3 vs. 2 and we have a better chance at catching a mafia). The only exception is if somebody is planning to fire a gun today, in which case we should lynch today.
If you want my opinion, I vaguely believe that bikex is clean, I'd say I'm most suspect of TMM because he's playing better than usual (which is contradictory, but it's outside of normal behaviour), as for hillis, jesadog, Marco...I don't know but I'll think about it more properly and read this thread and last year's thread again.
Now we are 3 versus 2. We need to get this right. I just got a feeling towards TMM. It looks right. But at the same time, he might be getting set up. There still is time, so i'll leave my vote for now.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 19-05-2018 19:23
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Hands up, i totally shot jseadog. When he shifted focus around to df_trek i was suspicious, and i was going to set-up a proper argument to lynch. Then jdog beat me to the first post, so my argument would come off as defensive and probably wouldn't end well for anyone.
So i shot him. Saved a lot of time and effort
But, don't kill me. I'm a Mason, along with Marcovdw. And we actually agreed jdog was suspicious and we would work to lynch him, but as i had a gun it made sense to speed things up and just shoot him. Especially as time was running out and there was a high chance i wouldn't get a chance to use the gun.
We thought he was mafia, we both got that wrong.
All this leaves trek, hillis and Bikex.
BBL cast some doubts on Hillis and died, which puts Hillis in a bad light. And he ran straight onto the Lynch train before i killed anyone.
Lynch Hillis91. Killing BBL makes him suspicious after bbl shows doubts. Moving instantly to Lynch me, with jdog, is bad when not lynching anyone would have extended the game by a day. (put those two moves together and you can see why i shot jdog when pushed)
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| Marcovdw |
Posted on 19-05-2018 19:37
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I can confirm that TMM and I are the Masons and that he used his gun to kill jseadog1.
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| hillis91 |
Posted on 19-05-2018 22:39
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Then i totally got it wrong, and as usual i jumped to conclusions. But like i said in my last post, i reserved the right to go back, as im not sure at all.
But i do belive however TMM and Marco.
Theirfor, i'll like to change my vote to No Lynch, for now.
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| trekbmc |
Posted on 19-05-2018 23:01
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So that means that (from my point of view, of course this will be different from the point of view of other players) either TMM and Marco are both mafia or bikex and hillis are both mafia and we have to figure out which today or we lose - high stakes!
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| hillis91 |
Posted on 19-05-2018 23:52
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This makes it more clear to me at least. Like i said, i belive the masons at this point. I do also belive that they shot the wrong guy.
Theirfor.
Lynch trekbmc
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| Bikex |
Posted on 20-05-2018 13:04
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Sorry again for being barely active. I see a lot has happened since I last checked. At least the last posts give me 100% certainty on who is in the mafia: TMM and Marco
I know it looks really bad on me claiming this now but I am one of the masons. The other one was baseballlover. I know I have no way to prove that.
If that wasn’t the case I probably would have believed Marco and TMM, so @hillis and @trekbmc I can see why you would have a hard time believing me. Them claiming this first gives them more credibility.
From their point of view it’s not a bad choice of tactics to claim to be the masons. They would only need to convince one of the other 3 to win the game instantly. Even if a mason is still alive together they have the higher credibility.
But on the other hand, think about it what are the odds of both masons still being alive in 3 townies.
I think if they hadn’t made this claim TMM would probably have been lynched this round, so they had to do something.
They chose to use their gun on a suspicious player due to the chance of the shooter being revealed. Killing jseadog could’ve been justified from a townie point of view. Also by picking him they removed someone who already had a firm opinion on TMM.
@trekbmc: I have seen you kind of trust me, so I ask you to follow your gut and help taking down the mafia. Tbh if the day hadn’t turned out the way it did you would’ve been one of my main suspects, but I can gladly say now that I know you are not a mafia member!
@hillis: I have not really understood your agenda in this game but now knowing what I do, you also definitely are not a member of the mafia. And looking back at it now I’m sure if you were you would not have been so active in the thread. From your point of view it is logical to turn against trekbmc (and me), but it is the wrong way.
Both of you have to consider, if I was a mafia member it would be smarter for me to lean back at this point and wait. I’m quite sure Marco and TMM would move against me not only after hillis but also after trekbmc considering his argument with TMM in the beginning of the game. I don’t have any reason to lie about my role!
Also TMMs reason for lynching hillis is baseballlover’s killing. Apparently he wanted to move against hillis. I know for a fact that was not the case. There is also nothing in this thread to suggest that. This is a completely made up reason.
Following this I vote to lynch TMM
I hope he is not the terrorist, but either way we still have 2 lynches. Last game I failed to make my point in the end which almost costed us the win. I hope this time I do not and the town wins! Hillis and Trekbmc it is up to you!
