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Le Tour de France 2016 | Stage 2 Saint-Lô -> Cherbourg
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 03-07-2016 16:57
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Paul23 wrote:
The Schleck Fan wrote:
Paul23 wrote:
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Kirchen_75 wrote:
Contador with one leg is still better for GC than Kreuziger in a Grand Tour. Kreuz will fail as well but Conta has 0 chance of win which means Conta should abandon
I hope one of the Astana duo wins now
Well, the Astana duo has no chance of winning against Froome/Quintana. I think they should abandon. Contador with today showing won't even hit top 10.He will lose minutes on Le Lioran.Also Aru is here for podium while Nibali is here for stage wins.
So in short the trolling attempt by you was unsuccessful
You can't tell me, that Aru/Nibali are not here, to try to win the Tour.
Also Contador crashed twice today.
what? Do you guys watching your first GT? You deciding podium after first speed pump?
Heck..Giro just ended 5 weeks ago..didn't you learned anything from there?
Edited by Guido Mukk on 03-07-2016 17:01
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| matt17br |
Posted on 03-07-2016 16:59
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Contador is not the kind of lad to retire after losing 50 seconds in the second stage...
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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 03-07-2016 17:01
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Guido Mukk wrote:
Paul23 wrote:
The Schleck Fan wrote:
Paul23 wrote:
The Schleck Fan wrote:
Kirchen_75 wrote:
Contador with one leg is still better for GC than Kreuziger in a Grand Tour. Kreuz will fail as well but Conta has 0 chance of win which means Conta should abandon
I hope one of the Astana duo wins now
Well, the Astana duo has no chance of winning against Froome/Quintana. I think they should abandon. Contador with today showing won't even hit top 10.He will lose minutes on Le Lioran.Also Aru is here for podium while Nibali is here for stage wins.
So in short the trolling attempt by you was unsuccessful
You can't tell me, that Aru/Nibali are not here, to try to win the Tour.
Also Contador crashed twice today.
what? Do you guys watching your first GT? You deciding podium after first speed pump?
Heck..Giro just ended 5 weeks ago..didn't you learned anything from there?
This. So much this. |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 03-07-2016 17:08
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Dreaming about what, Kreuziger being leader or top5 material? No, if you would not be so blind all the time, i have stated several times, that i am not fan of Kreuziger at all.
I am just realistic and he was already better in 2013 and should have been the leader there. Contador is past his prime, simple as that...
As far as my fan dreams are concerned, one of them became reality today. 
And yeah, this is just 2nd stage, but Contador is done, at least for the win. 
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| dacolik |
Posted on 03-07-2016 17:10
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Contador is pretty much there if he doesn't lose more time on stage 5 but he'll probably recover till' then. |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 03-07-2016 17:23
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Dreaming about what, Kreuziger being leader or top5 material? No, if you would not be so blind all the time, i have stated several times, that i am not fan of Kreuziger at all.
I am just realistic and he was already better in 2013 and should have been the leader there. Contador is past his prime, simple as that...
As far as my fan dreams are concerned, one of them became reality today.
And yeah, this is just 2nd stage, but Contador is done, at least for the win.
You are Kreuziger supporter..always had been. No blame for that..it is natural.
2013..yes. Bertie had motivation problems. But 2014, 2015 he was great. Of corse this is not 2009 Bertie ..but possible good enough to challenge Froome-Quintana duo.
Tinkoff has more ambition ..he wont start aiming top 8 place at tour. If Contador will abandon (he wont)..then all team will be behind Sagan and Kreuziger,..or some other guy will get a free role. Like Kreuziger helped Sagan today.
At the end..Contador is not done! He prepared for tour..beside he's hall of fame guy, he is still is at least top 3 rider...with some luck also Tour winner candidate.
Edited by Guido Mukk on 03-07-2016 17:25
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 03-07-2016 17:23
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Have always said (since 2010) that Contador can become 4-5. I think he still
can become 4-5, because I had taken his skills to crash down with in the prophecy. |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 03-07-2016 17:28
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Sagan on 80% for some points, didn't even realize he was sprinting for the win 
Alaphilippe giving everything, pissed as he crossed the line. Sagan just freewheeling it. What a World Champion! |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 03-07-2016 17:30
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Arberg27 wrote:
Have always said (since 2010) that Contador can become 4-5. I think he still
can become 4-5, because I had taken his skills to crash down with in the prophecy.
yeaah good prediction. After he's ban he has just won 3 GT (and one of them was Froome mock at Vuelta) and several 1 week tours . What a lame performance, useless rider we got there? |
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| sylvao |
Posted on 03-07-2016 17:37
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Yes, J.Alaphilippe was close to win, this kind of stage was perfect for him. He will not have many other chances in this Tour, maybe stage 5 with many hills before the finish.
Sagan still incredible. I thought he launched sprint too early but he had second resources to jump Alaphilippe. |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 03-07-2016 17:38
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Ian Butler wrote:
Sagan on 80% for some points, didn't even realize he was sprinting for the win
Alaphilippe giving everything, pissed as he crossed the line. Sagan just freewheeling it. What a World Champion!
Sagan is beast and cycling rockstar..sometimes it looks unfair that to watch power what than man can great true full year...rare talent. |
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| Shonak |
Posted on 03-07-2016 17:39
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Nice ome for Sagan, happy for Avin too.. and my velogames team.
Well road rash put him down, Contador is a fighter tho and I'm sure he will try. Too much whining and malicious joy tho
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 03-07-2016 17:42
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Guido, the Tour is waaay differently. Here you have the 2 best GT's rider at the moment, you don't have Kruijswijk in 1st place and Chaves in 2nd, largely unknown quantities in those situations. Quintana and Froome aren't, Quintana is a killer, Froome has taken the jersey on the first MTF in 13 and 15 and kept it.