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| trekbmc |
Posted on 20-05-2018 13:42
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Damn, I hate being put in a position like this, happens almost every game to me it seems.
I don't know if jandal will allow this, but is it possible for you guys to post your mason discussions? At the very least a snippet of them or a synopsis of them (sure that will be allowed at least)?
Also, bikex, why did you call out BBL earlier, if you were a mason with him?
I know which way I am leaning, but I want to be more sure first (though it did almost cost us the game me leaving it until close to the deadline last time  )
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| Marcovdw |
Posted on 20-05-2018 14:47
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Even before Bikex's post I would vote to lynch Bikex due to Hillis's lynching attempt. Either hillis is Mafia and he lynches the only other townie trekbmc, in which case hillis and Bikex are mafia, or the townie hillis lynches mafia trekbmc, in which case trekbmc and Bikex are mafia. Bikex is the common mafiosi in these two situations and I consider it unlikely a mafia would lynch the other mafia in this situation, and a townie lynching a townie is mathmatically impossible.
And why would both of the remaining Mafia members claim to be masons? If one of us happened to get lynched today the town immediately knows who the other member of the mafia is and it's game over. It is far more convenient to have one of the mafia members claim masonship together with one of the people who were already killed, which provides a cover for the other mafia member in case their plan goes wrong.
So in conclusion I obviously vote lynch Bikex and I'm sure TMM will follow me. I hope the above has convinced the other townie, whether it is hillis or trekbmc, to follow us.
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| hillis91 |
Posted on 20-05-2018 17:35
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The town having 60% chance of winning now, this lynch has the game in the balance.
Theirfor, im torn now, but still leaning towards Marco and TMM's version. Which would mean that Bikex and trekbmc are mafia.
So i need to know a couple of things:
@bikex: Why did you not make the claim earlier? You look like a mobster on the run making the claim after they did? Also, why did you and baseballlover not vote together and coordinated?
@marco/@tmm: If you guys are masons(pro-town), why did you(tmm) lead the town into so many wrong lynches troughout the game?
@bikex @marco @tmm: I'd also like to see some content from your mason convo.
It seems like I’ll be the one deciding about the towns fate
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| Bikex |
Posted on 20-05-2018 19:21
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@Marco: Your post is terrible and revealing to me. In parts it’s insulting our intelligence.
Even before Bikex's post I would vote to lynch Bikex due to Hillis's lynching attempt. Either hillis is Mafia and he lynches the only other townie trekbmc, in which case hillis and Bikex are mafia, or the townie hillis lynches mafia trekbmc, in which case trekbmc and Bikex are mafia. Bikex is the common mafiosi in these two situations and I consider it unlikely a mafia would lynch the other mafia in this situatio
Of course you wanted to lynch me already before.. then why didn’t you? That’s the first time I see you pointing at me. It’s not smart to come up with such a claim now.
Your reasoning is very flawed. Hypothetically if you were right and hillis is mafia he was already a dying man if only one of us other two would have joined in. A vote on a fellow mafia to help him later would be very much possible. But in any case that doesn’t matter as both of them are townies. But coming up with terrible logic doesn’t speak for you.
And why would both of the remaining Mafia members claim to be masons? If one of us happened to get lynched today the town immediately knows who the other member of the mafia is and it's game over. It is far more convenient to have one of the mafia members claim masonship together with one of the people who were already killed, which provides a cover for the other mafia member in case their plan goes wrong.
I’m not entirely sure why they would, but they did. Like said before you would only need one person to believe you. Even with a mason or both(rather unlikely) alive the chances are quite high. A second mason claim usually looks worse. I’m quite sure if you haven’t done so TMM would probably have been lynched today after jseadog was killed, so your chances weren’t so high anymore.
I wouldn’t have claimed if my role would not have been claimed by others. I’d say in this situation it is more convenient to have two masons claim, as if they are proven wrong it’s too late. I know it doesn’t reflect well on me to claim mason, but what choice did I have?
@trekbmc: I have never called out bbl. I have only mentioned him once in my posts. I wanted to animate the discussion. I asked all to say something, I mentioned the ones who haven’t talked which were bbl and you. I was especially eager to hear from you like stated there.
@hillis: I know what it looks like, I specifically said that in my post. It’s not like there was much voting we could’ve coordinated. If the day hadn’t ended so early I would also have voted df_trek.
Guys please put yourself in my position if I was mafia. Afaik I was not suspected once in this thread so doing a risky move like this would be borderline stupid. Also wouldn’t it have been smarter to pick someone who died very early as second mason? There is really no good reason why I would reveal myself like this if I was mafia. I hope you can see that hillis and trekbmc.
Regarding our conversation there is not extremely much to say, as we both weren’t so active there. We were very uncertain about who could be a mafia member. Our first guess was hillis, but then df_trek acted the way he did, which also looked to us like he was mafia. We (or at least I) believed jseadog had a town power role. We also discussed if we should reveal ourself as masons at some point, but since none of us was suspected at any time that was not necessary. That’s about it, hope it helps.
@Trekbmc and hillis: It’s up to you now I have the disadvantage of having to convince the two of you. One wouldn’t be enough like it would be for the other two, so please think carefully about this. Also look at the odds, it’s extremely unlikely both masons are still alive (<10%). |
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| Marcovdw |
Posted on 20-05-2018 19:51
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Well, since we're calling each other out on intelligence and reasoning, I want to remind you that you fell right for our trap. Of course one of the Mafia would do a counterclaim to Mafia, if I were you I would've done the same, and I don't think I ever questioned your intelligence, so I don't know where that sudden accusation comes from. Now TMM and I know at least one of the remaining Mafia and we are confident that we can build a stronger case against you to convince the other townie. As for my flawed reasoning, tell me where the problem is. Knowing from my standpoint TMM and I are town, hillis can either be mafia or town. If he's town then then you and trekbmc are the mafia because there are no other options mathmatically. If hillis is Mafia he must've lynched the townie because no sane (no disrespect if you want to go into that area again) mafia would lynch one of themselves, knowing TMM and I will always vote for the same person and possibly even the other townie. So there's a big chance one of you would die today, and the game moves on another night/day. You would win if a townie is lynched today, and you only need to convince one person (and you exactly know who that is) that TMM and I are lying.
The reason I didn't lynch you yet (as I had been online after hillis91's post and before yours, as you correctly spotted) is because I was waiting for you to speak out. Had I already lynched you we would've had a different conversation. Sure you would've still claimed to be mason but I wanted to see what story you'd spin around it instead of immediately going into defending/attacking mode against lynching attempt. And maybe I was hoping the other mafia member would do something in the meantime which couldn't add up knowing what I know so I'd have two birds with one stone.
@hillis91/trekbmc: I don't think I can actually release screenshots/direct quotes from our mason discussion but I think I'm allowed to give you a general overview of our mutual gameplay. I knew TMM was innocent so I never pointed a finger at him when he was accused in the early stages, but there wasn't actually any real conversation until the start of this day (in-game time). I want to add that I was doubting between jseadog1 and df_Trek to lynch the day before, but because TMM went with df_Trek I silently followed him. Unfortunately we were wrong. Then TMM PM'ed me asking for help, saying he had a gun and that he was very suspicious of jseadog. I also had suspicions of jseadog and, as trekbmc also suggested in the thread, it would be best to fire a gun today. So we did, and jseadog1 was our target, which TMM perfectly explained why that (to us at least) looked like a reasonable decision. Unfortunately we were wrong. After that I suggested that we should reveal our masonship to the world since I thought it would be very likely that TMM would be lynched (the first vote had already gone to him), and that brings us right here right now. Since TMM hasn't been online since Bikex's reveal we haven't discussed that yet.
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| jandal7 |
Posted on 20-05-2018 20:22
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No posting of mason conversations allowed. 2h left
24/02/21 - kandesbunzler said “I don't drink famous people."
15/08/22 - SotD said "Your [jandal's] humour is overrated"
11/06/24 - knockout said "Winning is fine I guess. Truth be told this felt completely unimportant."
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| jandal7 |
Posted on 20-05-2018 20:48
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Synopsis is allowed, just no verifiable proof.
24/02/21 - kandesbunzler said “I don't drink famous people."
15/08/22 - SotD said "Your [jandal's] humour is overrated"
11/06/24 - knockout said "Winning is fine I guess. Truth be told this felt completely unimportant."
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| trekbmc |
Posted on 20-05-2018 22:28
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So the result is in my hands with no Tom left to think about it and honestly, I have no clue, either bikex and Hillis are mad or TMM and Marco
Ah, Lynch TMM 
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| Marcovdw |
Posted on 20-05-2018 22:31
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So unless hillis and TMM both come online in the next twenty minutes and vote for Bikex, it's game over.
Congratulations mafia.
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| trekbmc |
Posted on 20-05-2018 22:41
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Well here’s what I don’t get, why wouldn’t the two mafia vote for the same player? TMM is voting for hillis, bikex is voting for TMM, Marco is voting for bikex and hillis is voting for me. If mafia just used their two votes together they could’ve won.
Impossible to read who mafia is with just 6 pages, my strongest line of logic is, TMM played differently to usual and that is flawed too. :/
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