Different scenario, could happen, but its not likely. |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 03-07-2016 17:48
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Riis123 wrote:
Guido, the Tour is waaay differently. Here you have the 2 best GT's rider at the moment, you don't have Kruijswijk in 1st place and Chaves in 2nd, largely unknown quantities in those situations. Quintana and Froome aren't, Quintana is a killer, Froome has taken the jersey on the first MTF in 13 and 15 and kept it.
Different scenario, could happen, but its not likely.
It is still 3 week GT..and 3week mountains will decide a winner. Give me some bad weather days..few more road rash crashes. And overall situation can be changed.
Like 2015 ..90% was sure that it will be so easy for Froomy, but Quintana came that close. This year Nairo will be even stronger..and Bertie is focusing for tour. We will see Aru later..all fun ahead. |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 03-07-2016 17:53
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Guido Mukk wrote:
You are Kreuziger supporter..always had been. No blame for that..it is natural.
2013..yes. Bertie had motivation problems. But 2014, 2015 he was great. Of corse this is not 2009 Bertie ..but possible good enough to challenge Froome-Quintana duo.
Tinkoff has more ambition ..he wont start aiming top 8 place at tour. If Contador will abandon (he wont)..then all team will be behind Sagan and Kreuziger,..or some other guy will get a free role. Like Kreuziger helped Sagan today.
At the end..Contador is not done! He prepared for tour..beside he's hall of fame guy, he is still is at least top 3 rider...with some luck also Tour winner candidate.
I was indeed, in the end he was the "star" czech cycling missed for decades. But he really totally lost me with several things. His work for Vino at Olympic games, his doping case, where he was not able to admit that he has done wrong and regret it. He is also incredibly "cold" to the fans and never was open about his career on his site or other sources. So he lost me and i dont support him for quite some years now, i cant.
I can respect him as the perfect teammate though and above average GT rider of his generation.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 03-07-2016 17:58
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Guido Mukk wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
Guido, the Tour is waaay differently. Here you have the 2 best GT's rider at the moment, you don't have Kruijswijk in 1st place and Chaves in 2nd, largely unknown quantities in those situations. Quintana and Froome aren't, Quintana is a killer, Froome has taken the jersey on the first MTF in 13 and 15 and kept it.
Different scenario, could happen, but its not likely.
It is still 3 week GT..and 3week mountains will decide a winner. Give me some bad weather days..few more road rash crashes. And overall situation can be changed.
Like 2015 ..90% was sure that it will be so easy for Froomy, but Quintana came that close. This year Nairo will be even stronger..and Bertie is focusing for tour. We will see Aru later..all fun ahead.
Nobody bar the biggest troll here says that race is over after day2. Just that Contador is in some serious troubles and for me, i cant see him closing almost a minute on riders, who were already bigger favourites on same terms, Quintana and Froome. But yeah, they can crash too ofc.
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 03-07-2016 18:04
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Guido Mukk wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
Guido, the Tour is waaay differently. Here you have the 2 best GT's rider at the moment, you don't have Kruijswijk in 1st place and Chaves in 2nd, largely unknown quantities in those situations. Quintana and Froome aren't, Quintana is a killer, Froome has taken the jersey on the first MTF in 13 and 15 and kept it.
Different scenario, could happen, but its not likely.
It is still 3 week GT..and 3week mountains will decide a winner. Give me some bad weather days..few more road rash crashes. And overall situation can be changed.
Like 2015 ..90% was sure that it will be so easy for Froomy, but Quintana came that close. This year Nairo will be even stronger..and Bertie is focusing for tour. We will see Aru later..all fun ahead.
Im saying much should go wrong not to the the very predictable Quintana v Froome duel, pretty much only crashes. |
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 03-07-2016 18:09
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Guido Mukk wrote:
Arberg27 wrote:
Have always said (since 2010) that Contador can become 4-5. I think he still
can become 4-5, because I had taken his skills to crash down with in the prophecy.
yeaah good prediction. After he's ban he has just won 3 GT (and one of them was Froome mock at Vuelta) and several 1 week tours . What a lame performance, useless rider we got there?
I never said that he can not win races on the lower level
Like Gatlin (also former doping convicted, who won the Olympic Games and World Championships before his doping suspension) can win many races..
But in Olympic Games and World Championships he can not beat Bolt |
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| Tamijo |
Posted on 03-07-2016 18:09
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Sagan Sagan and Sagan, nothing more to say.
When you are able to be a top 3 on yesterday's sprinter stage, and win today's puncher stage, that is 
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 03-07-2016 18:14
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Riis123 wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
Guido, the Tour is waaay differently. Here you have the 2 best GT's rider at the moment, you don't have Kruijswijk in 1st place and Chaves in 2nd, largely unknown quantities in those situations. Quintana and Froome aren't, Quintana is a killer, Froome has taken the jersey on the first MTF in 13 and 15 and kept it.
Different scenario, could happen, but its not likely.
It is still 3 week GT..and 3week mountains will decide a winner. Give me some bad weather days..few more road rash crashes. And overall situation can be changed.
Like 2015 ..90% was sure that it will be so easy for Froomy, but Quintana came that close. This year Nairo will be even stronger..and Bertie is focusing for tour. We will see Aru later..all fun ahead.
Im saying much should go wrong not to the the very predictable Quintana v Froome duel, pretty much only crashes.
I was expecting Froome-Quintana-Bertie ...let's hope Bertie will recover. |
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